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Originally posted by UWM Hippies.

hahaah true. You don't think there's any validity?

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Originally posted by UWM And you can't make it to Sasha? Teh sad

i know. it sucks but i've learned to expect (and accept) it.

I'm sure there is some validity behind some of it, or else people wouldn't come up with it in the first place. I don't really have any background knowledge of that stuff, so I can't comment on it's foundations nor can I really comment on any of the results. I just know from my life experiences that of all the people who I've met who believe in those sort of things, almost 100% of them are people I would classify as 'Hippy'

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Originally posted by Estella What about the new springing forth of all these religions or thought? Holistic healing, Scientology, alternative medicine, etc.

Just because they exist does not mean they are valid.

With regard to holistic treatments and alternative medicines they must be taken on a case by case basis.

Holistic simply means that the treatment treats the entire person rather then one condition. Massage therapy is a holistic treatment. There is hard science backing up the health benefits of most of the Sweedish techniques, myofacial manipulation, strain/counterstrain, trigger point thereapy, hydro therapy, etc. Thus I accept health benefits can be attributed to massage therapy. Raki is also considered a holistic treatment, however, there is no scientific study that has been accepted by the courts (in Canada or the US anyway.... which is all I'm concerned about as those are the jurisdictions I practice in) that corollates Raki to health benefits. Subsequently, I cannot accept Raki as a valid medical practice.

Alternative medicines are very tricky as some of them have proven benefits and others do not. For instance, St. John's Wart is proven to have a mild effect on brain chemistry which acts simillarly to a mild anti-depresent. There are known benefits to St. John's Wart. There is no accepted study that shows that placing leaches on one's body can cure small pox, therefore this is not a valid medical treatment. It has to be taken on a case by case basis, just because one "alternative medicine" is proven to work does not mean all will.

As for religion, I do not involve myself as this is a highly personal matter and I refuse to question anyone's beliefs in this regard.

The long and short of it is this.... If the aflicted person believes they are receiving benefit from one treatment or another then they should continue to believe in the validity of that treatment and continue to receive it. Ultimately the patient must judge as they are the responsible for their own health. The one caveot I place on this is that unless there is acceptable science supporting a course of treatment I CANNOT accept it as valid, the courts CANNOT accept it as valid, I am not obliged to pay for it (in my role as an insurance adjuster), and I would not rely on it if I were ill (on a personal level).

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Originally posted by UWM I'm sure there is some validity behind some of it, or else people wouldn't come up with it in the first place. I don't really have any background knowledge of that stuff, so I can't comment on it's foundations nor can I really comment on any of the results. I just know from my life experiences that of all the people who I've met who believe in those sort of things, almost 100% of them are people I would classify as 'Hippy'

haha. Yeah, I have no foundation either. My mom applied for a position in a Science Medicine organization here. She told me the basic beliefs and interviewing process... it sounded like a freak fest. And then, downtown, I don't know if this relates w/ any alternative healing, but there is always this man walking around on Main St. He stopped my friends and I (we were already leary due to the neighborhood) and asked us if we wanted to see our personalities on screen and in color. Of course, it sparked my interest but then he motioned to this building that resembled some broke down, crackhouse. hahaaa that was a no-go.

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Originally posted by Estella What about the new springing forth of all these religions or thought? Holistic healing, Scientology, alternative medicine, etc.

those things arent new.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Just because they exist does not mean they are valid. With regard to holistic treatments and alternative medicines they must be taken on a case by case basis. Holistic simply means that the treatment treats the entire person rather then one condition. Massage therapy is a holistic treatment. There is hard science backing up the health benefits of most of the Sweedish techniques, myofacial manipulation, strain/counterstrain, trigger point thereapy, hydro therapy, etc. Thus I accept health benefits can be attributed to massage therapy. Raki is also considered a holistic treatment, however, there is no scientific study that has been accepted by the courts (in Canada or the US anyway.... which is all I'm concerned about as those are the jurisdictions I practice in) that corollates Raki to health benefits. Subsequently, I cannot accept Raki as a valid medical practice. Alternative medicines are very tricky as some of them have proven benefits and others do not. For instance, St. John's Wart is proven to have a mild effect on brain chemistry which acts simillarly to a mild anti-depresent. There are known benefits to St. John's Wart. There is no accepted study that shows that placing leaches on one's body can cure small pox, therefore this is not a valid medical treatment. It has to be taken on a case by case basis, just because one "alternative medicine" is proven to work does not mean all will. As for religion, I do not involve myself as this is a highly personal matter and I refuse to question anyone's beliefs in this regard. The long and short of it is this.... If the aflicted person believes they are receiving benefit from one treatment or another then they should continue to believe in the validity of that treatment and continue to receive it. Ultimately the patient must judge as they are the responsible for their own health. The one caveot I place on this is that unless there is acceptable science supporting a course of treatment I CANNOT accept it as valid, the courts CANNOT accept it as valid, I am not obliged to pay for it (in my role as an insurance adjuster), and I would not rely on it if I were ill (on a personal level).

So insurance companies cover absolutely no form of any alternative healing practices? Even if it is to be used as a last resort?

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Originally posted by butterfly those things arent new.

Yeah, your right. I didn't think about that. Thanks

You can provide Moral w/ some valid evidence !! Or maybe you're in the same boat?

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Originally posted by Estella So insurance companies cover absolutely no form of any alternative healing practices? Even if it is to be used as a last resort?

