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Originally posted by Blue. So when you like a vocal talent it isn't for their voice but for what a team of engineers can do to it?

Yes. If it sounds good then I couldn't really give a shit how much production work goes into it.

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Originally posted by Hydarnes As for your list of "trance voices", don't include Sarah Mclachlan, she's not even a trance vocalist besides the fact that she doesn't even have the voice for trance (but a great voice or other styles nonetheless)>

well, why doesn't she have the voice for trance?? i know she isn't a ''trance vocalist'', but her voice is beautiful and there are some great remixes including her voice! stupid(hyper remix), silence(tiesto remix), i love you(bt remix), fallen(g&d remix)

Hydranes: You can fake high notes, its called falsetto.



Let me tell you that every singer even the ones you think are vocal divas have effects/editing/pitchshifting on there voices wether its in a live or studio enviroment.

In a project i was doin in college (an authentic remake of bohemian rhapsody) a whole vocal line was sung out of tune we selected each note and pitch shifted it and i tell you no one would ever tell the difference.

basically if you want true great singers look to the times before digital studios and samplers ( pre 1979 as that was when the fairlight sampler was invented ). You also need to look at the opera singers who have truly powerful voices.

Jan Johnston ye she has a great studio voice but other wise, meh!.
Sarah Mclachlan fucks up hard on the acapella of Silence and thats after processing.

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Originally posted by Blue. So when you like a vocal talent it isn't for their voice but for what a team of engineers can do to it?

Mavie Marcos and Jes Brieden cant sing live, but in studio they are unbelieveable.. i dont think that has all to do about the engineer, but if it has i dont care, cause i doubt ill ever hear them live (irl) :P

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Originally posted by JakeC Hydranes: You can fake high notes, its called falsetto. Let me tell you that every singer even the ones you think are vocal divas have effects/editing/pitchshifting on there voices wether its in a live or studio enviroment. In a project i was doin in college (an authentic remake of bohemian rhapsody) a whole vocal line was sung out of tune we selected each note and pitch shifted it and i tell you no one would ever tell the difference. basically if you want true great singers look to the times before digital studios and samplers ( pre 1979 as that was when the fairlight sampler was invented ). You also need to look at the opera singers who have truly powerful voices. Jan Johnston ye she has a great studio voice but other wise, meh!. Sarah Mclachlan fucks up hard on the acapella of Silence and thats after processing.

And this guy works in a studio.

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Originally posted by JakeC Sarah Mclachlan fucks up hard on the acapella of Silence and thats after processing.

didn't think there was an authentic acapella in circulation? only one i've ever seen has an inpersonater singing


point i was trying to get across is why bother spending time hunting out 'true great singers' when you can get anyone with a nice vocal tone & brush them up in a studio. if you were looking for a live performance singer then i could see how all this would be relevant, but if it's just for studio work then i really can't see the problem?

It was an official acapella not a fake.

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Originally posted by JakeC It was an official acapella not a fake.

share plz

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Originally posted by miamitranceman I like broccoli.

Me too.

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Originally posted by JakeC Hydranes: You can fake high notes, its called falsetto. Let me tell you that every singer even the ones you think are vocal divas have effects/editing/pitchshifting on there voices wether its in a live or studio enviroment. In a project i was doin in college (an authentic remake of bohemian rhapsody) a whole vocal line was sung out of tune we selected each note and pitch shifted it and i tell you no one would ever tell the difference. basically if you want true great singers look to the times before digital studios and samplers ( pre 1979 as that was when the fairlight sampler was invented ). You also need to look at the opera singers who have truly powerful voices. Jan Johnston ye she has a great studio voice but other wise, meh!. Sarah Mclachlan fucks up hard on the acapella of Silence and thats after processing.

Yes, and I am quite aware of the difference between a voice in reality and a voice processed in the studio. But here's the deal. We're discussing all the vocalists on a studio level, and therefore we can judge on that criterion. If we were able to hear all the vocalists live, then that would probably be the best method, but it ain't gonna happen.

And as much as voice is enhanced, I can't conceive for the life of me that Kirsty's impressively high-pitched vocal section on Walking on Clouds was merely digitally produced apart from her actually being able to hit the note. There may be a level of enhancing, but that's the scenario with all vocals. The argument about not judging a vocalist before you hear them live is ridiculous. We can base our judgment on what we have heard vis-a-vis other vocalists undergoing the same treatment.

I would also like to point out that Kirsty's solo Album "OUT" gives a good example of her voice, and although it is standardly "studioized" to some extent (as all other music is), it sounds very close to reality.

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Originally posted by JakeC It was an official acapella not a fake.

I would really like to hear that acapella.

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Originally posted by alieu well, why doesn't she have the voice for trance?? i know she isn't a ''trance vocalist'', but her voice is beautiful and there are some great remixes including her voice! stupid(hyper remix), silence(tiesto remix), i love you(bt remix), fallen(g&d remix)

Well, I guess it comes down to a matter of opinion. I don't disagree that she has a beautiful voice, I just don't think it blends well with trance.

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Originally posted by Hydarnes Well, I guess it comes down to a matter of opinion. I don't disagree that she has a beautiful voice, I just don't think it blends well with trance.

Why not? Her voice in Silence is as epic as it gets. Just what the hell do you want? Some blonde whining about lost love?

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Originally posted by auranaut Why not? Her voice in Silence is as epic as it gets. Just what the hell do you want? Some blonde whining about lost love?

Because she sounded too whiney IMO, and the song never pulls you in. "In this siiilleeeenncce" I've heard her sing better.

Naimee Coleman is a good trance voice, for example.

