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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I've never been taken advantage of nor do I set myself up for it. Essentially, we are thinking along similar lines, however, you are getting caught up in words that you don't quite understand because you have never experienced them. Believe me, when you are in love with someone (real love) you will be honoured and privileged to be with them. Being honoured to be with another person happens naturally when you hold someone in high esteem. If you do not hold them in high esteem then you have no business dating them in the first place. Ideally both parties will hold the other in high esteem and therefore will feel privliged to be with the other. It is unfortunate that you don't have the capacity to understand what I'm saying here. With some more experience and maturity you will. Until then there is no point in continuing this because you cannot possibly understand.

moral, i understand what you're saying (finally) lol...your comments were all over the place it wasn't making much sense. but it is an honour to be in the presence of your real love, and if that feeling is mutual between the two of you, then you know you have a good relationship.

i have had very successful relationships following the criteria that i have stated. In fact many times my friends are jealous because of how well they work out. Meanwhile i kind of feel sorry for them because they have the same subserviant attitude as demonstrated here. I call it Ray Romano syndrome. I find most of the time i find the women have been conditioned to walk all over men and men have been conditioned to let it happen. They dont even realize how whipped they are and get mad when you point it out and say things like "well if u had a real relationship you would know"...

I have had real relationships and i know that while it takes much longer to meet quality women the wait is usually worth it.

Having said that, no relationship is 100% successful until you actually grow old with and die with that person.

Question: Who the hell is supposed to PAY when it is 2 guys who are GAY????

Now there is a question - I would like answered!!! LOL!!!

JAYX1????????

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Originally posted by djbruuen moral, i understand what you're saying (finally) lol...your comments were all over the place it wasn't making much sense. but it is an honour to be in the presence of your real love, and if that feeling is mutual between the two of you, then you know you have a good relationship.

i understand what he is saying but he still equates money into it. A good relationship doesnt get caught up on stupid things like being honoured with each others presence and huge expensive presents. Its about being able to be yourself with that person and enjoy each others company.

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Originally posted by naesean3 Question: Who the hell is supposed to PAY when it is 2 guys who are GAY???? Now there is a question - I would like answered!!! LOL!!! JAYX1????????

who cares? LOL Hopefully i will never have that problem LOL

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Originally posted by naesean3 Question: Who the hell is supposed to PAY when it is 2 guys who are GAY???? Now there is a question - I would like answered!!! LOL!!! JAYX1????????

guarenteed it won't be the higher maintence fruitcake. they're just like the diva's who are money grabbing whores...i don't know if its to much mtv i've been watching, or walking around downtown TO to much, but the 'women' in the gay guy relationship is just as bad as a hootchie lol

edit: anyways, its been fun boyzzzz...but now i got work ta do, so my dating adivce is done.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 who cares? LOL Hopefully i will never have that problem LOL

an "unintelligent" answer from JAYX1 finally I have proof!!!!

Thanks dude! that comment was rude!!!

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Originally posted by naesean3 an "unintelligent" answer from JAYX1 finally I have proof!!!! Thanks dude! that comment was rude!!!

No.... im just stating my dislike for dating men...

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Originally posted by Jayx1 No.... im just stating my dislike for dating men...

but you didn't answer the question....you always have an answer....so........

that was my answer

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Originally posted by naesean3 Question: Who the hell is supposed to PAY when it is 2 guys who are GAY???? Now there is a question - I would like answered!!! LOL!!! JAYX1????????

Just to offer my 2 cents.... I'd say the party that requests the company of the other should be the one to cover the associated expenses.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 who cares? LOL Hopefully i will never have that problem LOL

how does that answer the question???? you avoided answering who should pay?????

the answer should be that you take turns like anyone else would....

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Just to offer my 2 cents.... I'd say the party that requests the company of the other should be the one to cover the associated expenses.

now that is an "intelligent" response - your "morals" obviously do not mandate you to spit out vicious slandering bigotred remarks - thanks man for an accurate response to the question posed......

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Originally posted by naesean3 your "morals" obviously do not mandate you to spit out vicious slandering bigotred remarks

Are you saying that i did? Because clearly i didnt.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 the answer should be that you take turns like anyone else would....

now that wasn't so hard.......that should have been your first response tho....not the ignorant one you posted 10 mins ago.

