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lol, whatever, it doesn't matter. The point is the same.

http://www.discogs.com/release/24823

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Originally posted by narcism melbs answer to marco v = prog his turned to the dark dark side

its great isnt it

..it'd werk too, melbourne used to be the home of techno. and its a bit of a prog haven atm, put em together with a sprinkle of trance and there ya go lolz.

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Originally posted by Ghostface yeah fair call, though Fergie got to #8 on the dj mag poll when he played hard house so when he is #1 headliner at Slinky, it�s fair enough that he drops a couple of big tracks from that period. I don�t think anyone could argue two classic hard house tracks in two and a half hours is much of an issue anyway. Kaos still sucked. Sand In My Shoes and Breathing? he should go to the bass station naughty room for that.

I saw Kaos at 3D friday night and he wasn't up to his usual standard then either. I remember his set at Digital was awesome right from the start, but what I heard friday was really weak in comparison.

signum - what ya got for me (ilogik remix) may have been what he played and that is hard house/trance

Back to the topic of this thread, i love trance music my favourite djs would be pvd

But i think no trance can compete with the energy of hard dance music, try listening to the nu energy collective and say they don't have energy, listen to the new transmission black magic cd,
monochroma - yoji biomehanika, that song is awesome or IK (the yoji remix) play that song fucking loud and the energy is undeniable.
Just like nothing can beat trance when it comes to melody and basically putting you in a trnace, i.e, pvd live at rosmenatques? rave, when he finishes of with jose amenesia - the eternal the feeling i get when hearing that cannot be described in words.

Therefore i think gk would benefit by having a hard dj who can create the energy that would compliment the melody and euphoria the trance djs would create

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Originally posted by taubs But i think no trance can compete with the energy of hard dance music

disagree. i'm not trying to put you down in any way, but (proper) trance is one of the most energetic genre of EDM out there. the other being detroit techno. this might lean slightly towards personal preference, but listen to timo maas - ubik or der schreiber or even quench - dreams and tell me if those track doesnt make you want to dance. to say that tracks needed to be hard and fast to be energetic is just plain silly. listen to proper hard trance like the original second trip and even at 138bpm its still full of energy.

what's with you fkn...



and the genre classifications.

DOOF DOOF DOOF.

marco v am win.

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Originally posted by tachyon quench - dreams

quality. definitely gots the energy.

NU NRG @ ORGASMATRON.

`nuff said.

Taubs i think you'll find that the problem with hard style is that it's just not accessible enough for the masses, especially at 6 am.

Trance is just hard enough to please some of the hard crowd while being soft enough to not alienate the proggier mob etc.

To get into hard style(generally) you have to really like ur music fast and with very little variation musically.

Agree with Tachyon on not needing to be fast to be energetic.

One of the most energetic sets i ever saw was John Kelly at Home, Sydney, for the gatecrasher world wide live tour . Absolutely tore place apart start to finish at no more then 137 bpm to a crowd that normally go for hard trance to .

Keep in mind, closing sets are tricky because the crowd has probably danced their arses off all night already, and if they are munters probably have everything wearing off around this time anyway.

The closing act needs to carefully balance driving tunes to keep ppl rocking, and still not going to hard the whole time so that it all becomes a head fuck.

Hardstyle just doesn't have enough variation to do this properly imo.

I agree with what your saying, and i see where your coming from, i really don't like hardstyle, there is a diffrence between that and hard trancce/house/nrg, hard to explain but blutonium boy, dj virus and some of the recent nik fish cds do nothing for me.
i suppose its just me, pvd and nu nrg makes me wanna dance (he's about the only trance dj), tiesto sounds great but i listen to it to go to sleep, but for me nothing creates more energy and nothing makes me wanna dance more than good hard dance

Thought BK was rather crap @ slinky [couple weeks ago now]. He didn't seem to have the crowd going and it wasn't until he played revolution that people got into it - bit sad.

James Lawson however tore the place apart - played two sets, first one at 12am - twisted psy with bit of hard dance and another closing set - mostly main room hard dance, had the place in the palm of his hands.

Fergie was rather drunk [read: absolutely blind!] staggering round offering a bottle of vodka to anyone who came within range.

top night tho

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Originally posted by queen_vee Lack of hard dance in Melbourne? About bloody time! I think this year's GK lineup can only be a great thing for the dance/trance scene. I maintain hard dance cannot be enjoyed unless copious quantities of drugs were consumed in the first instance... and the memory of a great night was left with an incredibly false impression of how good the music actually was. Bring on the musical, melodic headliners and may more people realise how beautiful trance can really be.

I hope you're a girl cause now i want you!!!!!!

anyone who thinks hardstyle and hard trance/dance are the same thing or even similar are totally wrong.
hardstyle is shit IMO, hard trance on the other hand can be awesome.
taubs try get a hold of yoji @ sensation black 2004, awesome set.

