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Posted by k la on Jun-21-2005 13:45:

Re: k la

quote:
Originally posted by dark _entity
2nd of all I'm not to impress with E.V.�s over all sound of their tops in other words the cabinets that reproduce the highs and mids; the way that they are built there are way to many highs, and very little mids therefore the sound is very ear piercing. As far as I remember Kool Haus has an E.V. setup. Over all I would say E.V is a good for Live P.A and symphony orchestra reinforcement, but its not ideal for the club setup simply because the sound isn�t warm enough.

The Docks, even though they have the Dynacord system and as they say in their press release it is one of the "best" setups in the world, can't touch Republik, the sound doesn't sound crisp, and the bass can't even kick, simply because of two reasons a) Docks is a giant warehouse that lacks acoustics and b) their sound system is not properly tweaked. Boa does have a great sound, but its simply because they were smart purchasing one of the perfect acoustic sounding buildings in Toronto, the club was a movie theatre before, and therefore it was built for acoustics.

Seeing as dark_entity is the only one that had anything intelligent to say...

E.V. and Dynacord are the same. They are both owned by Telex Communications and run on the same technology. If you look at anyclub with a dynacord soundsytem they have Electro Voices at strategic positions. For example, the dj booth, or in back rooms. You are right that many clubs that install Electro Voices are installing a system designed for a concert or symphony, much like the old system soundbar system. Anything from Telex communications is going to blow the competition out of the water if installed in the right situation. EAW is no where near the quality of Telex Communications.

The Apogees carry some of the deepest rib raddling bass. Yes I am aware of their potential to blow. I have helped Carlos install the system at a few raves.

There is so much more to bass the vibration. The bass at Republik reminded me of an AudioBahn car sub.

Yes Boa sounds great as they have an accoustically sound building, but also as the system matches it. The Alpha system is one of the few systems that is soley designed club use. If we look at Europe, which sets the trends, most systems at quality clubs use the Dynacord, especially in Germany. While the Docks doesnt have the greatest accoustics, there is no denying this system still pumps. There is a clarity to every sound. Its crystal clear, something I did not find at Republik.

Posted by Jayx1 on Jun-21-2005 13:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Wyndham
lofl that was hilarious...but true.
I'd love to see this grand wizard of old skool trance k la whip up a set for us all.
I love this line the best..."The track selection was tolerable, but no where near as good as some of the tracks he layed down in the past" hahaha my god u really don't know ur songs????
Man he dropped bomb after bomb..new, old, remix, etc.. His set flowed beautifully, espically the baselines from track to track. Johan knows exactly how to keep people moving, even the asians were under his spell lol..and thats impressive.

haha RIP trance....spread the word TA's...shows over

Yeah the only "trance" i heard was the really old stuff he played. Otherwise it was mostly tech and techno type beats which is why i was getting into parts of the set. Trance from 1999-2000 is over. It would be like me pining for funky house from the 90s. That stuff just aint happening anymore.

Posted by zoogla on Jun-21-2005 14:11:

quote:
Originally posted by k la
The bass was at best muffled. It had no punch what so ever, of course this would be expected when each bin consisted of one 15" woofer. Dont get me wrong, in comparison to most clubs it was good, just not at the same level as the rest of the Republik. Compared to Stereo, The Docks or Boa, the system at Republik is sub-par.

WTF?!?!! I'm not experienced enough to comment on sound systems, nor do I know the technical specs involved, but my internal organs have never been shaken as much as they were at Republik. I was standing in front of the DJ booth (not the center of the club) and I remember having to scream (the way you do on a rollercoaster to reduce the effect of the drop on your body) at the club!!!! I REMEMBER CONSCIOUSLY THINKING THAT!!! And a couple of girls I was dancing with were signalling to me that their bodies were totally getting blasted with the bass!!! IT WAS AWESOME!!!

quote:
Originally posted by dark _entity
The Docks, even though they have the Dynacord system and as they say in their press release it is one of the "best" setups in the world, can't touch Republik, the sound doesn't sound crisp, and the bass can't even kick, simply because of two reasons a) Docks is a giant warehouse that lacks acoustics and b) their sound system is not properly tweaked. Boa does have a great sound, but its simply because they were smart purchasing one of the perfect acoustic sounding buildings in Toronto, the club was a movie theatre before, and therefore it was built for acoustics.

Wow this makes perfect sense to me!!! Well said. I remember when I was walking up and leaving the front stage to say bye to Swamper and I kinda started to feel queazy because there was SO much bass, right at the front corner of the stage where the stairs go up...I was actually kinda nervous my internal organs would explode (or at least be affected somehow)!!! Went WAY beyond "tickling my feet", RobbyG!

