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Originally posted by Skipper Totally not comparable. Explain to me what drugs are to an after hours, and then see if the same applies to hip hop and violence. go on...try.

All I know is I would not want to bump into anyone or look at anyones girl the wrong way at a hip-hop event, Like I could at and EDM event.

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Originally posted by Skipper because no one goes to system on Fridays and Saturdays anymore.

I've never heard of an incident of violence since the beginning of Breathe Friday's, or in the history of Bang Saturdays.

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Originally posted by Skipper because no one goes to system on Fridays and Saturdays anymore.

Since when???
It's been busy everytime I been there! And not just for Bitchress, sorry Mistress Barbara neither! LOL

And I will be tonight guaranteed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Booyaa

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict You guys can't seriously blame hip-hop (or rap, w/e) for the actions of these people. Hip hop is a style of music, like rock, jazz, folk, pop, EDM, etc; like all other musical genres, is a fusion of lyrical and instrumental components. It is unfair to associate hip hop with violence as there are many artists in this genre who produce and create intelligent, aware music that has the potential to educate listeners (ie: Common, Mos Def, Black Eyed Peas, and too many others to list here). In my opinion, the problem lies both in the individual artists and the public who creates demand for such artists. Whether such artists do it for the money, or actually believe the images they portray, is irrelevant. Such artists tarnish the hip hop scene and give it a bad reputation... too bad they are in the majority these days. Back in the day, violent messages in hip hop were an expression of the conditions facing black, inner-city residents. In such a climate, violetn hip hop lyrics were accepted because they embodied the frustration and repression of a group of people.. however, now that hip hop has been popularized, there is no need for violent messages in hip hop.

Kudos, I listen to a variety of music from Classical through to hip-hop/rap and especially including EDM. IMO if you want to bash a music genre for ruining peoples lives target Emo and any of the other whiny trash punk, industrial garbage that floats around. Metal doesn't get thrown in with industrial cuz for the most part the music is just angry energy as opposed to complaining and whining. I hate any type of music that complains about the world. I don't mind music that gives examples of fixing it mind you (EDM and Hip Hop both feature this). And ya every now and then I don't care how degrading hip hop is, I like a little bit o' Biggies Big Booty Hos

Peace!

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Originally posted by PartyHarlequin Kudos, I listen to a variety of music from Classical through to hip-hop/rap and especially including EDM. IMO if you want to bash a music genre for ruining peoples lives target Emo and any of the other whiny trash punk, industrial garbage that floats around. Metal doesn't get thrown in with industrial cuz for the most part the music is just angry energy as opposed to complaining and whining. I hate any type of music that complains about the world. I don't mind music that gives examples of fixing it mind you (EDM and Hip Hop both feature this). And ya every now and then I don't care how degrading hip hop is, I like a little bit o' Biggies Big Booty Hos Peace!

Emo = causes people to kill themselves
Hip Hop = causes people to kill each other

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Hip hop music doesnt cause violence as i said...but it sure does attract those who commit it.

Agreed.....the people who commit the violent acts are not born that way but it is the image of the artists and the lyrics that bring out the violence....The "Gangster Rapper" attitude and style makes people think they have to be violent....all their friends are like that and therefore they feel they need to be.

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Originally posted by TrickDaddE All I know is I would not want to bump into anyone or look at anyones girl the wrong way at a hip-hop event, Like I could at and EDM event.

Violence happens whether there is electronic music or not.
The fact that drugs are so prevalent within our scene makes going out to after hours just as risky, whether you acknowledge that or not.

Every time I go out, there's always one person who is so fucked up they don't know what they're doing. Does it make you comfortable to think you're sharing a space with someone so out of control?

Further, the side-dealings of many after hours in this city means there are a lot of people who can and do pass through a club on a given night that are not there for the same reasons you are.

Totally different risks, but equally risky.

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Originally posted by Mr. Furious I've never heard of an incident of violence since the beginning of Breathe Friday's, or in the history of Bang Saturdays.

Me neither.
Although I have seen fights that get escorted out like this one did - if you count that.

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Originally posted by Skipper Every time I go out, there's always one person who is so fucked up they don't know what they're doing.

said person is usually from this board. BAHAH

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Originally posted by Mr. Furious Electronic music often contains lyrics about drugs. Rap music often contains lyrics about violence. Match. Set. Point.

Sorry, I thought you were making a much bigger comparison that just lyrics.

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Originally posted by Skipper Violence happens whether there is electronic music or not. The fact that drugs are so prevalent within our scene makes going out to after hours just as risky, whether you acknowledge that or not. Every time I go out, there's always one person who is so fucked up they don't know what they're doing. Does it make you comfortable to think you're sharing a space with someone so out of control? Further, the side-dealings of many after hours in this city means there are a lot of people who can and do pass through a club on a given night that are not there for the same reasons you are. Totally different risks, but equally risky.

