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Originally posted by Blue. The people who get made fun of are the ones who are way off base ie. "DJ Sami and Lasgo are techno"

Lol yeah, or people who say, "There is hardly a big difference between what dj sammy produces and guys like corsten etc."

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Originally posted by Cobalt While it doesn't rival Heaven, I always thought Honey was a piece of cheddar.

billy ray martin - honey (chicane club mix) is one of the greatest tracks produced by chicane ever in my book...if u thought this was cheddar would u think a song like anomaly - calling your name is cheddar? it seems like songs with long drawn out vocals are usually the ones considered cheese.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 alright, play DJ Tiesto - Honey side by side with DJ Sammy - Heaven and see if you can not tell the point he is getting at. the thing about these types of arguments, is that both sides put up blinders to their opponent's debate, both ideas are valid, its not a black and white one versus the other type of thing though. But that fucking honey song, one could almost call it worse than sammy, it has maybe like 3 notes over and over in an obvious stupid melody with those retarded lyrics "if you said that I mean the wooooorld to youuuuuuuuuuu would you tryyyyyy to call me honeeeyyyy" sure, alot of trance is different from your pop radio variety(but can you name any?) but there is also alot of really big famous trance that is very similar to popshit.

comparing dj sammy - heaven with BILLY RAY MARTIN - HONEY (CHICANE CLUB MIX) is like comparing Chingy to Tupac

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Originally posted by Blue. People don't get made fun of just for saying they like DJ Sami. I've seen regulars admit they like a track or two that's considered cheese with little to no comments made about it. The people who get made fun of are the ones who are way off base ie. "DJ Sami and Lasgo are techno" and the people who know their shit or just have something to prove tear into these false statements. Not only that but people usualy get into pissing contests on who knows what about music and they feel that if you don't know as much as them then you know nothing.

i agree, man. theres definatly some truth there.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Are you contending that Aphex Twin is underground?

No, I'm not saying that Aphex Twin is underground. I'm saying that more often than not, people get their first taste of dance music from the charts. From a young age, everyone is exposed to some form of commercial dance via the charts.

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Originally posted by deknician Lol yeah, or people who say, "There is hardly a big difference between what dj sammy produces and guys like corsten etc."

Well I don't see anyone proving us wrong, so...

mv - from the underground

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Originally posted by djpaulc No, I'm not saying that Aphex Twin is underground. I'm saying that more often than not, people get their first taste of dance music from the charts. From a young age, everyone is exposed to some form of commercial dance via the charts.

It really depends on where you're from. I'm starting to realize more and more that the reason I love this stuff probably has something to do with the hours upon hours of video games I played as a kid.

I love New Order and Depeche Mode as well, so it was kind of a natural progression to get into this stuff.

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Originally posted by auranaut Well I don't see anyone proving us wrong, so...

There's a few producers here at TA (Haak, max graham, davedresden etc.). Why don't you PM them and ask them to explain how their productions are different from DJ Sammy? I'm sure they'll appreciate it.

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Originally posted by deknician There's a few producers here at TA (Haak, max graham, davedresden etc.). Why don't you PM them and ask them to explain how their productions are different from DJ Sammy? I'm sure they'll appreciate it.

That's nice, 'cuz Dave Dresden considers his own music POP MUSIC. Now stop being a little **** and realise that your precious trance is as cheesy as DJ Sammy, it just isn't as successful.

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Originally posted by auranaut That's nice, 'cuz Dave Dresden considers his own music POP MUSIC. Now stop being a little **** and realise that your precious trance is as cheesy as DJ Sammy, it just isn't as successful.

Sorry, what? G&D consider themselves house music.

I think I have problems with tracks which you can just tell a track made before this was basicly the same.

I always want new/differnt sounding stuff (the debate that a track is good just because it is new/differnt is a whole debate on its own) which is posssibly construed as being elitist or trying to be underground (only the newest most differnt stuff).

Any trance which has lyrics with "love", "touch", "you", "me", "my" or "heart" in them sung by some random bird in a standard way coupled with standard beats and other standard components is going to have to be really well done before it desends into cheese in my opinion.

I think thats the problem I'm starting to have with the genre trance.

It has a format (perhaps more a problem with highly defined genres?).

I think trance is at its best when it includes an element which is genrally not a standard component of the trance genre.

Basicly inter-genre tracks, ones which are hard to define as just trance (or within trance sub-genres), which are well produced tend to be more likely to do something for me these days (with exceptions for exceptional tracks).

All this is just my humble opinion and I do love alot of trance and have done for atleast 10 years (i.e. I'm not trance bashing just trying to disect it a bit).

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Originally posted by deknician Sorry, what? G&D consider themselves house music.

Doesn't matter, they're still pop.

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Originally posted by auranaut Doesn't matter, they're still pop.

Riight. So are you saying all music is the same genre: pop? Have you had any luck spotting the production differences between, say, a Ferry Corsten track and a DJ Sammy track yet? Based on the above I'd guess not.