I was wearing ear plugs the whole time!!! Mind you, I feel the bass is deeper and plusher with plugs. Also after a night like Gielen where the sound was so awesome, I think it's good to wear plugs if you don't want your ear drums bloody.

EDIT:

quote:
Originally posted by TranceGrooves
Oh and by the way k la if your review is based on you standing outside the club as you werent able to afford the cover to get in then my friend you are right. The night did suck ass and there was no sound no bass and nothing at all.

Trancegrooves, I disagree. I was parked in the parking lot and in P3 I could STILL HEAR THE BASS!!! IT WAS FRICKIN NUTS!!! I was smiling to myself as I was entering the elevator (loud as hell and shaking stuff in that little ticket-paying room) and was shocked when the reverberations were still entering my car. UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE.

Posted by starsearcher on Jun-21-2005 14:24:

lol 200+ pics...nice work Nat...can't wait to have a look

Posted by RobbyG. on Jun-21-2005 14:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
Trance from 1999-2000 is over. It would be like me pining for funky house from the 90s. That stuff just aint happening anymore.

Totally DISagree...ALL music is timeless...

Posted by djbruuen on Jun-21-2005 14:58:

its not even worth the argument, because everyone enjoyed the sound system except k la...there will always be complainers, face it.

Posted by Jayx1 on Jun-21-2005 15:14:

complainers and promoters from other nightclubs...

yes...

Posted by Wyndham on Jun-21-2005 16:14:

Re: k la

quote:
Originally posted by dark _entity

Republik is one of the best sound systems that I have heard in ages, the sound is perfect, the highs and mids reproduce the crisp and at the same time its warm sound and the subs fill in the rest. if you were at R at the end of the night when Johan was closing you would have heard the full range of the system. They got the highs that carry the music, the mids that fill in the sound with warmth and the lows that kick and fills in the rest.

bingo

jayx1..i was just jokin when i said trance was dead.. he was playin all trance..it all just had a heavy thumping baseline..thats why everyone couldn't stop moving.. trance is never gonna die..just changes as the years go on... is alternative the same as it was back in the 90's with pearljam, nirvana etc? no.. but is rock dead? no.. neither is trance

but anyways...back to johan..... he was the shit..can't wait to see him back again.. and does anyone know if republik is trying to get a regular sun trance night going? or just every few sundays?

Posted by techead on Jun-21-2005 16:18:

Re: k la

quote:
Originally posted by dark _entity
OK BUDDY 1st of all EAW is one of the best manufacturer's for speaker components in the world I don't know where you are coming from, but everybody knows that; GUV's main room has EAW speaker components installed; the boxes themselves are designed by Steve Dash of Phazon. Apogee is a nice way to go, but there is only one problem, nobody carries them in Toronto, I only know of one person who has the Apogee cabinets, and that would be Carlos from A.C.S., and as far as I remember Carlos is not planning to resell them. Another thing about Apogee is that their bass bins are very easy to blow, you can ask Carlos about it.

2nd of all I'm not to impress with E.V.�s over all sound of their tops in other words the cabinets that reproduce the highs and mids; the way that they are built there are way to many highs, and very little mids therefore the sound is very ear piercing. As far as I remember Kool Haus has an E.V. setup. Over all I would say E.V is a good for Live P.A and symphony orchestra reinforcement, but its not ideal for the club setup simply because the sound isn�t warm enough.

The Docks, even though they have the Dynacord system and as they say in their press release it is one of the "best" setups in the world, can't touch Republik, the sound doesn't sound crisp, and the bass can't even kick, simply because of two reasons a) Docks is a giant warehouse that lacks acoustics and b) their sound system is not properly tweaked. Boa does have a great sound, but its simply because they were smart purchasing one of the perfect acoustic sounding buildings in Toronto, the club was a movie theatre before, and therefore it was built for acoustics.

Now back to the topic: Republik is one of the best sound systems that I have heard in ages, the sound is perfect, the highs and mids reproduce the crisp and at the same time its warm sound and the subs fill in the rest. Vertex did an awesome job tweaking the P.A., mad respects to those that setup �R�; if you were at R at the end of the night when Johan was closing you would have heard the full range of the system. REPUBLIK = E.A.W Components + Vertex Setup = PROFESSIONALLY INSTALLED SOUND SYSTEM . They got the highs that carry the music, the mids that fill in the sound with warmth and the lows that kick and fills in the rest.

