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Originally posted by Nullistic I agree that it caused ATTENTION, but not the RIGHT kind of attention this guy wanted, BECAUSE of the way he said it. He caused the wrong kind of attention to himself, granted it attracted many people to the forum, but so what? The tune sucked, they posetd their comment, the track got a few listeners, doesn't mean it's changed the world cause they heard it. Posting a "hey guys, new track" may not lead as many people in, but the ones that do come in, will usually leave a significant and valuable opinion to your post. A remedy would be to meet in the middle of "new track, check it out" and the exact opposite. Somewhere between the two, would work perfectly. // From what you're saying, and i'm being serious, I guess we should just do the "moronic" thing, and post pompous, misleading, false information to lure people on to our threads as well then. Hey, if it grabs attention, then I guess that's what we need, don't we.

He got both the WRONG and the RIGHT... and hell he got a lot of the RIGHT... check out some of the reviews, they're actually reviewing his track... not just his attitude.

I'm not saying you should... there are 2 ways you can go about luring attention. The way he did it was the disrespectful way... now people aren't going to think so highly of him, but he got all the attention he wanted... but the RIGHT way of getting attention, being humble about your tune, won't get you as much, but at least you'll have respect in the forums and people will like you as a person.

If you want a comparison that's easy to understand. Think of a person who does something really wild or dumb to get their 15 minutes of fame, as opposed to one who does something constructive. The one who did the stupid thing to get the 15 minutes is going to get more fame in the shortrun but the constructive person will get more fame in the longrun.

Yeah, there was nothing wrong with his attitude in the first place to begin with. Except the thread title.

They're reviewing it, but does it mean they're gonna keep it and add this to their winamp playlist? Highly doubt it. The best thing I'd hope for, is him actually adhering to what the reviewers actually posted, so he could improve himself as a producer. So in that perspective, he did gain the right attention yes.


It's all about first impressions in the thread topic world, post a crappy thread title, no one notices. Post something idiotic and pompous, all of a sudden, you get all the attention. People need to learn to be a bit more open minded when viewing threads on TA, sometimes the best stuff, is hiding in the least noticeable places.

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The one who did the stupid thing to get the 15 minutes is going to get more fame in the shortrun but the constructive person will get more fame in the longrun.

I agree.

okay i can agree with all that.

this actually sounds alright.. some very interesting sounds in there.

it could use some work, though. the kick is drowned by the bassline, and the track doesn't seem to have a defined structure. also, the melody you introduce round about 07:00 is very cheesy indeed, you should have left that one out.

this track has potential, though.. i'd love to hear a full on psy mix of this

ABSOLOUTLY RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i feel cheated in listening to this.
when i see a title "signed to a label" i automatically view cos im interested in how others got signed....

i have posted one demo on this site a month or two ago calling it 'm.i.k.e style trance'.... possibly a bit cheeky but people commented that it was reminicent of m.i.k.e.s work. i got several nice replies from the likes of 'subtle' with constructive crit...

i have been a trance addict since 97' and have been mainly influenced by m.i.k.e s work. and am slowly learning the ins and outs of cubase sl2.

i am sending my stuff to labels like club elite, armada, oxygen, black hole, 5am, bonzai etc etc. no joy yet but thats because labels like these are the best and im obviously not at that level yet.

however recently i have had numerous good replies from dj's so hopefully im on my way...

i think it is very unfair on the many highly talented producers who post their tracks on here and then be over shadowed by posts like this.

its a great shame.

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Originally posted by Adambomb337 There is a lack of chrisitans who produce music so you may be right about them signing almost anyone.

i'm with gerry cueto on this one... c'mon now... a record label that's based solely on christian artists??? absolutely nothing about your song is christian. i mean, it would make more sense if the songs on this label have like people chanting bible verses in teh trance song or like some sampled vox saying christian stuff...

... but this is normal trance music, only getting attention from this label because they are christian artists.



that sounds a bit... off. so let me get this right: if i came up with a decent trance track, it wouldn't get any attention from this label because i'm not christian?

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Originally posted by EtherealSL ... but this is normal trance music

not even that.. lol he even claimed it wasn't a trance song... and said it was oldschool happy rave or something like that.

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Originally posted by EtherealSL that sounds a bit... off. so let me get this right: if i came up with a decent trance track, it wouldn't get any attention from this label because i'm not christian?

exactly! it's more of a contest of who loves Jesus more than actual quality of music. They probably require you to post some background info about yourself, like what church you attend what you do as service in your church or something, or else they won't even look at you.

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Moolow posted: There's nothing wrong with this tune. very good overalltrack! But, it sounds a bit old. It could have been taken from an old ravemission or trancemaster(for example) from 1994 or 1995. Keep it up!