Stay away from the word "alternative". That is a very inprecise word and could mean anything. For instance, because accupuncture is not governed by a college of professionals it is not accepted as being part of the accepted medical community and is therefore "alternative" to standard treatment. That being said, there are credible studies that link accupuncture to releive of various conditions therefore it would be considered an accepted treatment for those conditions. In some jurisdictions (such as Ontario and California) accupuncture is covered by health insurance plans and/or by the courts (under tort law) for those conditions. There is no study showing that accupuncture can assist in the treatment of a traumatic brain injury and therefore no insurance company would pay for accupuncture as a treatment for TBI.

Generally speaking, if there are no proven (scientifically proven with replicated experiments meeting all the criteria of scientific testing) health benefits from using a certain treatment to treat a specific condition then it will not be covered by insurance or ordered payable by the courts. Now, an insurance company could disregard this at their discression, however, if a treatment is not accepted by the courts then there is no requirement that an insurance company (or any individual other then the patient) pay for it.

Okay, what did you do with the real Moral Hazard? This obviously isn't him, as I've never seen a serious word posted by him before.

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Originally posted by UWM I'm sure there is some validity behind some of it, or else people wouldn't come up with it in the first place. I don't really have any background knowledge of that stuff, so I can't comment on it's foundations nor can I really comment on any of the results. I just know from my life experiences that of all the people who I've met who believe in those sort of things, almost 100% of them are people I would classify as 'Hippy'

Every heritage has come up with it in the first place. Many countries are still using natural herbs and medicines these days. It just turned into a known fad now. Holistic healers go way back in the days, like medicine doctors and such. We have just lost touch with the idea for a while.

Last week I had a splitting headache at work. When I got home I sprinkled some peppermint leave into a hot bath and soaked, about 15min later my headache was gone. It think its better than swallowing a bunch of pills. But then again I guess pills can be fun too. lolol
Then a couple days ago, I had this horrible pulled muscle in my neck. I took some camphor and eucalyptus essential oil and rubbed it into the muscle and a few minutes later it was better. The same thing you would get with bengay or icy hot, except all natural.

i am mostly talking about mental conditions...mainly moodiness and/or depression/anxiety. but i get really inspired when i see stories on discovery channel about people beating cancer through the power of the mind.

i've been through some really tough times in my life and never carried through with pills and whatnot, i would always start to take them and then be like, "man screw this i don't need a fucking happy pill" and i just really motivated myself by saying positive things (i talk to myself a lot), and thinking positive thoughts no matter how shitty i was feeling.

i don't have tolerance for people who like to wallow in self pitty. it annoys me. but i like to motivate people and give advice to those who are open and willing to make a change or hear some constructive criticism. i could always use some myself and welcome it. i am excellent at making people smile and feel better once they've griped to me. you have to learn how to put shit in perspective and quit making all your dumb little problems seem like a major crisis... we're such small little insignificant things in this world...i'm sorry if i don't have time to hold grudges for dumb shit and bitch about not losing weight/getting in shape as i sit on the couch and eat cookies. im not saying i don't sit on the couch and eat cookies, but i certainly won't be wondering why i'm not in shape. lol

it's like when i was doing yay every weekend i would get all thin and upset, but i finally said, "well jamie if you want to look and feel your best and take your life to that next step, u know what u need to do" and i'm doing it now


change only occurs when you make changes in yourself and your way of thinking.

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Originally posted by UWM Okay, what did you do with the real Moral Hazard? This obviously isn't him, as I've never seen a serious word posted by him before.

Scary isn't it? I'm not sure how this happened either. I do, however, manage to put together a coherent thought every once and a while.

What's more frightenting, however, is that Sly is a champion for positive thinking.... seriously, the queen of the core bitches telling everyone to be happy.... maybe we've entered the twilight zone!

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Originally posted by UWM Okay, what did you do with the real Moral Hazard? This obviously isn't him, as I've never seen a serious word posted by him before.

I think us crackheads are often underestimated in terms of our intelligence (they choose to fuck themselves up, they MUST be stupid), but in fact the majority of us seem to be pretty clued up in general.

Viva la brains!! (even if they are slowly turning into goo )

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Originally posted by kr00t0n I think us crackheads are often underestimated in terms of our intelligence (they choose to fuck themselves up, they MUST be stupid), but in fact the majority of us seem to be pretty clued up in general. Viva la brains!! (even if they are slowly turning into goo )

Indeed, if we could all pool our brains we could form a nice gooey puddle... Shit, that would probably be the best drug going.... it would be like doing everything at once!

I think maybe the old MH is back!

little ms. motivation has been hiding behind little ms. cokehead





u guys are gonna see a huge turnaround for me, i'm SOOO on my way down SUCCESS LANE! hahahah

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Originally posted by Slylee u guys are gonna see a huge turnaround for me, i'm SOOO on my way down SUCCESS LANE! hahahah

I find that road tends to double back on itself quite frequently.

In all honesty, good luck.

thanks!! i don't need it though

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Originally posted by Slylee thanks!! i don't need it though

Fine, fuck you, I hope you fall off the wagon real hard and find yourself sucking off dirty old men in Little Haiti so you can afford your next high.














Shit, I can't say that. Really good luck.

dawww!!! thanks i was only saying that to motivate myself though...remember!!?

Whoa!!! When did you decide all this Sly ?!

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Originally posted by Estella Whoa!!! When did you decide all this Sly ?!

the last time i did coke, it was just not fun any more and i decided i want to go on a big health kick and quit drugs...i've done it before...i go through phases with drugs.


watch, in a month, i'll be like, "eww cokeheads are losers"

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Originally posted by Slylee "eww cokeheads are losers"

What about E-tards... we're still okay, right?

we'll see

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Originally posted by Slylee we'll see

just dont ever shit on potheads.....

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