Posted by techead on Jun-21-2005 16:20:

Re: k la

Posted by Jayx1 on Jun-21-2005 16:31:

trance isnt dead..but the fluffy epic stuff from the turn of the century sure is..

(thank god)

Posted by zoogla on Jun-21-2005 16:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
trance isnt dead..but the fluffy epic stuff from the turn of the century sure is..

(thank god)

NO!!!!!!!!!!1 Fluffy epic stuff like Southern Sun, Never Look Back, Beautiful, IS NOT DEAD!!!!!

*cries as he slowly realizes the truth*

P.S. Santa Claus exists, please don't ruin this.
P.P.S. I wasn't being sarcastic, I will always love epic trance. Nothing lifts me higher (not even E).

Posted by Jayx1 on Jun-21-2005 16:39:

I got lifted once...

the barbara tucker stopped singing... LOL

Posted by RobbyG. on Jun-21-2005 16:46:

I dunno how you can "dissect" each club's soundsystem like that because it ALL sounds too damn loud anyway & thats why I wear ear plugs

Posted by Jem_hadar on Jun-21-2005 16:51:

quote:
Originally posted by fayraree
NO!!!!!!!!!!1 Fluffy epic stuff like Southern Sun, Never Look Back, Beautiful, IS NOT DEAD!!!!!

*cries as he slowly realizes the truth*

P.S. Santa Claus exists, please don't ruin this.
P.P.S. I wasn't being sarcastic, I will always love epic trance. Nothing lifts me higher (not even E).

Ahh, I'm with ya Fay, 100% love for the epic uplifting trance! That's what truly fuels my blood and gets my heart and mind going like nothing else.

I agree, epic trance makes me soar even better than a e*bomb!

Posted by zoogla on Jun-21-2005 16:54:

Re: Re: k la

quote:
Originally posted by techead
HELLO its about the music

+1

By the way, when I said in a previous post that the above made sense to me, although I didn't feel the bass the same way (in Republik) as at the Docks, it doesn't diminish Danny T at the Docks as the best party I've ever been to in my EDM n00bl4r life...the bass from DT's music was ripping.

Sorry--totally off-topic.

Posted by iLLnaDa on Jun-21-2005 17:26:

quote:
Originally posted by fayraree
NO!!!!!!!!!!1 Fluffy epic stuff like Southern Sun, Never Look Back, Beautiful, IS NOT DEAD!!!!!

*cries as he slowly realizes the truth*

P.S. Santa Claus exists, please don't ruin this.
P.P.S. I wasn't being sarcastic, I will always love epic trance. Nothing lifts me higher (not even E).

E doesn't even come close man!! Epic trance is NOT fluffy ..maybe ppl's ears got some nasty fluff but epic is DEFINITELY KEY!!!! :d

Posted by magikb on Jun-22-2005 00:49:

Re: Re: Re: k la

quote:
Originally posted by fayraree
+1

By the way, when I said in a previous post that the above made sense to me, although I didn't feel the bass the same way (in Republik) as at the Docks, it doesn't diminish Danny T at the Docks as the best party I've ever been to in my EDM n00bl4r life...the bass from DT's music was ripping.

Sorry--totally off-topic.

LOL.. sorry.. I couldn't resist...

A month later and he is STILL posting about Danny T... damn, you need to stay away from Danny T for awhile.. no BeB for you

Posted by Waltr on Jun-22-2005 14:39:

Generally I make it a rule not to respond to this type of comment but Kla... where did you come from??? Or better... what club??? EV is low end compared most brands and theatres use product such as Meyers, VDOS and only the price conscious theater will use EV, JBL or EAW. EV and JBL is good sound but not close to the quality or volume capability of EAW and Dynacord. Dynacord is very good and yes its part of the EV family and sounds fantastic but unless you load the subs you just don�t get the horsepower just like JBL and EAW. By the way the reason that Apogee is not in clubs is that it�s expensive and not very loud and there�s more suitable for less. Yes I can say that since I have heard most of the rigs available and yes it�s my opinion. As for the republik sound... Its customized EAW rig with custom designed sub and hit boxes. It has enough juice to shake the building and a few people have seen us do exactly that. It�s tuned exactly how we like it and if ya don�t like it... Sorry, but we do and and the 1000+ people last Sunday seem to agree.

As for the first masters series it was fantastic... Johan is a legend and will be back again this year... Dennis was brilliant as usual and the party was off the hook!

See everybody at wemf!

Master Series V2 in July TBA very soon!

