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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer Hey they lie about everything and anything so why not 911? |
I bow down before your powerful argumentative skills
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| Originally posted by Yoepus I bow down before your powerful argumentative skills |
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| Originally posted by enferno yeah and the maerican government aparently knew about the 9/11 attacks. this kinda thing where the gov. knows some key evidence, but they withold it, doesn't seem logical to me at all |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer sure it makes sense,lets see,everyone including the American people hated Bush before 911 so 911 happens and he becomes the greatest preseident and gains peoples support.So 911 basically saved Bush's ass in the office and also gave him the green light to invade Iraq (war on terror,WMD bullshit). |
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| Originally posted by Yoepus sure that makes sense, because if some reporter, congress, or cia agent or whoever didn't play their part in this grand conspiracy, Bush would be charged for treason, impeached, and executed. Thats an awfully great risk to have for an easily compromised endevaour. |
Lending weight to the theory is the fact that all four men had paid up their parking tickets before boarding a train at Luton for King's Cross, and that they all bought return tickets to the capital.
The paper said the men were carrying their explosives inside rucksacks, not strapped to their bodies as is common practice among suicide bombers.
None were reported to have cried "Allah Akbar" (God is Greatest) before setting off their charge � something which most Middle Eastern suicide bombers do.
Police suspect bombers tricked
One of the London bombers was investigated by MI5 last year but was deemed not to be a threat, it has been revealed.
Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30, was subject to a routine assessment by the security service because of an indirect connection to an alleged terror plot.
MI5 said bomber was not a threat
The Mossad office in London received advance notice about the attacks, but only six minutes before the first blast, the paper reports, confirming an earlier AP report. As a result, it was impossible to take any action to prevent the blasts.
"They reached us too late for us to do something about it," a Mossad source is quoted as saying.
Mossad tells Brits: Same explosives likely used in Tel Aviv and London blasts
"The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag," he said.
"I was in tube bomb carriage - and survived"
It's so weird to see these delusional conspiracy theorist. I'm enjoying the show though, please continue
I heard Bush is profiting from us breathing oxygen, cause he like put nicotine in it, and now we are all addicited to oxygen, and like, his family owns an oxygen factory, so he makes like $2 billion a second from us.
Guys, the story doesent have to be so complicated and far-fecthed. While I admire conspiracy theorist' "quest" for "truth", I dont think it's cool to put a spin on events that ruined many lives, like these attacks, or those of 9/11. After all, delusional ideaology IS where the hatred terrorist have for the west come from.
You could choose to ignore this post, and you probably will, but think about stuff before posting it. I'm not gonna respond to this thread any more, but I will enjoy the mildly entertaining read.
I am saddened by the loss of life anywhere in the world regardless of background. But their names are not going to be lost in vain by what I perceived as a manufactured threat. I do not condone nor support violence of any kind. But I do support fact finding without profit. Since I am not ABCNNBCBS you find it hard to believe what I say or write hence the attacks on my character.
Conspiracy Theory:
Government agents conspire to commit treasonable acts of terror against the general public to sway their opinion against a created enemy to foster a reason to invade that country.
Fact:
Operation Northwoods, a 1962 United States Department of Defense plan to commit acts of terrorism (real and/or simulated) on American tourists in Cuba and blame them on the Castro government to encourage support for an invasion of the country to depose Castro, was long considered to be a groundless conspiracy theory until the project's documents were declassified and published. The operation was approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but was rejected by Defense Secretary Robert McNamara. General Lyman Lemnitzer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, was fired shortly after.
ABC News article on Operation Northwoods
Online copy of Operation Northwoods document
PDF version at George Washington University
Make a more educated reply to something you pretend to know. If you have anything worthwhile to say then your encouraged to say it.
You think it would be easy just to post jack boots at every street corner without merit? I didn't think so. People would complain why there are flak-jacketed police on the corner of Fifth and 57th or in this case Harrod's. But create a situation that warrants police presence then you'll feel safer. People cannot take to shock too easily unless they can be convinced it is for their own good. Hence the bombings. Thesis + Antithesis = Synthesis
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety
Benjamin Franklin
so wait a second you are saying that the british gov or american are doing these acts to get the support of the public? man i am pretty surprised thats pretty good thinking by the government.