THANKS! that's exactly what I was going for, a classic rave sound! I'm glad you enjoyed it

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Nullistic said: yeah that's a pretty powerful quote right there. it hits me hard, but makes me laugh at the same time. In all seriousness, I heard the track as well, and I wasn't surprised. Just as previously stated, when someone puts up a title thread like that, it just screams "Look at me! I'm pro now! My track is GOOD, no if ands or butts about it!" But you did say you didn't intend on making it seem that way. Tip: Next time, just post up a simple thread, "New track, check it out guys". It somehow grabs more people's attention more so than "NEW TRACK! RECORD LABEL DEAL!", you know what I mean. Although I never spend much time getting into flame wars, or even bothering (I see it as pointless sometimes), this one just caught my eye. My recommendation, keep producing, don't let this "label" get to your head, and as someone else stated, always keep progressing with your sound. Be diverse with your music, aim for different sounds, but the key is produce produce produce. If a label sees that you can't keep up with the times, and just sticking to the same old sounds, then how do you expect your music to sell? You have to be able to show the label different sides of your music and sound all the time. Well, heh, not THIS label you're signed with anyway, they seem to be accepting anything remotely related to christian belief, no matter how bad* it is :P.

thanks for the advice! ya, I tried to change the title of this thread but it doesn't show up in the list as changed...
There's a lot of other people who really enjoy this track so I wouldn't say that the label made a mistake...

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TOR said: this actually sounds alright.. some very interesting sounds in there. it could use some work, though. the kick is drowned by the bassline, and the track doesn't seem to have a defined structure. also, the melody you introduce round about 07:00 is very cheesy indeed, you should have left that one out. this track has potential, though.. i'd love to hear a full on psy mix of this

thanks! You're right about the kick and bass, hopefully that will get changed. thanks. I'm actually co-producing some psy trance right now so that influence probably caused a lot of the randomness. If I ever do a psy remix, I'll let you know!

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richg101 said: ABSOLOUTLY RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i feel cheated in listening to this. when i see a title "signed to a label" i automatically view cos im interested in how others got signed.... i have posted one demo on this site a month or two ago calling it 'm.i.k.e style trance'.... possibly a bit cheeky but people commented that it was reminicent of m.i.k.e.s work. i got several nice replies from the likes of 'subtle' with constructive crit... i have been a trance addict since 97' and have been mainly influenced by m.i.k.e s work. and am slowly learning the ins and outs of cubase sl2. i am sending my stuff to labels like club elite, armada, oxygen, black hole, 5am, bonzai etc etc. no joy yet but thats because labels like these are the best and im obviously not at that level yet. however recently i have had numerous good replies from dj's so hopefully im on my way... i think it is very unfair on the many highly talented producers who post their tracks on here and then be over shadowed by posts like this. its a great shame.

I'm sorry it turned to this. I wasn't trying to get this much attention. I hope you get accepted to one of those labels someday

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EtherealSL said: i'm with gerry cueto on this one... c'mon now... a record label that's based solely on christian artists??? absolutely nothing about your song is christian. i mean, it would make more sense if the songs on this label have like people chanting bible verses in teh trance song or like some sampled vox saying christian stuff... ... but this is normal trance music, only getting attention from this label because they are christian artists. that sounds a bit... off. so let me get this right: if i came up with a decent trance track, it wouldn't get any attention from this label because i'm not christian?

I personally don't know a lot about the label, but maybe they had some trouble before with other artists. Maybe they only sign chrisitans because there's more of a chance that they wouldn't be drunk while doing a live DJ set or PA or getting high... Maybe it was an issue of reliability and morality. I really don't know.

People can thank God for the beauty in nature seen around them but nature isn't chanting the bible. I believe it can be the same for an instrumental song.

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gerrycueto wrote: exactly! it's more of a contest of who loves Jesus more than actual quality of music. They probably require you to post some background info about yourself, like what church you attend what you do as service in your church or something, or else they won't even look at you.

A label having a contest for who loves Jesus more and ignoring the music... that's pretty ridiculous lol where do you come up with these things?

The kind of reactions you're gonna get have nothing to do with the track itself, it's all in the context of how you present it. Claiming some crap about labels isn't really gonna impress anyone here, it'll just set them up to be dissapointed. Just look at the almighty LORD OF BASS, greek's #1 hardstyle composer/producer!!!1111oneoneone If he had presented himself like everyone else he wouldn't have been flamed. Yes his track wasn't all that great, but instead he would've received constructive criticism and support from everyone here. And the whole "christian label" thing just adds to it, because we're all used to christian labels spewing shit all over the place, and it's artists and company having "holier-than-thou" inflated egos about it.

Just out of curiosity.... are there actually any MAJOR christian trance labels out there, with some quality choonage to boot? 'Cause I wouldn't know.

It was just running through my head as I was reading through all these posts.

not that i would know of... www.tastyfresh.com is like a Christian TA... so maybe they would be the people to ask. They have some interesting topics I've never seen before.. like DJ led worship... If anyone here has every been to something like that, mind posting a review? I've been to band-led worship churchs by friend's invitations, but I thought it was very boring, and it was an odd site to see... there was this one girl that kept saying Amen every 2 seconds and going up infront of the church making a scene.

