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Originally posted by squirrelly Actually he's quite right about the pills that are prescribed by psychiatrists. You'd be surprised at the amount of times that pills are incorrectly prescribed. Misdiagnosage is a larger problem than most think. And actually, Ritalin is one of the most abused prescriptions, and the number of children misdiagnosed and given this prescription is staggering. Not only that, but most pills actually are useless, because it's just supressing underlying emotions. You can run as far as you want, and take as many pills as you want, but if you don't come face to face with the underlying issues, the depression, anxiety, whatever, will remain. I don't believe taking pills for the rest of your life is the answer. Don't get me wrong, I am impressed with the psychological advances that have been made, however, I strongly disagree with the thought of an individual being tied down to medication for the rest of their lives in order to mask some underlying problem. *edit Tom Cruise is really rude in that interview.

If it wasn't for Zoloft, I wouldn't be here right now.

When you find yourself extremely depressed, why don't you just go and "face your problems".

You have face it everyday, thats why you take medication to help you find the strength to start dealing with your problems.

It's uninformed opinions like yours and Tom Cruise's that outrage me.

Seems they have real doctors on the show to talk about Tom Cruise and chemical imbalances today!

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Originally posted by Nou it was I KNOW THE HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT INVOLVES XENA, I MEAN XENU?!

OMG XENATOLOGY?!

ARE YOU A XENATOLOGIST!?

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Originally posted by placebo It's uninformed opinions like yours and Tom Cruise's that outrage me.

I can't stand judgemental ppl who are like I over came problem xyz by meditating so everyone else should do the same. Are ppl over reliant on drugs in this society to solve problems? Sure but, that doesn't invalidate responsible use to alleviate legitimate conditions.

Cruise beliefs are those of his Scientologist inflexible religion doctrine not on scientific facts. So its no surprise he can't debate the issue or allow exceptions for certain conditions. Its always a bad thing when religion gets involved in science. Reminds me of the creationist who are telling us evolution is a pseudo science.

What I loved was how many times Tom said that he has studied the history of psychiatry so he's right and the doctors are wrong. What's even better though is how he offers absolutely nothing to back up his position. I mean really, if you're going to say the entire medical community is wrong you may want to have some studies or hard evidence to back up your claims.

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Originally posted by squirrelly I can introduce you to a few

As I'm sure you could

I'll keep you informed!

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Originally posted by placebo If it wasn't for Zoloft, I wouldn't be here right now. When you find yourself extremely depressed, why don't you just go and "face your problems". You have face it everyday, thats why you take medication to help you find the strength to start dealing with your problems. It's uninformed opinions like yours and Tom Cruise's that outrage me.

Talk about making assumptions. You don't know anything about me, and yet you went ahead and said that I have an uninformed opinion.

I've taken Zoloft.

You know what it did? It made the opposite effect. Instead of making me happier, it made me want to kill myself. I would cry for hours, and really not have a reason to. I've taken so many different varieties of "psychiatric" drugs, you'd be surprised. The only thing they did was make me worse.

What, you think you're the only one who got diagnosed with depression? I've gotten "diagnosed" with a bunch of bullshit. In the end, I sat down and reviewed my journals and realized I had only gotten worse since I started taking those pills. I promptly decided to stop taking them, and do something about my problems myself. I started living a healthier life, took out the negativity, moved to a new place. I looked into herbal remedies and organic lifestyles. I made a conscious decision to make my life better. To pull myself out of the depression.

You have no idea what I've been through in my life, so you have no right to judge me about whether or not I know anything about psychiatric pills. Not only have I taken them, but I've watched loved ones fall into a zombie like state for the rest of their lives because that's what they were told they were supposed to do. That was the right way for them to live. According to whom? Everyone I know that has taken some sort of psychiatric pill and stopped, has agreed that life has been so much better without the pills, and that the pills only made them worse. Take a look around you, I bet more people than you think take a damn pill every single day.

