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Originally posted by kossack agreed, and i am aware of that. but becoming a pope requires adherence to strict guidelines and certain criteria to be met with regards to background. there were many other worthy candidates

No, everyone was in it.

What part of "compulsary" don't you understand?

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Originally posted by NiteMer The Catholic Church is a business. That's my whole problem with Catholicism. It's not about God, it's about money and power. People don't go to Church because they want to, they go because they feel obligated or for tradition. Over the past many centuries the Catholic Church has performed many abominations, casting a poor light on Christianity as a whole. I believe there are many Catholics that are good Christians, but the overall message is corrupted by the Church. Indulgences, the Crusades, etc, etc... In Matthew, Jesus states that you cannot serve both money and God. I'm not trying to judge, by any means, but it seems like the Catholic Church is trying to straddle the fence on this one. The pope is a man, just like any other. Why is he so revered? Where does the bible say there should be a pope, or that one man should be considered higher than any others? Many of the policies of the Vatican aren't backed one iota by the Bible. I just don't get it.

Then why does the Church currently face a cash flow problem?

Other than the Sistine CHapel and other works of precious art, what assets does the Church own?

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Originally posted by Dervish I do see it as a missed opertunity though, a non white pope would have brought the world forward.

Just as a curiosity, how, exactly, would a colored pope be more fit to lead the church than a white one?

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Originally posted by fuct4less Just as a curiosity, how, exactly, would a colored pope be more fit to lead the church than a white one?

i think they're referring to the idea of a non-european pope. someone in that position of power that, for example, was black...very future forward

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Originally posted by dj_bas i think they're referring to the idea of a non-european pope. someone in that position of power that, for example, was black...very future forward

I still don't see how one's color directly effects such things. I can understand a difference in leadership policies due to regional influence, but race really shouldn't come into play here; or anywhere, for that matter.

true diversity is shown by the color of your skin didnt you know that! lol

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Originally posted by tribu He can never be President though.

"But if we change the constitution, then we can make all kinds of crazy laws!"









First person to get the reference wins a biscuit.

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Originally posted by dj_bas i think they're referring to the idea of a non-european pope. someone in that position of power that, for example, was black...very future forward

more then half of today's catholic population is from africa and latin america so they better have a latino or black pope soon or its just another example of the white man keeping the colored down

Is it me or does the new Pope look like Palpatine?

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Originally posted by TigerClaw Is it me or does the new Pope look like Palpatine?

Lol

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Then why does the Church currently face a cash flow problem? Other than the Sistine CHapel and other works of precious art, what assets does the Church own?

The Vatican is one of the worlds largest land owners. Most of that land is actually used for church facilities but it must be counted as an asset. Additionally, the Vatican owns or has controling interest in a number of large international holding companies. The reason that the church has a cash flow problem is because the church and its activities are part of the Vatican Holy See which runs a $15 million (US) or so a year deficit. The secular/business activities of the church are controled by The Vatican Bank which is part of other arm of the Vatican Holy (something I cannot recall).

Have you ever been to the Vatican? If you have been you cannot deny that they are wealthy beyond belief. There is a six foot diameter ball of Gold sitting in a courtyard.... having some cash flow problems.... cut a little bit of that off.

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Originally posted by TheAddict [IMG]http://bedlam.dreamwater.org/nazipoop.jpg[IMG]

This is so wrong.... but I did laugh

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Originally posted by TigerClaw Is it me or does the new Pope look like Palpatine?

was thinking hte sam e thing

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Originally posted by beats and beeps Yeah, good job. Take a man much older, and talk about what he did in an extremely difficult time at a very young age, and you're going to tell him he shouldnt be pope? Meanwhile you have people with extremely fucked up pasts such as george bush and arnold and god knows who else with extremely powerful positions in your country.

hehe, i am by no means advocating those characters. i don't even want to START a thread on the likes of uncle sam's fearless leader.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 that would be hilarious, a jewish war hero pope I pretty much expected it would be an old white guy with a name taken from history. I'm not trying to say I'm a Nazi, but if they controlled my country and I wanted to have a prosperous future, I would join the youth organization too. I mean, if you want to get ahead you gotta be where all the money and power is, that and I wouldnt wanna be excluded from society by not joining. I'm glad I dont have to worry about making that decision today, its good that being a dirty raver is almost acceptable

point taken. if you want to get ahead, you gotta be where the money and power is. (provided self-interest is your primary motivation). but if you perceive that which is wrong and immoral as being where the money and power is, at what point to you give up morals and ethical behaviour for self-interested advancement?

the pope is supposed to be the holiest most revered position in the (christian) church. regardless of what was 'required' at the time, if the pope is truly the epitomy of all that is good and moral, shouldn't he have made the choice long ago not to join the hitler youth?