Take it as you may.
How can anyone explain the detonation of military grade explosives?
Well theres an explanation to that.
You see there are officials who are corrrupt and they prolly sold those grenades in the black market. You can get anything in the black market nowadays.
Were those military grade explosives "british?" or were they coming from lets say Bulgaria. Well anyways like i said black market.
TAGGANTS IN EXPLOSIVES
Issue: Should taggants be mandated in commercial explosives?
Discussion: Taggants can refer to two types of marking technologies. Detection taggants are used to detect explosives before detonation. Identification taggants are intended to be used to trace explosive materials to their source.
The Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 requires detection agents for plastic explosives. Without detection agents, plastic explosives are difficult to detect and pose a safety and security threat in the hands of terrorists. It is possible to add these detection agents to explosives without compromising the performance of affected materials. IME supports the marking of plastic explosives with detection agents. However, identification taggants present a different story.
TAGGANTS IN EXPLOSIVES (an Institute of Makers of Explosives article)
In an age of widespread terrorism, the ability to trace explosives to identify their point of origin is vital to curbing further illegal acquisitions. Microtrace Microtaggant� Identification Particles are currently being used by explosives producers to comply with mandatory pre- and post-detonation identification requirements. The code material delivers the ability for law enforcement and government agencies to identify manufacturer, batch, distribution source and purchasers of explosives. Bulk Microtaggants may be incorporated directly into the explosives material, as well as in or on the packaging materials, detonation devices and other components associated with explosives. Please contact Microtrace directly for more information.
Explosives Tracing
if you could only tell that to all the families that lost a loved one...
I wish they were reading so they can ask the hard questions of why were there terror drills in New York and London on the day of the bombings. Of why certain people were notified of a bomb threat. Of why were there military grade explosives used that more than likely contained taggants making them easy to trace. Of why where we told right away that muslim extremists tied to Al-Qeada were responsible even though no one was heard to cry out Allah akbar.
These are questions no one is risking but save for a few lurkers who should remain anonymous. I am sure there are people that doubt the official story. Whether or not they should say anything here is not my concern. As long as someone is asking why to themselves so they can investigate.
After the grief, the oddity of all of this will be questioned.
but the truth wont come till like fifty years later.
"London knew about attacks?"
*cough*PearlHarbour*cough*
*cough*9/11*cough*
Comes a time (for some governments, quite often) when it is better to manufacture a situation that makes the government appear simply incompetent, rather than totally ignorant, out-of-touch, and ineffectual.
-Noble
Although announced yesterday while London was reeling from attacks on its mass-transit system, the MTA's plan to have the NYPD search subway riders' bags was in the works for weeks, the agency insisted. It spent lots of time formulating what sounds like a big hassle, but in these perilous times, bag searches are worth a try.
Searching for security in the subway (7/22/05 Editorial that appeared in print as well)
At present, the London underground has an analogue video network and video transmission at 180 stations. Confirmed by new reports, there are close to two thousand video cameras which monitor London's Underground and mainline rail stations...
....If the London Police CANNOT produce those videos they SHOULD possess, the accused 4 men, 3 supposedly with rucksack bombs, were NOT on the Underground train cars, did NOT detonate bombs! And the Police are LYING.
No Video of the 3 Bombers Inside the London Subway Cars before they blew up?
Obviously with cameras in place since the 90's did this not deter anyone from blowing thing up. If cameras were to be a deterrent then they fail to deter anything.
FBI documents obtained by The Times reveal details of how a London-based cleric sent Aswat to America in 1999 to set up camps in Oregon for US-born recruits.
The papers indicate that Aswat spent three months in America and engaged in firearms and poisons training, but decided against using a remote ranch in Bly as an al-Qaeda camp. The CIA is keeping in close touch with Aswat�s interrogation and British detectives are seeking permission to speak to him.
Key London bombs suspect arrested in Zambia
According to the sources, U.S. officials had located Aswat in South Africa weeks before the July 7 attacks that killed 52 bus and subway travelers and the four bombers.