I think one grand thing that may keep minds closed towards Scientology is that almost everyone and their goldfish are medicated. It's a sore subject with most. I could assume their beliefs to feel almost like a personal attack. And to say chemical imbalances don't exist?! After hundreds and hundreds of years of hypothesizing, field studies, investigating, researching by scientists, whom devote their whole lives to solve puzzles of the human psyche, etc? And to say their attempts were all in vain? If for example, I was schizo and was told my mental state was merely an illusion, all I need to do was excercise and take walks in my local park? I would blow...

I've never taken meds, but family members have. Squirrelly, they've said the exact same thing. To be honest, my mother wasn't hired because she had taken meds many years before. Almost a form of discrimination?

Oh, this is the book I was referring to:

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Originally posted by Estella I think one grand thing that may keep minds closed towards Scientology is that almost everyone and their goldfish are medicated. It's a sore subject with most. I could assume their beliefs to feel almost like a personal attack. I've never taken meds, but family members have. Squirrelly, they've said the exact same thing. To be honest, my mother wasn't hired because she had taken meds many years before. Almost a form of discrimination? Oh, this is the book I was referring to:

To be honest, I really don't know much about the hiring process because I'm not actually a Scientologist. There might be more to it than that... I'm not exactly sure. If you'd like, I could ask him a bit about it?

I'm not trying to make any personal attacks on people, I just feel very strongly about the subject. It makes me furious that I've had to basically watched loved ones disappear. I say that because they become emotionless with their meds, and their personality almost disappears. I doubt that they are happier, they just are in such a zombie like trance, they don't know the difference. And after they take them for a substantial amount of time, there's no turning back. Side effects are permanent, and most come to like that zombie trance.

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I've seen that book around and thought about picking it up before.

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishma...ar.html?FACTNet

"The founder of this enterprise was part storyteller, part flimflam man. Born In Nebraska in 1911, Hubbard served in the Navy during World War II and soon afterward complained to the Veterans Administration about his "suicidal inclinations" and his "seriously affected" mind. Nevertheless, Hubbard was a moderately successful writer of pulp science fiction. Years later, church brochures described him falsely as an "extensively decorated" World War II hero who was crippled and blinded in action, twice pronounced dead and miraculously cured through Scientology. Hubbard's "doctorate" from "Sequoia University" was a fake mall-order degree. In a I984 case in which the church sued a Hubbard biographical researcher, a California judge concluded that its founder was "a pathological liar."

Hubbard wrote one of Scientology's sacred texts, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, in 1950. In it he introduced a crude psychotherapeutic technique he called "auditing." He also created a simplified lie detector (called an "E-meter") that was designed to measure electrical changes In the skin while subjects discussed intimate details of their past. Hubbard argued that unhappiness sprang from mental aberrations (or "engrams") caused by early traumas. Counseling sessions with the E-meter, he claimed, could knock out the engrams, cure blindness and even improve a person's intelligence and appearance.

Hubbard kept adding steps, each more costly, for his followers to climb. In the 1960s the guru decreed that humans are made of clusters of spirits (or "thetans") who were banished to earth some 75 million years ago by a cruel galactic ruler named Xenu. Naturally, those thetans had to be audited.

An Internal Revenue Service ruling in 1967 stripped Scientology's mother church of its tax-exempt status. A federal court ruled in 1971 that Hubbard's medical claims were bogus and that E-meter auditing could no longer be called a scientific treatment. Hubbard responded by going fully religious, seeking First Amendment protection for Scien- tology's strange rites. His counselors started sporting clerical collars. Chapels were built, franchises became "missions," fees became "fixed donations," and Hubbard's comic-book cosmology became "sacred scriptures.'"

Yeah, I'm behind your thinking on the adverse affects of medication 110%. I've witnessed it myself, also. I edited my original post, though. hahaa. I can be a bit wishy-washy on this subject matter. I tried reading it years ago, but it was way over my head. Now I'm sparked to give it another attempt.