I was reading some of the posts and they said that supposedly it's a DJ playing trance and techno but a 3rd CD deck has sermon peices mixed in, or maybe a live preacher over the music... and then there were ones of some crap ones of DJs mixing in lame Christian pop music into their trance sets... (now those I will make sure not to go!) Man I can't stand the Christian pop radio for 2 seconds... it's some rediculously crap music and most to all of them have the same lyrics... "Let every tribe and toungue confess his name" it's a heapload of crap if you ask me.

Just the whole idea of seperating the rave culture to Christianize kind of works me up... raves and EDM were meant to bring people together not to seperate them based on religious beliefs. You have to at least give it to Digital Aura and Adambomb for posting here... That would be something unlikely for any Christian guy to do ("mingle with the outsiders omg god's gonna fire me [literally]") and Christian labels should be concerned more about quality overso if their artists are Jesus followers or not ("oh but that's being a sellout.. we're supposed to be sold out for jesus").. get a life.. seriously.. and that's why Christians are by far the most uninteresting people to be around with (there are a few exceptions though, as with everything) but it's about time you guys start thinking for yourselves. They make all these blind decisions, claiming it was a revelation or some sort of divine inspiration. Like my friend who moved to Venezuela because God told him to, he moved there right before Chavez got in there and now he's screwed... and wished he woulda stayed. I'm not doubting that there could be divine inspirations, but Christians keep claiming to get them all the time. As if God always speaks to you whenever you're in the toilet with your newspaper.

Hey. Can we please let this thread die. People have vented themselves enough. We all understand how the people here on TA stand on this track. My own personal opinion of the track isnt too high but hey, avoid the damn thread then. I mean fuck... talk about beating the hell out of a dead horse then driving over it with a tank. Leave the poor guy alone.

Cheers,
Zac

lol just trying to answer Nullistic's question... not trying to beat the guy up.. It's up to the guy who started the thread or the moderater to close this thread... I mean.. if you want me to stop posting I will, but that won't stop others from posting.

Hey. I wasnt meaning you specificly. The entire atmosphere throughout the entire thread has been bitching. Minus a very few posts, everyone has been bitching and whining about this guy being too cocky with his thread titles. If you didnt like the track, atleast be nice about it people. I mean come on. We should be a critical community but also we should be a supportive community. I'm all for posts that point out why the song 'sucks' or it 'bad' and definantly pointing out points about the song that are good but comments that do nothing to help him out are just pointless. I'm not a moderator and if I was one, I wouldnt shut this post down but I'm a little dissappointed at the lack of actual reviews in this thread. Go ahead, post away but lets think more about stuff that helps him out and stuff that isnt so harsh against him.

Cheers,
Zac

yeah, i only had one last question but in no way was i meaning to bash the guy even more if that's what you thought. anyways yeah, this will be my last post, hopefully he can learn from any positive reviews left here =)

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Originally posted by Adambomb337 Maybe they only sign chrisitans because there's more of a chance that they wouldn't be drunk while doing a live DJ set or PA or getting high... Maybe it was an issue of reliability and morality.

RELIABILITY? wtf...


w/e, this is my last post too, enough time wasted... i could have spent my time better getting drunk and high and being unreliable and immoral like all other non-christians.

what garbage lol hahah

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Originally posted by Adambomb337 it might sound cheesy cause I was going for the classic rave sound. Do you think achieved that? what is it that makes it poorly produced? How can I improve?

It sounds like Mr. Roboto...

I bet armada picked this one up

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Maybe they only sign chrisitans because there's more of a chance that they wouldn't be drunk while doing a live DJ set or PA or getting high... Maybe it was an issue of reliability and morality.

Okay now you really don't know what you're talking about. So you're saying that Christians are the only people you can depend on? Dude, it's time to stop living in your Christian box and meeting people outside of your own religion.

My dad's pastor (from a REAL christian church) is the most unreliable guy on the planet. He says he's going to see a particular family, then always asks for a raincheck... says he's gonna be here for that.. then can't make it.

It also shows how much you know about DJing in general. I don't know what clubs you've been going to, but THERE ARE NO DRUNK DJS ALLOWED PERIOD!! If a club owner finds out a DJ was drunk or high and really fucked up the set, he's not playing there anymore!

Yeah, I don't know where you heard that misleading information from. I've never heard of a DJ playing sets DRUNK. Reliability and morality? Now you're being bias, and subtly hinting that the christian way is unlike no other. *rolls eyes* Now I see how religion can distort the perception of life around you, that's not good.

You need to quit while you're ahead before people start flaming on you more by these things you come up with.

he was just joking i think ...

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Originally posted by Nullistic I've never heard of a DJ playing sets DRUNK.

Then obviously you havn't heard DJ Jean @ Sensation White 2005

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Originally posted by Allen&Bream Then obviously you havn't heard DJ Jean @ Sensation White 2005

hahaha!

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