Posted by Jayx1 on Jun-22-2005 14:42:

schooled!!!!!!

Posted by starsearcher on Jun-22-2005 14:44:

^^ Holy moly that was a lot of jargon I don't know anything about anything you've just mentioned but sounds good!

Posted by zoogla on Jun-22-2005 15:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Waltr
Master Series V2 in July TBA very soon!

July was supposed to be a one-party month for me (WEMF) but then it became 2 (Above & Beyond) and now 3 (Master Series V2)...

Posted by k la on Jun-22-2005 15:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Waltr
Generally I make it a rule not to respond to this type of comment but Kla... where did you come from??? Or better... what club??? EV is low end compared most brands and theatres use product such as Meyers, VDOS and only the price conscious theater will use EV, JBL or EAW. EV and JBL is good sound but not close to the quality or volume capability of EAW and Dynacord.

Last I heard we were talking about club speakers, not theatres? So how does this come into play with sound at Republik.

EV is low end... uh huh! So this is why dj after dj raves about any club with a Telex Communications package. I say this, as all the monitors in a Dynacord set up are EV. I find it amusing that world class djs (Danny Tanaglia) have said that for the first time in their life they could hear the difference between cd and records in a club... only when on an alpha concept system. Now, an alpha concept system is half EV and half Dynacord. For example, the 15" woofers in a alpha concept system are EV, the amps uses are the EV P-RL series remote-control amps with DSP and IRIS control software, and of course all the monitors are EV. So what gives here??? As all these big djs talk about the superior sound, yet EV makes crappy, money consious speakers! I suppose Danny T doesnt really know what hes talking about, but for some reason I dont think thats the case.

Next, you need to make up your mind, is EAW good or bad. In one sentace you rant and rave about the system at Republik, which is EAW, but in another you say only the money consious will use EAW... so which one is it?

You knock JBL, funny as much of the Guv is JBL. JBL is a part of the phazon package. I guess the Guv is money consious?! LOL

You talk about volume capability... oh I get it now, this is where the real problem arises. I think we all have a DIFFERENCE in views as per what good sound is. SPL is WAY over-rated. Kind of like those guys that install the most SPL crazy subs in their car, sure it pushes mad amounts of air, but it lacks definition and clarity. When you listen to a Dynacord system, one is usually most impressed with the incredible clarity of the music, how you can feel the bass, but also hear its punch. At Republik the bass was muffled, once again, yes, it moved air and you could feel it vibrate, but Im not in to that grade 10 pimped out car sub sound. I much prefer hearing every note of the music as it was meant to be heard. I guess its like judging a speaker by its watts, many go one about how many watts a speaker is, but a good speaker is going to be lower watts as the engineers know how to utilize energy instead of waste it through low end coils.

I find it funny that people can knock EV, especially seeing as they hold many of the patents for loud speakers!

1) The invented Manifold technology --- Manifold Technology allows the combining of the outputs of multiple drivers into a single horn or low-frequency enclosure without destructive interference. The result is a physical package that is a fraction of the size with much greater acoustic output capability.
2)Ring-Mode Decoupling (RMDTM) --- Ring-Mode Decoupling (RMDTM), a revolutionary approach to minimizing acoustical and mechanical resonances in loudspeakers. Speaker systems with RMD have improved clarity and resolution, especially in the vocal range.
3)Constant-directivity (CD) horns --- Constant-directivity (CD) horns, which allow a loudspeaker to maintain its coverage angles over a wide frequency range with more uniform sound quality.

Oh and lets not forget EV has also won an acadamy award for its role in enhancing sound for movies... funny to your previous comment eh!

Lastly, in regards to Alpha concept systems, they are the ONLY complete package system designed SOLEY for dance music... naturally Id imagine its going to have an edge on the competition!

Schooled, I dont think so... Working for another club, lol, no... Im just a sound junkie. The first thing I do when I go to any club is check out the speakers. If im not framiliar with the model I will often check out the pdf on its stats the second I get home. I love quality sound, that is all. I wonder how many of you claiming I must work for another club, work for Republik... oh the irony!!!

Posted by TheVrk on Jun-22-2005 16:37:

Another show i had 2 miss

Posted by zoogla on Jun-22-2005 18:37:

quote:
Originally posted by k la
Im just a sound junkie. The first thing I do when I go to any club is check out the speakers. If im not framiliar with the model I will often check out the pdf on its stats the second I get home. I love quality sound, that is all.

I respect sound junkies!!! Do IMAX theatres have better sound than night clubs?

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