FYI

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Originally posted by naesean3 now that wasn't so hard.......that should have been your first response tho....not the ignorant one you posted 10 mins ago. FYI

I stand by that original response.... dating men turns me right off so hopefully i will never have the problem that you characterized.

Dont try to make an issue out of nothing

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Are you saying that i did? Because clearly i didnt.

no you "CLEARLY" didn't say - (the smugness) was quite clear/apparant though......

Notice I never "CLEARLY" said that you are BIGOTED in your response to my question?

I hardly know you - that would be judgemental - benefit of the doubt should always be extended unless there is reason to believe one way or the other...........

yes it was obvious because tone of voice really shines through on a message board right?

Saying i dont care about something or saying that i dont like dating men is OK and i make no apologies. What would be wrong would be to say something like "men shouldnt be dating men anyways so who cares?"

Tolerence doesnt mean you have to shut your mouth about your own likes and dislikes.

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Originally posted by naesean3 now that is an "intelligent" response - your "morals" obviously do not mandate you to spit out vicious slandering bigotred remarks - thanks man for an accurate response to the question posed......

Actually, I do not believe in morality therefore I see no wrong in homosexuality, thus no bigotry.

BTW, did you actually find Jay's response to bigotred? I could see the remark as dismissive, disapproving, offensive (I personally was not offended but I could see how one could be), but I fail to see hatred in it. That being said, I'm no a gay man and I suppose I would be less in tune to such a thing.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I could see the remark as dismissive, disapproving, offensive (I personally was not offended but I could see how one could be),

people can read into anything they want to...

I dont like dating men... i dismiss the idea of myself dating men, i disapprove of myself dating men, im offended by the idea of myself dating men and thats the way it is. To look beyond those ideas in my statement is reaching at best.

That doesnt mean i dont think others should be able to or that i look down on it.

Sheesh!!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 yes it was obvious because tone of voice really shines through on a message board right? Saying i dont care about something or saying that i dont like dating men is OK and i make no apologies. What would be wrong would be to say something like "men shouldnt be dating men anyways so who cares?" Tolerence doesnt mean you have to shut your mouth about your own likes and dislikes.

Agreed, however saying that "hopefully you will never be in that situation" (sorry if I misquoted you but it was something to that affect) marginalizes anyone who is in that situation. Certainly, you can understand how this could be perceived as a slam/insult. I don't think there was anything wrong with saying how you feel, however, your sentaments could have been worded better. Perhaps a better response would have been "I do not know as I have never been in that situation and have never given it thought as it is quite likely I will never encounter that instance."

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Originally posted by Jayx1 people can read into anything they want to... I dont like dating men... i dismiss the idea of myself dating men, i disapprove of myself dating men, im offended by the idea of myself dating men and thats the way it is. To look beyond those ideas in my statement is reaching at best. That doesnt mean i dont think others should be able to or that i look down on it. Sheesh!!

I didn't say that you did.... I was mearly stating that I understand how someone could be offended by your statement. I actually thought saying that you were a bigot might have been a little too far and was hoping for an explanation of why Naesean felt that way.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Agreed, however saying that "hopefully you will never be in that situation" (sorry if I misquoted you but it was something to that affect) marginalizes anyone who is in that situation. Certainly, you can understand how this could be perceived as a slam/insult. I don't think there was anything wrong with saying how you feel, however, your sentaments could have been worded better. Perhaps a better response would have been "I do not know as I have never been in that situation and have never given it thought as it is quite likely I will never encounter that instance."

i make no apologies for what i said. People can interpret it any way they wish but i know how i feel inside and people who have read my posts should also understand where i come from.

Im not going to get caught up in the semantics game that people seem to like to play so much.

It reminds me of when chretien said that welfare recipients should not use the money to buy beer and smokes and got slammed for it. he was being honest. But people dont want honesty.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 i make no apologies for what i said. People can interpret it any way they wish but i know how i feel inside and people who have read my posts should also understand where i come from. Im not going to get caught up in the semantics game that people seem to like to play so much.

Fair enough but do not be surprised when some take offence to what you say.

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