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Ok so how come you dont hear about shoot em ups at electronic clubs except the occasional incident at film which incidentally is probably the dodgiest of them all? I dont even consider film to be a club anyways just as that banquet hall in north york wasnt a club.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 \ Ok so how come you dont hear about shoot em ups at electronic clubs except the occasional incident at film which incidentally is probably the dodgiest of them all? I dont even consider film to be a club anyways just as that banquet hall in north york wasnt a club.

a/ do you consider guv a club? wasn't a bouncer killed there a few years back?
b/ we're not talking about shootings specifically. this thread was specifically about a fight inside a club that people associated with the fact that it was hip hop night. a fight that escalated to further violence is not unique to a certain genre of music.

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Originally posted by Skipper a/ do you consider guv a club? wasn't a bouncer killed there a few years back?

yup and it was a hiphop night

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I think it's time for System to review their Thursday night format. Nights like that make it hard for everyone when bullshit happens.

those same people probably go to guvy on saturdays


system is pretty skecth on a thursday though i make i point to stay away

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Originally posted by Skipper a/ do you consider guv a club? wasn't a bouncer killed there a few years back?

yes and yes.... it was in the HIP HOP room by a thug that shouldnt have even been in there. I was in the room at the time

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b/ we're not talking about shootings specifically. this thread was specifically about a fight inside a club that people associated with the fact that it was hip hop night. a fight that escalated to further violence is not unique to a certain genre of music.

but there is no doubt that just as electronic nights tend to be more conducive to people who use drugs , hip hop nights tend to bring a more violent type to those events as well.

There is nothing more politically incorrect than the business of planning a club night. And club promoters know that the number one way to get the crowd you want is music selection. But then these same promoters will turn around and distance the connection when something bad happens.

Its pure hypocrisy.

Do you guys think hiphip will ever die in this fuckin city or is this just begining.I ask this from alot of people and they say it is and will get bigger then now.So if thats a case prepare yourself because the worst is yet to come,more shootings and more fuckin wanksters.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 yes and yes.... it was in the HIP HOP room by a thug that shouldnt have even been in there. I was in the room at the time

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Was it not outside the club cause the f**khead guv bouncer kept buddies large stash?

And was the bouncer just shot or shot dead???

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Do you guys think hiphip will ever die in this fuckin city or is this just begining.I ask this from alot of people and they say it is and will get bigger then now.So if thats a case prepare yourself because the worst is yet to come,more shootings and more fuckin wanksters.

Actually i think there are a lot more commercial house nights re-emerging across the city. There will always be hip hop and a thug element just like in the 90s but i think the mainstream is starting to slowly move away from it. Look for rock and house (and by extension the underground) to be dominant in the next few years.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Actually i think there are a lot more commercial house nights re-emerging across the city. There will always be hip hop and a thug element just like in the 90s but i think the mainstream is starting to slowly move away from it. Look for rock and house (and by extension the underground) to be dominant in the next few years.

I sure hope you are right,because I really have had it with thugs and their shit music.I hope the new generation of clubbers realize that there is better music out there.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Do you guys think hiphip will ever die in this fuckin city or is this just begining.I ask this from alot of people and they say it is and will get bigger then now.So if thats a case prepare yourself because the worst is yet to come,more shootings and more fuckin wanksters.

As long as Hip Hop music is the mainstream music of today's youth it will only grow...once a new form of music takes over then the scene will change again. I am just waiting for the day when Irish Folk music becomes the main stream music.

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Originally posted by TrickDaddE J Was it not outside the club cause the f**khead guv bouncer kept buddies large stash? And was the bouncer just shot or shot dead???

Excuse me but thats total disrespect. That guv bouncer was probably the most polite and cordial security guy they had. The reason he got shot was becuase some little punk ass thug from regent park was trying to pass initiation. The problem is that he got caught thanks to the fact that the security standing next to him acted professionally and apprehended the guy.

And yes it occured in the orange room and yes the bouncer was killed. I watched him die right in front of me.

The most infuriorating part of that night was remembering the media quote people saying that "they didnt even turn off the music after the person was shot " trying to make it look like we were insenstive...yeah thats because first we didnt realize what had happened and then when we figured it out me and the dj were hiding behind the concrete pillars in the dj booth trying to save our own asses.

Fucking media....


Please have some respect in certain situations.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Actually i think there are a lot more commercial house nights re-emerging across the city. There will always be hip hop and a thug element just like in the 90s but i think the mainstream is starting to slowly move away from it. Look for rock and house (and by extension the underground) to be dominant in the next few years.

i wish thats what would happen

but i think it wont todays youth are all thugs even kids like 10-11
shit will only get worse i think

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Originally posted by Carney i wish thats what would happen but i think it wont todays youth are all thugs even kids like 10-11 shit will only get worse i think

im glad kids are into it at 11. Why? Because those kids will have grown out of it by the time they are 19. Not to mention the older kids will look at their kid siblings and cringe that they are into the same things they are. Its almost as effective as parents liking their kids music.

LOL

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I am just waiting for the day when Irish Folk music becomes the main stream music.

baaaaahahha that would be awesome.

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Originally posted by Mr. Furious Match. Set. Point.

--> Game. Set. Match. ?

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