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Posted by tjpatel on Jul-26-2005 20:27:

quote:
Originally posted by JenniferRene
hey...i'm outstanding.

p.s. i hope you're not really 73


i can be any age for u il mio amore


Posted by Hypersky on Jul-26-2005 20:28:

I'm wondering how many people who are attempting to discredit LIVE actually know how to use it, what its capabilities are, and are somehow intimidated by the prospect of having to learn a new technology from the ground up.

Love it or hate it. This is the technology of the future, and it is only the first product of many that will be released that challenge the status quo. Like it or not, the world of electronic music is based on technology, and anyone who wishes to compete in it in the future will either have to embrace it, or be left in the past.


Posted by Xtracktor on Jul-26-2005 20:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Zombie0729
every 'big' DJ we know is big because of his productions, thats why they get the big gigs.


This seems very familiar, oh yea you lectured me about this before!


Posted by DJFaded on Jul-26-2005 20:32:

I think people will start embracing Live more when they start building cool control pads and its not just like a straight up laptop. For now I dont think people are ready to accept laptops as the primary format/tool for DJ's. They feel they are getting robbed. For me, I dont care as long as the dj throws it downs and doesn't forget that he is playing in front of a crowd and not in their studio. Sasha has a controller but it's pretty gay. I'm talking cool looking keypads that have 5inch lcd screens and lots of cool lighted keys/pads or something along those lines. but laptop/computer mixing is still in its infant stages and is years away b4 it is a commonly accepted format for dj's to use.


Posted by tjpatel on Jul-26-2005 20:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Hypersky
I'm wondering how many people who are attempting to discredit LIVE actually know how to use it, what its capabilities are, and are somehow intimidated by the prospect of having to learn a new technology from the ground up.

Love it or hate it. This is the technology of the future, and it is only the first product of many that will be released that challenge the status quo. Like it or not, the world of electronic music is based on technology, and anyone who wishes to compete in it in the future will either have to embrace it, or be left in the past.


thats just like the internet


Posted by JenniferRene on Jul-26-2005 20:41:

Could someone tell me besides the notorious Gabriel and Dresden, who else uses laptops frequently? I�m curious.

tjpatel - I�m having trouble choosing between 73 or 13? Hehehe�..j/k


Posted by Clovis on Jul-26-2005 20:45:

quote:
Originally posted by JenniferRene
Could someone tell me besides the notorious Gabriel and Dresden, who else uses laptops frequently? I�m curious.

tjpatel - I�m having trouble choosing between 73 or 13? Hehehe�..j/k



Sasha
BT
James Zabiela
Nic Fanciulli
Tania Mann




Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head...


Posted by Clovis on Jul-26-2005 20:47:

quote:
Originally posted by DJFaded
I think people will start embracing Live more when they start building cool control pads and its not just like a straight up laptop. For now I dont think people are ready to accept laptops as the primary format/tool for DJ's. They feel they are getting robbed. For me, I dont care as long as the dj throws it downs and doesn't forget that he is playing in front of a crowd and not in their studio. Sasha has a controller but it's pretty gay. I'm talking cool looking keypads that have 5inch lcd screens and lots of cool lighted keys/pads or something along those lines. but laptop/computer mixing is still in its infant stages and is years away b4 it is a commonly accepted format for dj's to use.



Controller shouldnt really matter IMO as long as it gets the job done and people see that it is actually affecting the music. The new Allen & Heath Xone 3D looks AWESOME though...


Posted by tjpatel on Jul-26-2005 20:51:

quote:
Originally posted by JenniferRene
Could someone tell me besides the notorious Gabriel and Dresden, who else uses laptops frequently? I�m curious.

tjpatel - I�m having trouble choosing between 73 or 13? Hehehe�..j/k


how about 29


Posted by DJFaded on Jul-26-2005 20:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis86
Controller shouldnt really matter IMO as long as it gets the job done


It shouldn't matter but if you dont have any dj experience and are just a fan, then it does matter. part of seeing a dj is watching them work the crowd, not work the computer. it's cool to see a dj release vinyl or slam the play button on the cdj. but until they have cool controls to slam on to work with tracks, people just dont understand.....


Posted by Clovis on Jul-26-2005 20:54:

quote:
Originally posted by DJFaded
It shouldn't matter but if you dont have any dj experience and are just a fan, then it does matter. part of seeing a dj is watching them work the crowd, not work the computer. it's cool to see a dj release vinyl or slam the play button on the cdj. but until they have cool controls to slam on to work with tracks, people just dont understand.....



Yeah...but I can tell you when Sasha starts echoeing a part of a track into the next universe during a buildup he is definatley working the fucking crowd


Posted by DJFaded on Jul-26-2005 21:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis86
he is definatley working the fucking crowd


How about sasha work deez nutz..... can he do that??