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Originally posted by Dervish Basicly inter-genre tracks, ones which are hard to define as just trance (or within trance sub-genres), which are well produced tend to be more likely to do something for me these days (with exceptions for exceptional tracks). All this is just my humble opinion and I do love alot of trance and have done for atleast 10 years (i.e. I'm not trance bashing just trying to disect it a bit).

I agree.

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Originally posted by deknician Sorry, what? G&D consider themselves house music.

thats not a contradiction in either case

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Originally posted by Aiwendil they're the same kind of music, buddy.

No they're not, "buddy". DJ Sammy produces euro pop with the emphasis on the vocal and radio friendliness. Producers like Ferry make epic trance, with the emphasis on the melodies, sub melodies and bass changes.

Of course, the very basic structure may appear the same. But you'd have to be aurally retarded to not tell the difference. Maybe you are.

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Originally posted by auranaut No, I was saying that "yes, they should be slagged over what they listen to".

Why?

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Originally posted by deknician Riight. So are you saying all music is the same genre: pop? Have you had any luck spotting the production differences between, say, a Ferry Corsten track and a DJ Sammy track yet? Based on the above I'd guess not.

Pop is not a genre. Pop music is simply popular music.

Oh, and what do we have here... a Ferry Corsten album, including One... Two... Three... Seven tracks featuring vocals.

http://www.discogs.com/release/281670

Tiesto album, 5 vocal tracks:

http://www.discogs.com/release/261325

Not like it matters. DJ Sammy and Tiesto/Ferry tracks both strive to give the listener that "uplifting" feeling that comes with epic trance, through vocals or pure instrumentals. That's how it is, whether you like it or not. Now, I suggest you shut up until you're more familiar with EDM.

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Originally posted by Jackson Why?

Because, quite frankly, I'm getting sick of supplying arguments and having them ignored by clueless newbies. I'd rather just make fun of them.

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Originally posted by auranaut Pop is not a genre. Pop music is simply popular music.

You're wrong. "Pop" is indeed short for "popular" but it refers to the genre of music, mainly aimed at teenagers, with wide appeal but usually only for a short period of time.

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Originally posted by auranaut Oh, and what do we have here... a Ferry Corsten album, including One... Two... Three... Seven tracks featuring vocals. Tiesto album, 5 vocal tracks.

Why do you start randomly talking about vocals? Just because Ti�sto and Ferry make vocal tracks doesn't make them more like DJ Sammy.

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Originally posted by auranaut Not like it matters. DJ Sammy and Tiesto/Ferry tracks both strive to give the listener that "uplifting" feeling that comes with epic trance.

I agree, but I'm talking about the way it's done. You have to either be deaf, stupid, or deliberatly obtuse to think there's hardly any difference between a DJ Sammy production and a Ferry/Ti�sto production.

Incidentally, I'm not even a Ferry or Ti�sto fan; in fact I like house and breaks, but I'm just making the point that there's little/no comparison between what they do and what DJ Sammy does.

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Originally posted by deknician I agree, but I'm talking about the way it's done. You have to either be deaf, stupid, or deliberatly obtuse to think there's hardly any difference between a DJ Sammy production and a Ferry/Ti�sto production.

Oh, so Tiesto - Traffic is infinitely better produced than Sammy's crap, huh? And so are Ferry Corsten - Punk, and Rock Your Body Rock, right?

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Originally posted by deknician Why do you start randomly talking about vocals? Just because Ti�sto and Ferry make vocal tracks doesn't make them more like DJ Sammy.

You just stated that DJ Sammy's tracks are focused on the vocals, as are some of Ferry's and Tiesto's tracks. Don't go backing out now.

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Originally posted by auranaut Oh, so Tiesto - Traffic is infinitely better produced than Sammy's crap, huh? And so are Ferry Corsten - Punk, and Rock Your Body Rock, right?

[Sigh] "Traffic" was intended as a mix tool so you can't really complain. "Punk" and "Rock Your Body, Rock" are electro trance, and completely different. So well done: by listing these three tracks that are even less like DJ Sammy, you've actually proved my point more. Thank you.

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Originally posted by auranaut You just stated that DJ Sammy's tracks are focused on the vocals, as are some of Ferry's and Tiesto's tracks. Don't go backing out now.

DJ Sammy's tracks are solely focussed on vocals, the main aim being so that those who are into that sort of thing can sing along. Ferry's and Ti�sto's just aren't.

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Originally posted by deknician DJ Sammy's tracks are solely focussed on vocals, the main aim being so that those who are into that sort of thing can sing along. Ferry's and Ti�sto's just aren't.

Then why are the vocals there? And have you ever heard a certain track called Delerium - Silence (Tiesto's ISOS Remix)? I'm sure noone ever sang along to that.

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Originally posted by auranaut Then why are the vocals there? And have you ever heard a certain track called Delerium - Silence (Tiesto's ISOS Remix)? I'm sure noone ever sang along to that.

Not really; no one could work out the lyrics

Nice to see you avoided responding to the point you kindly made about Traffic, Punk and RYBR being completely different to DJ Sammy. I think you should leave this one mate. To be honest you might as well start trying to argue that Slipknott's productions are the same as Sasha's... (Don't).

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