U.S. authorities had asked South Africa if they could take Aswat into custody. South Africa relayed the request to Britain, but authorities there balked because he was a British citizen, the sources said. While the debate was ongoing, Aswat slipped away.
UK 'blocked bomb plotter' arrest
The Justice Department blocked efforts by its prosecutors in Seattle in 2002 to bring criminal charges against Haroon Aswat, according to federal law-enforcement officials who were involved in the case.
British authorities suspect Aswat of taking part in the July 7 London bombings, which killed 56 and prompted an intense worldwide manhunt for him.
But long before he surfaced as a suspect there, federal prosecutors in Seattle wanted to seek a grand-jury indictment for his involvement in a failed attempt to set up a terrorist-training camp in Bly, Ore., in late 1999. In early 2000, Aswat lived for a couple of months in central Seattle at the Dar-us-Salaam mosque.
A federal indictment of Aswat in 2002 would have resulted in an arrest warrant and his possible detention in Britain for extradition to the United States.
Effort here to charge London suspect was blocked
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 FBI documents obtained by The Times reveal details of how a London-based cleric sent Aswat to America in 1999 to set up camps in Oregon for US-born recruits. The papers indicate that Aswat spent three months in America and engaged in firearms and poisons training, but decided against using a remote ranch in Bly as an al-Qaeda camp. The CIA is keeping in close touch with Aswat�s interrogation and British detectives are seeking permission to speak to him. Key London bombs suspect arrested in Zambia According to the sources, U.S. officials had located Aswat in South Africa weeks before the July 7 attacks that killed 52 bus and subway travelers and the four bombers. U.S. authorities had asked South Africa if they could take Aswat into custody. South Africa relayed the request to Britain, but authorities there balked because he was a British citizen, the sources said. While the debate was ongoing, Aswat slipped away. UK 'blocked bomb plotter' arrest The Justice Department blocked efforts by its prosecutors in Seattle in 2002 to bring criminal charges against Haroon Aswat, according to federal law-enforcement officials who were involved in the case. British authorities suspect Aswat of taking part in the July 7 London bombings, which killed 56 and prompted an intense worldwide manhunt for him. But long before he surfaced as a suspect there, federal prosecutors in Seattle wanted to seek a grand-jury indictment for his involvement in a failed attempt to set up a terrorist-training camp in Bly, Ore., in late 1999. In early 2000, Aswat lived for a couple of months in central Seattle at the Dar-us-Salaam mosque. A federal indictment of Aswat in 2002 would have resulted in an arrest warrant and his possible detention in Britain for extradition to the United States. Effort here to charge London suspect was blocked |
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| Originally posted by TheNobleEu \"London knew about attacks?\" *cough*PearlHarbour*cough* *cough*9/11*cough* Comes a time (for some governments, quite often) when it is better to manufacture a situation that makes the government appear simply incompetent, rather than totally ignorant, out-of-touch, and ineffectual. -Noble |
From Dayside with Linda Vester, July 29 2005:
MIKE JERRICK [FOX NEWS]: John Loftus is a terrorism expert and a former prosecutor for the Justice Department. John, good to see you again. So real quickly here, have you heard anything about this Osman Hussain who was just picked up in Rome? You know that name at all?
JOHN LOFTUS: Yeah, all these guys should be going back to an organization called Al-Muhajiroun, which means The Emigrants. It was the recruiting arm of Al-Qaeda in London; they specialized in recruiting kids whose families had emigrated to Britain but who had British passports. And they would use them for terrorist work.
JERRICK: So a couple of them now have Somali connections?
LOFTUS: Yeah, it was not unusual. Somalia, Eritrea, the first group of course were primarily Pakistani. But what they had in common was they were all emigrant groups in Britain, recruited by this Al-Muhajiroun group. They were headed by the, Captain Hook, the imam in London the Finsbury Mosque, without the arm. He was the head of that organization. Now his assistant was a guy named Aswat, Haroon Rashid Aswat.
JERRICK: Aswat, who they picked up.
LOFTUS: Right, Aswat is believed to be the mastermind of all the bombings in London.
JERRICK: On 7/7 and 7/21, this is the guy we think.