i don't want to disqualify the fact that he is much older and has probably changed his views etc. etc., forgiveness is indeed a virtue, but it all comes down to politics too. i still think the establishment could have chosen a pope that would more fairly represent the masses in the third world... many of whom are far more faithful than those in the first world. such a pope could offer genuine change and hope for that (very large) portion of humanity.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard The Vatican is one of the worlds largest land owners. Most of that land is actually used for church facilities but it must be counted as an asset. Additionally, the Vatican owns or has controling interest in a number of large international holding companies. The reason that the church has a cash flow problem is because the church and its activities are part of the Vatican Holy See which runs a $15 million (US) or so a year deficit. The secular/business activities of the church are controled by The Vatican Bank which is part of other arm of the Vatican Holy (something I cannot recall). Have you ever been to the Vatican? If you have been you cannot deny that they are wealthy beyond belief. There is a six foot diameter ball of Gold sitting in a courtyard.... having some cash flow problems.... cut a little bit of that off.

Thank you. If they didn't live so excessively, they wouldn't have cash flow issues.

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Originally posted by NiteMer Thank you. If they didn't live so excessively, they wouldn't have cash flow issues.

There is no cash flow problems.... Yes, The Holy See has a deficit, however, that is only one half of the Vatican itself. The other half of the Vatican (the temporal half) makes hundreds of billions of dollars a year through donation and business operations... Hell, the Vatican bank deposited over a billion dollars in donations from Italy alone last year.... The Holy See yearly operating expenses are approximately $260 million. Where is the cash flow problem?

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Then why does the Church currently face a cash flow problem? Other than the Sistine CHapel and other works of precious art, what assets does the Church own?

that's cause they've had to sell them all to cover legal costs.

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the pope is supposed to be the holiest most revered position in the (christian) church. regardless of what was 'required' at the time, if the pope is truly the epitomy of all that is good and moral, shouldn't he have made the choice long ago not to join the hitler youth?

Well, since you were forced into the hitler youth, and since he wasn't supposed to/not supposed to be "all that is good and moral" before he was elected pope, I think it's fine that he did that.

You ask me and I think someone who has been the top theoligical(sp) advisor for pope john paul II for over 20 years is more than qualified to represent the catholic church and be elected the next pope. Now that he is elected pope, it does not mean that the church stands behind everything he does when it comes to morals, hes just as human now as he was before, the only difference is he is now infalible, wich means that anything relating to the church on faith and morals are now guided by the holy spirit through him, so he can't do wrong in those aspects.

Let's not forget that Hitler was Time Magazine's Man of the Year twice. He was the darling of the Republicans, and much of his racial policy was based on the American pseudo-science of eugenics. Anti-semetism was just par for the course in the western world of that era. Hitler tried to ship the jews out, but not one country in the world would take them. That's why everyone was so keen to create Israel - everyone had blood on their hands. The nazi atrocities just rubbed their noses in it. The world has changed since them, and it's inappropriate to judge people of past eras by present PC values.

The Catholic Church owns large swathes of real estate in the CBD's of most major cities in the western world. And not just churches - they're major property developers, and own and run office towers, apartment buildings, car parks, malls, etc., in addition to churches, hospitals and retirement homes.

Cash flow shouldn't be confused with wealth. The US has been running at a paper loss for a while now - when one includes borrowings by states to make up for being shorted by the feds (to hide part of the deficit), US foreign debt is around 15 trillion dollars. However, most of that is just taxpayer's money that has been syphoned off to big business - or anti-socialism, if you will. On paper, the US appears to be deep in the poo, but in reality the rich have never been richer. Killing has always been good for business. Blowing up a country's infrastructure and making them pay you to rebuild it (at a non-negotiable, no-bid rate that you set) is probably the most profitable industry ever conceived. Bleeding the taxpayers of the aggressor country is just gravy.

The Catholic Church was the world's first multinational corporation and is still the biggest and wealthiest. No other organisation even approaches a similar order of magnitude when it comes to net worth. Still, they could take lessons from the Yanks. How about privatising churches and using contractors to replace priests and nuns? It would save them a fortune in out-of-court payments to the many millions of raped children amongst ther flock. And no one is making money from penances. Where did the pope get his MBA? A Halliburton-run church could institute fines and incarceration at company..er..I mean 'church' owned 'retreats' to replace hail-marys and hows-your-fathers, prosecute a War on Sin with an Army of God (privatised and with immunity to prosecution for war crimes, of course). They'd be rolling in it in no time.

America can even be blamed for not taking shipments of jews from hilter, you know you learn something new every day!

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