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Originally posted by Hydarnes Because she sounded too whiney IMO, and the song never pulls you in. "In this siiilleeeenncce" I've heard her sing better. Naimee Coleman is a good trance voice, for example.

Oh well, fair enough.

Another vocalist

In my opinion this Jillian character doesn't sing that well. But you know someone who does, chessy or not? It's former 4 Strings vocalist Vanessa Van Hemmert. She has nice pipes for dance-type music, plus the looks to go with it. Anyway just wanted to put in my 2 cents to the discussion.

personally i reckon the best sounding trance vocalist is kate cameron (chakra, lustral, space brothers etc)

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Originally posted by isoterra personally i reckon the best sounding trance vocalist is kate cameron (chakra, lustral, space brothers etc)

I agree. one of the few singers in trance which doesnt makes me vomit

Personally I reckon there aren't any good trance vocalists, and the genre should be kept instrumental.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Personally I reckon there aren't any good trance vocalists, and the genre should be kept instrumental.

Agree totally.

Pop lyrics have more depth than some of these trance lyrics.

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 In my opinion this Jillian character doesn't sing that well. But you know someone who does, chessy or not? It's former 4 Strings vocalist Vanessa Van Hemmert. She has nice pipes for dance-type music, plus the looks to go with it. Anyway just wanted to put in my 2 cents to the discussion.

Yes. I agree that Vanessa has a good voice.

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Personally I reckon there aren't any good trance vocalists, and the genre should be kept instrumental.

There's too much non-vocal trance that's boring.

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Originally posted by Hydarnes There's too much non-vocal trance that's boring.

And there's 99.9% of vocal trance that's so painfully shit it's made the genre a laughing stock over the last five years.

And if you can't focus on an instrumental piece for 8 minutes a time, you're listening to the wrong type of music, my friend.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J And there's 99.9% of vocal trance that's so painfully shit it's made the genre a laughing stock over the last five years. And if you can't focus on an instrumental piece for 8 minutes a time, you're listening to the wrong type of music, my friend.

It goes without saying that there is a lot of vocal junk, but a 99.9% figure is grossly misinformed. You're either listening to the wrong vocal trance, or you have really bad taste in music. There is nothing preventing instrumental trance from becoming just as "cheesy" as vocal. Lyrics are minor, unless they are overly cliched and complemented with cheap commercial patterns.

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And there's 99.9% of vocal trance that's so painfully shit it's made the genre a laughing stock over the last five years.

I'd listen to trance-cheese any day over american mainstream filth. Pop and Rock have immeasurably surpassed trance in tacky lyrics that sing about the same love theme over and over. Not even junkie vocal trance could hope to have the "laughinstock" crown.

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Originally posted by Hydarnes I'd listen to trance-cheese any day over american mainstream filth. Pop and Rock have immeasurably surpassed trance in tacky lyrics that sing about the same love theme over and over. Not even junkie vocal trance could hope to have the "laughinstock" crown.

Yes, because all the genres of music in the world are:

Trance, pop, rock and hip-hop

aren't they?

There's no house, no techno, no hardcore, no ambient, no breaks and no jungle even in EDM, not to mention the thousands of non electronic genres from classical to jazz.

Lyrics don't mean shit- it's the fact that the music that makes up vocal trance is utterly pathetic. Even so, you seriously think trance lyrics are any better than pop lyrics? You're having a laugh, mate.

You say I have bad taste in music? That's a fucking insult. My musical tastes aren't limited to about three tiny genres and I have a lot more open mind than you. Because I don't like the cha-chink money making bullshit that gives you a funny feeling because your emotionally retarded means I have bad taste? You're a living joke on these forums both thanks to your ignorance and your awful tastes in music.

My tastes aren't perfect, but at least I have a clue what I'm talking about and I listen to more than just fluffy vocal trance cack.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Yes, because all the genres of music in the world are: Trance, pop, rock and hip-hop aren't they? There's no house, no techno, no hardcore, no ambient, no breaks and no jungle even in EDM, not to mention the thousands of non electronic genres from classical to jazz. Lyrics don't mean shit- it's the fact that the music that makes up vocal trance is utterly pathetic. Even so, you seriously think trance lyrics are any better than pop lyrics? You're having a laugh, mate. You say I have bad taste in music? That's a fucking insult. My musical tastes aren't limited to about three tiny genres and I have a lot more open mind than you. Because I don't like the cha-chink money making bullshit that gives you a funny feeling because your emotionally retarded means I have bad taste? You're a living joke on these forums both thanks to your ignorance and your awful tastes in music. My tastes aren't perfect, but at least I have a clue what I'm talking about and I listen to more than just fluffy vocal trance cack.

You're just blowing smoke. I never categorized you as having bad taste in music, I made it a possibility. Of course, you amplify the hypocrisy and irony of your own position by ensuing to INSULT my taste in music.

"You're a living joke on these forums both thanks to your ignorance and your awful tastes in music"--system J

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There's no house, no techno, no hardcore, no ambient, no breaks and no jungle even in EDM, not to mention the thousands of non electronic genres from classical to jazz.

So what point are you trying to make, exactly? I love ambient (it's one of my favorites), New Age (probably an equally favorite genre of mine), House, Classical, jazz spanish, etc etc. Some of my favorite songs are in these categories.

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Lyrics don't mean shit- it's the fact that the music that makes up vocal trance is utterly pathetic.

Here you are again making ludicrous blanket statements that undermine the little credibility that you might have left.

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My tastes aren't perfect, but at least I have a clue what I'm talking about and I listen to more than just fluffy vocal trance cack.

In that case we aren't as far from being in harmony as your prolific imagination would have you believe.

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