LOFTUS: This is the guy, and what's really embarrassing is that the entire British police are out chasing him, and one wing of the British government, MI6 or the British Secret Service, has been hiding him. And this has been a real source of contention between the CIA, the Justice Department, and Britain.
JERRICK: MI6 has been hiding him. Are you saying that he has been working for them?
LOFTUS: Oh I'm not saying it. This is what the Muslim sheik said in an interview in a British newspaper back in 2001.
JERRICK: So he's a double agent, or was?
LOFTUS: He's a double agent.
JERRICK: So he's working for the Brits to try to give them information about Al-Qaeda, but in reality he's still an Al-Qaeda operative.
LOFTUS: Yeah. The CIA and the Israelis all accused MI6 of letting all these terrorists live in London not because they're getting Al-Qaeda information, but for appeasement. It was one of those you leave us alone, we leave you alone kind of things.
JERRICK: Well we left him alone too long then.
LOFTUS: Absolutely. Now we knew about this guy Aswat. Back in 1999 he came to America. The Justice Department wanted to indict him in Seattle because him and his buddy were trying to set up a terrorist training school in Oregon.
JERRICK: So they indicted his buddy, right? But why didn't they indict him?
LOFTUS: Well it comes out, we've just learned that the headquarters of the US Justice Department ordered the Seattle prosecutors not to touch Aswat.
JERRICK: Hello? Now hold on, why?
LOFTUS: Well, apparently Aswat was working for British intelligence. Now Aswat's boss, the one-armed Captain Hook, he gets indicted two years later. So the guy above him and below him get indicted, but not Aswat. Now there's a split of opinion within US intelligence. Some people say that the British intelligence fibbed to us. They told us that Aswat was dead, and that's why the New York group dropped the case. That's not what most of the Justice Department thinks. They think that it was just again covering up for this very publicly affiliated guy with Al-Muhajiroun. He was a British intelligence plant. So all of a sudden he disappears. He's in South Africa. We think he's dead; we don't know he's down there. Last month the South African Secret Service come across the guy. He's alive.
JERRICK: Yeah, now the CIA says, oh he's alive. Our CIA says OK let's arrest him. But the Brits say no again?
LOTFUS: The Brits say no. Now at this point, two weeks ago, the Brits know that the CIA wants to get a hold of Haroon. So what happens? He takes off again, goes right to London. He isn't arrested when he lands, he isn't arrested when he leaves.
JERRICK: Even though he's on a watch list.
LOFTUS: He's on the watch list.The only reason he could get away with that was if he was working for British intelligence. He was a wanted man.
JERRICK: And then takes off the day before the bombings, I understand it--
LOFTUS: And goes to Pakistan.
JERRICK: And Pakistan, they jail him.
LOFTUS: The Pakistanis arrest him. They jail him. He's released within 24 hours. Back to Southern Africa, goes to Zimbabwe and is arrested in Zambia. Now the US--
JERRICK: Trying to get across the--
LOFTUS: --we're trying to get our hands on this guy.
JERRICK: John, hang around. I have so many questions now.
LOFTUS: Oh, this is a bad one....
http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/ibl...457/E162650694/
As a former Justice Department prosecutor, John Loftus once held some of the highest security clearances in the world, with special access to NATO Cosmic, CIA codeword, and Top Secret Nuclear files. As a private attorney, he works without charge to help hundreds of intelligence agents obtain lawful permission to declassify and publish the hidden secrets of our times. He is the author of four history books, three of which have been made into films, two were international best sellers, and one was nominated for the Pulitzer Prize.
http://www.john-loftus.com/
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| Originally posted by Q5echo i'm glad you posted the links to your excerpts b/c they tell a much greater tale than the conspiracy that you are implying. give it up dude, you're on a wild goose-chase. |
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| Originally posted by halfofone off of a forum Military type explosives do not just get stolen/go missing without someone knowing, and if they do then what the heck do we have intelligence organizations for? |
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| Originally posted by TheNobleEu "London knew about attacks?" *cough*PearlHarbour*cough* |
don't do it TheNobleEu. he'll make you wish you had a better education.
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| Originally posted by occrider Sigh ... plese not this conspiracy theory again. I'm a history buff, and WW2 is a particular fascination, so what have you got and make sure it's good. |
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