I agree with scotty, my recent shop on recess records under the trance genre turned rather shity!!! 3/4 of the tunes under that category for the week were really fast and banging crap! every baseline sounded the same, there a generally two types of the same build ups that eventuate into the same crap and the tunes themselves have little talent put behind them like they've been created in some sought of a playstation game, hard trance is played to fast imo, fast doesn't make things hard, there's plenty of hard tunes out there that dont beat as fast as a woodpecker's beak in a tree stump. Quality trance nights are focused around quality trance and thats it, if harder styles were good enough, there would be more harder style raves but there's not. THANK GOD!

trev, paragraphs are ur friend!

wow - hard dance enthusiasts complaining???

Fixation
Basstation
Bubble
Hard Kandy
Xsive
PHD
Ascend
3d

vs

5am (monthly at best)
transcend (monthly)


am i the only one that finds this whining about hard dance comical?

no nick, you're not the only one with shit stains in his undie...

.. i agree with what you're saying.

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Originally posted by -=M=- wow - hard dance enthusiasts complaining??? Fixation Basstation Bubble Hard Kandy Xsive PHD Ascend 3d vs 5am (monthly at best) transcend (monthly) am i the only one that finds this whining about hard dance comical?

I think he was more referring to the lack of hard dance at big events, not within the club scene.

How you figure that? there is always a kandy/ bass station room and midro in the main room?

yes, and there's always hard dj's playing right before international uplifting dj's. its one thing people have been complaining about since the year 2000.. so tell me how does someone start a thread stating theres a 'lack of hard dance'.

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Originally posted by DaveBegic yes, and there's always hard dj's playing right before international uplifting dj's. its one thing people have been complaining about since the year 2000.. so tell me how does someone start a thread stating theres a 'lack of hard dance'.

Hey yeah, I got caught in the Tiesto adulation at Together and didn't want to miss the start of his set.

My night was nearly ruined when the superstar man was late and I ended up listening to, I think, 25 minutes of Midro... that alone nearly did my head in! Props to the man for his massive local following, but does Midro play extra loud or what??

Also, what exactly is a closing set? I still believe a decent main room closer could (should?!) let us gently down after a big night. I still remember Gods last year, heading back down to the tennis centre in the morning and daylight was flooding through the skylights. People were still rocking so, so hard to incredibly pounding music and the whole sight was just... scary!

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Originally posted by DaveBegic yes, and there's always hard dj's playing right before international uplifting dj's. its one thing people have been complaining about since the year 2000..

Yeh! wtf's with scott alert playin before signum?!? (was it him or ajax?!? I dun rememba).

As above- good on him for being so locally established but just a little more flow (forethought by FE) would have been appreciated! Maybe it's just the chinstroking minority that would notice that.. and perhaps the rest of the punters wouldn't really give a shit.. and the majority is what you have to cater for, and that is why FE is such a juggernaut )

Nick.

Take away Hard Kandy, Xsive, Ascend. They are no more apparently

Point taken, local hard trance DJ's do often play main stage at big events.. but maybe he meant international hard trancers on the main stage??

Im just clutching at straws now haha!

Thats exactly what i'm saying dude, i realise there is a good local hard dance scene, but when it comes to big festivals there is a lack of what i categorise as international hard dance dj's.

Yes they have smaller rooms, but when was the last time scott project, yoji biomehanika, cosmic gate, hennes and cold, etc played at anything bigger than pharmacy. (yes, advetjah and digital did have big name hard dance djs, but they were the only ones i can think of in the last three four years (know someone is going to prove me wrong))

I'm big fan of progression through out the night (or in a set thats why i love pvd), but i think it would be awesome to have
progressive trance -> trance -> more enrgetic trance -> than pumping hard trance/dance.
i.e. armin -> pvd -> lee haslam/ johan gielin -> YOJI

I agree with ya taubs

But I think this is the wrong forum to express that opinion, since you know it isnt cool to like hard trance here...

How I envy seeing the Defcon, Sensation Black, Qontrol, Intenze lineups... I see the big wig trance djs play at big events like Two Tribes, GK and it doesnt get the dance floor moving, sure its nice to listen to but dancing is another thing....

I know exactly what you mean about the energy hard dance provides, I notice at those big events (TT, GK) when a hard dance track is dropped the crowd is alot more active and energized.

Hard dance is nobodies cup of tea on this board, theres the select few that do enjoy it tho
I'd love to see Yoji or Scot project or Derb on the decks at Vodafone arena.
It does confuse me a bit tho, hard dance and hard trance is obviously huge in Melbourne, yet the big events are saved for trance djs... Lets hope the Pharmacy crew start securing bigger venues

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