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Originally posted by igottaknow http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishma...ar.html?FACTNet "The founder of this enterprise was part storyteller, part flimflam man. Born In Nebraska in 1911, Hubbard served in the Navy during World War II and soon afterward complained to the Veterans Administration about his "suicidal inclinations" and his "seriously affected" mind. Nevertheless, Hubbard was a moderately successful writer of pulp science fiction. Years later, church brochures described him falsely as an "extensively decorated" World War II hero who was crippled and blinded in action, twice pronounced dead and miraculously cured through Scientology. Hubbard's "doctorate" from "Sequoia University" was a fake mall-order degree. In a I984 case in which the church sued a Hubbard biographical researcher, a California judge concluded that its founder was "a pathological liar." Hubbard wrote one of Scientology's sacred texts, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, in 1950. In it he introduced a crude psychotherapeutic technique he called "auditing." He also created a simplified lie detector (called an "E-meter") that was designed to measure electrical changes In the skin while subjects discussed intimate details of their past. Hubbard argued that unhappiness sprang from mental aberrations (or "engrams") caused by early traumas. Counseling sessions with the E-meter, he claimed, could knock out the engrams, cure blindness and even improve a person's intelligence and appearance. Hubbard kept adding steps, each more costly, for his followers to climb. In the 1960s the guru decreed that humans are made of clusters of spirits (or "thetans") who were banished to earth some 75 million years ago by a cruel galactic ruler named Xenu. Naturally, those thetans had to be audited. An Internal Revenue Service ruling in 1967 stripped Scientology's mother church of its tax-exempt status. A federal court ruled in 1971 that Hubbard's medical claims were bogus and that E-meter auditing could no longer be called a scientific treatment. Hubbard responded by going fully religious, seeking First Amendment protection for Scien- tology's strange rites. His counselors started sporting clerical collars. Chapels were built, franchises became "missions," fees became "fixed donations," and Hubbard's comic-book cosmology became "sacred scriptures.'"

Yes! I was looking for that. A friend was telling me their beliefs were stemed basically from a Sci-fi novel which was written in very recent years. Squirrelly, that's why I thought it may just be a Hollywood, face value, trendy fad which would dissipate in a couple of years. But, the company my uncle works for, assigned all employees to read "Dianetics." That's how I was introduced. I'll still give it a go. Or try at least. I'd like to see what all the commotion is about.

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Originally posted by igottaknow http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishma...ar.html?FACTNet "The founder of this enterprise was part storyteller, part flimflam man. Born In Nebraska in 1911, Hubbard served in the Navy during World War II and soon afterward complained to the Veterans Administration about his "suicidal inclinations" and his "seriously affected" mind. Nevertheless, Hubbard was a moderately successful writer of pulp science fiction. Years later, church brochures described him falsely as an "extensively decorated" World War II hero who was crippled and blinded in action, twice pronounced dead and miraculously cured through Scientology. Hubbard's "doctorate" from "Sequoia University" was a fake mall-order degree. In a I984 case in which the church sued a Hubbard biographical researcher, a California judge concluded that its founder was "a pathological liar." Hubbard wrote one of Scientology's sacred texts, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, in 1950. In it he introduced a crude psychotherapeutic technique he called "auditing." He also created a simplified lie detector (called an "E-meter") that was designed to measure electrical changes In the skin while subjects discussed intimate details of their past. Hubbard argued that unhappiness sprang from mental aberrations (or "engrams") caused by early traumas. Counseling sessions with the E-meter, he claimed, could knock out the engrams, cure blindness and even improve a person's intelligence and appearance. Hubbard kept adding steps, each more costly, for his followers to climb. In the 1960s the guru decreed that humans are made of clusters of spirits (or "thetans") who were banished to earth some 75 million years ago by a cruel galactic ruler named Xenu. Naturally, those thetans had to be audited. An Internal Revenue Service ruling in 1967 stripped Scientology's mother church of its tax-exempt status. A federal court ruled in 1971 that Hubbard's medical claims were bogus and that E-meter auditing could no longer be called a scientific treatment. Hubbard responded by going fully religious, seeking First Amendment protection for Scien- tology's strange rites. His counselors started sporting clerical collars. Chapels were built, franchises became "missions," fees became "fixed donations," and Hubbard's comic-book cosmology became "sacred scriptures.'"