Posted by Boomer187 on Jul-26-2005 21:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Zombie0729
every 'big' DJ we know is big because of his productions, thats why they get the big gigs.

Very rarely, VERY rarely do you see big DJ's w/ no productions under their belt. So to say, Producers make bad DJ's, you're labeling every major DJ as a bad one




I think I am talking about those who start off as producers and attempt to dj, then there are those who start off as djs, and then get into producing. There is a difference.


and cletus, beatmatchin is easy, why would anyone concentrate on that. didn't you say earlier that anyone can beatmatch?


Posted by Clovis on Jul-26-2005 21:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187

and cletus, beatmatchin is easy, why would anyone concentrate on that. didn't you say earlier that anyone can beatmatch?



Its easy but you still have to do it...and that takes more time away from actually thinking about the transition and the tracks.


Posted by Boomer187 on Jul-26-2005 21:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis86
Its easy but you still have to do it...and that takes more time away from actually thinking about the transition and the tracks.




it takes like 20 seconds :P



ill time myself....


Posted by Clovis on Jul-26-2005 21:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
it takes like 20 seconds :P



ill time myself....



lol. So essentially what you're sayin is DJing is easy as pie.


Posted by JenniferRene on Jul-26-2005 21:19:

quote:
Originally posted by tjpatel
how about 29


73-60+12 = 25???


Posted by tjpatel on Jul-26-2005 21:22:

quote:
Originally posted by JenniferRene
73-60+16 = 29???


Posted by Zombie0729 on Jul-26-2005 21:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
I think I am talking about those who start off as producers and attempt to dj, then there are those who start off as djs, and then get into producing. There is a difference.


boomer, tell me who you like as a DJ... and don't run around this question, but honest with yourself(and me)


Posted by tjpatel on Jul-26-2005 21:28:

bella nice smile


Posted by JenniferRene on Jul-26-2005 21:34:

quote:
Originally posted by tjpatel


hey you changed that....

btw your pic didnt work


Posted by DJ_Sudden on Jul-26-2005 21:34:

If the laptop is being used to beat match and perform every mix, then no.
If it�s used as another source of music like CDs and Vinyl, or samples or effects then yes.

A laptop software such as Ableton could deliver an amazing, flawless set in the right hands with good controllers, however, a flawless set made with cds and vinyl shows more of the DJ�s skills and abilities to beat match and mix and (in my opinion) will receive more feedback from the crowd simply because there is more energy and creativity involved and the mixing is live. By live I mean, being unable to preview your mixes and predicting them based on your own knowledge of the track and EQ levels. I love technology and believe it makes things amazingly faster, easier and more creative, however, when it is used to completely perform a task it takes the original vibe out of the live act. You could be more creative, because you don�t have to take the time to beat match, or make sure records stay in sync when you dj on a laptop, but then your are not really djing because there are no skills really required for performing a mix that is already done and could be previewed and fixed before it goes live. Someone mentioned that g&d�s set did not deliver as much energy for the crowd. I think that relates to what people expect from the performer. Some people(fans) go to see the dj�s beat matching ability and mixing skills combined with creativity and track selection. In my opinion if you take the ability and the hands-on, live skills out of the picture, there is only creativity remained, which by itself is not as energetic as all of them combined. Again, you might have a great, amazing set, but you did not DJ. I also believe that if laptops get more popular (which they will, since they are becoming more affordable), and the performer is only using his laptop, it should be specifically noted in the title of the event that this event is a laptop performance and not a dj set. Don�t get me wrong though laptops to me are like cd players: another source of music, samples and effects. I just think that a dj needs to have developed an EAR for music and beat mixing through practice.


Posted by tjpatel on Jul-26-2005 21:43:

quote:
Originally posted by JenniferRene
hey you changed that....

btw your pic didnt work


how about il yoh ha un sorriso piacevole bella


Posted by Boomer187 on Jul-26-2005 21:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Zombie0729
boomer, tell me who you like as a DJ... and don't run around this question, but honest with yourself(and me)




I've only liked a few djs, and those are the ones that blow me away, Eddie halliwell is the only name that comes to mind. I mean I've liked some stuff markus, armin, pvd, ferry and all them, but everyone likes them and they have some cool ass songs :P.


if you really wanted me to be honest I really don't listen to many djs anymore aside from the local faarsheed here. I honestly just like certain producers for their tracks, like max graham, junior jack, chris kaeser, steve angello, sebastian ingrosso to name a few. but thats only cause I spin their stuff.



im hard to please and not easy to impress


Posted by Boomer187 on Jul-26-2005 21:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis86
lol. So essentially what you're sayin is DJing is easy as pie.




i think you missed the whoel track selection convo...




hehe, essentially what I am saying is that beatmatching is easy as pie. that is all.


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