At least the christians came up with a plausable story
This guy is clearly taking everyone for a ride. Concocting more and more ridiculous bullshit as he went along for moneymaking purposes
at scientology

Anyone want to take a Scientologist quiz?

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishma...ge/ot3-quiz.txt

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Originally posted by Estella Yes! I was looking for that. A friend was telling me their beliefs were stemed basically from a Sci-fi novel which was written in very recent years. Squirrelly, that's why I thought it may just be a Hollywood, face value, trendy fad which would dissipate in a couple of years. But, the company my uncle works for, assigned all employees to read "Dianetics." That's how I was introduced. I'll still give it a go. Or try at least. I'd like to see what all the commotion is about.

Perhaps it is. I am simply supplying information that I happen to know about it. Again, I am not a Scientologist, and I never will be. I just know many people that are, so I provide information that they have given to me.

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Originally posted by igottaknow Anyone want to take a Scientologist quiz? http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishma...ge/ot3-quiz.txt

I found that frightening. I don't know why. I can't put my finger on it.

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Originally posted by Estella I found that frightening. I don't know why. I can't put my finger on it.

Probably because it's not real.

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Originally posted by squirrelly Perhaps it is. I am simply supplying information that I happen to know about it. Again, I am not a Scientologist, and I never will be. I just know many people that are, so I provide information that they have given to me.

You Scientologists. Always with the "I know this." and "You don't know the history of that."

Jehovah Witness' condone blood transfusions and holidays because they are "pagan." Catholics condoned birth control. Christians condone homosexuality. Others condone the killing of pests, the wearing of make-up until reaching a certain age. And please do correct me if I'm wrong on these beliefs.

What's the difference?

Im pretty sure he was joking, lol.

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Originally posted by squirrelly Probably because it's not real.

I thought you were going to say:

"No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of scientology. I do"

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Originally posted by igottaknow I thought you were going to say: "No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of scientology. I do"

No, that would make me as much of a jackass as Tom Cruise.

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Originally posted by squirrelly No, that would make me as much of a jackass as Tom Cruise.

I was j/k. No one is saying that you or Cruise should do xyz drug. Everyone reacts to drugs differently. But when Scientology and Cruise (their leading celebrity spokesman) brands the entire field psychology/psychiatry as pseudo science then thats just nonsensical. Just because anti-depressants aren't right for you doesn't mean they're no good for everyone else. Its not an all or nothing proposition based solely on your reaction.

i really am sick of tom cruise...


i was laughing my ass off at him at the MTV movie awards...he and katie holmes are truely obnoxiuos. lol

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Originally posted by igottaknow I was j/k. No one is saying that you or Cruise should do xyz drug. Everyone reacts to drugs differently. But when Scientology and Cruise (their leading celebrity spokesman) brands the entire field psychology/psychiatry as pseudo science then thats just nonsensical. Just because anti-depressants aren't right for you doesn't mean they're no good for everyone else. Its not an all or nothing proposition based solely on your reaction.

I've already stated in this thread that I'm highly impressed with the advances that have been made in the Psychological scene, but no one is going to change my mind about whether or not I think that prescriptions are necessary. I respect everyone's opinion though, and I hope that all these people that are defending the meds have had a good experience with them. After doing a study on them, however, with my Psych prof, and with my own personal experiences, I cannot say that I am for them. More props to those that it helps, I suppose, more power to those who like living like zombies.

I'm not saying that what Tom Cruise said was right, because I don't think that he was right about the whole field of psychiatry/psychology, I even said that previously as well. I simply agreed with the thought that many cases are misdiagnosed and that prescriptions harm more often than not rather than help.

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