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Posted by daylightdancer on Jul-27-2005 23:33:

i listen to mostly

*AFI
*Nightwish
*Green Day
*Queen
*The Clash

thats really rare now though all i listen to is trance.


Posted by DJ_Lord on Jul-28-2005 02:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Lepanto
arguing about what bands are good or not is just retarded. Everyone knows that mainstream/bad bands suck but people still listen to them. Just like in EDM most lesse known and underground bands are what's really worth listening to.


If you were a popular dj what would you spin? Name some producers.

And YOU think mainstream bands suck, I think some mainstream bands are good even though they're famous which is not even a problem to me. If anything, "unknown" bands are "unknown" cause THEY are the ones that suck.


Posted by LeopoldStotch on Jul-28-2005 03:06:

too much metalheads hanging around here .. .. hahhhaa ..

i am a boring soft rock sap .. my likings are usually :

snow patrol
death cab for cutie
"early" to "mid" incubus
staind


i was into hard rock back then such as :

stone temple pilots

smashing pumpkins <== i am surprised no one mentioned them .. "melancholy and the infinite sadness" hands top 3 rock album of the 90s

nirvana / "early" foo fighters (combine them together, because of dave grohl)

"early" stabbing westward
kittie <- flame me here .. girl band, and i love them .. listen to "brackish" .. hahhahaha ..

and others ..


Posted by Goashem on Jul-28-2005 03:45:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ_Lord
If you were a popular dj what would you spin? Name some producers.

And YOU think mainstream bands suck, I think some mainstream bands are good even though they're famous which is not even a problem to me. If anything, "unknown" bands are "unknown" cause THEY are the ones that suck.

you couldnt get it more wrong. by your analysis someone like britney spears is the best artist out there. mainstream music is engineered specifically to attract a certain demographic with a simplistic catchy tune that plays throughout the song. its like a long jingle. and it has a constant promotion that "unknown" bands dont have/want. but for example take metallica. they were an "unkown" band that gone mainstream. theyre playing non conventional music yet theyre mega-popular, of course they still had to change their style to suit the demographic. so mainstream music is mostly targeted at little kids who do not yet fully appreciate music.


Posted by DJ_Lord on Jul-28-2005 05:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Goashem
you couldnt get it more wrong. by your analysis someone like britney spears is the best artist out there. mainstream music is engineered specifically to attract a certain demographic with a simplistic catchy tune that plays throughout the song. its like a long jingle. and it has a constant promotion that "unknown" bands dont have/want. but for example take metallica. they were an "unkown" band that gone mainstream. theyre playing non conventional music yet theyre mega-popular, of course they still had to change their style to suit the demographic. so mainstream music is mostly targeted at little kids who do not yet fully appreciate music.


it appears to me you skip words while reading a sentence.
but listen, look closely, VERY closely and you'll notice a four-letter word that says "SOME" as opposed to "ALL" which is a very broad term and i specifically wrote "SOME" for a reason so please pay attention, otherwise, be quiet. Thank you.

Now, your point is obsolete, just because a band is "unknown" doesn't mean they're good at all. I can't label music that easily. I'm not saying that I avoid listening to "unknown" bands by all means cause that's stupid. Although, I know what I like and I know what I want as soon as I listen to it, I don't need to search for "unknown" bands in the internet so I can feel like I "know" about music, those high school days are over for me.

Anyway, answer the question I asked to the other kid and also, what "unknown" bands don't maintain a "simplistic catchy tune". Besides, as you may know most songs or music in general should follow a certain pattern, and that's a known thing, or "unknown" bands don't do this? if not, what is it that they do that's SO special?
So name 5 or more, if you want, "unknown" bands that are OH-SO insanely good but CHOOSE not to be marketed in the music industry, please.


Posted by Goashem on Jul-28-2005 05:28:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ_Lord
it appears to me you skip words while reading a sentence.
but listen, look closely, VERY closely and you'll notice a four-letter word that says "SOME" as opposed to "ALL" which is a very broad term and i specifically wrote "SOME" for a reason so please pay attention, otherwise, be quiet. Thank you.

Now, your point is obsolete, just because a band is "unknown" doesn't mean they're good at all. I can't label music that easily. I'm not saying that I avoid listening to "unknown" bands by all means cause that's stupid. Although, I know what I like and I know what I want as soon as I listen to it, I don't need to search for "unknown" bands in the internet so I can feel like I "know" about music, those high school days are over for me.

Anyway, answer the question I asked to the other kid and also, what "unknown" bands don't maintain a "simplistic catchy tune". Besides, as you may know most songs or music in general should follow a certain pattern, and that's a known thing, or "unknown" bands don't do this? if not, what is it that they do that's SO special?
So name 5 or more, if you want, "unknown" bands that are OH-SO insanely good but CHOOSE not to be marketed in the music industry, please.


well in my analysis of what youve said i was refering to the statement "If anything, "unknown" bands are "unknown" cause THEY are the ones that suck" which you generalize all "unkown" bands as crappy. and when i say "unkown" i refer to those bands that i listed thats why i put them in quotes because frankly theyre not that unknown to those who love that genre. and you are right just because a band is unkown doesnt mean its good and just because a band is mainstream doesnt mean its bad. I just find that many of mainstream make music that does not appeal to me at all (ive listed the reason). and again its not about searching UNKOWN so i can feel i know about music its searching something thats good that you enjoy. if you feel like you enjoy whatever they play on mtv im not here to tell you that youre wrong and you shouldnt listen to them. and to answer your question, i would pretty much play every band that ive listed. check out Dream Theater - A Change Of Seasons 23 minute song not a single chorus.


Posted by apostrophe on Jul-28-2005 05:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Goashem
Dream Theater


Underrated band for sure. Not really my fav style, but a damn good listen.


Posted by DJ_Lord on Jul-28-2005 05:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Goashem
well in my analysis of what youve said i was refering to the statement "If anything, "unknown" bands are "unknown" cause THEY are the ones that suck" which you generalize all "unkown" bands as crappy. and when i say "unkown" i refer to those bands that i listed thats why i put them in quotes because frankly theyre not that unknown to those who love that genre. and you are right just because a band is unkown doesnt mean its good and just because a band is mainstream doesnt mean its bad. I just find that many of mainstream make music that does not appeal to me at all (ive listed the reason). and again its not about searching UNKOWN so i can feel i know about music its searching something thats good that you enjoy. if you feel like you enjoy whatever they play on mtv im not here to tell you that youre wrong and you shouldnt listen to them. and to answer your question, i would pretty much play every band that ive listed. check out Dream Theater - A Change Of Seasons 23 minute song not a single chorus.


alright so now we're getting somewhere, this means there is a small possibility you WILL enjoy a band featured on MTV then?

i know dream theater and i know the song. but thats just one song man, if they managed to make the same thing with several tunes it would be a different story, i guess that would prove part of you point. i have images and words and i must say, although its a great cd ive noticed that at least the first 5 tracks have choruses and guitar solos with typical 80s-metal-band vocals. so i need more. you put it as there are THOUSANDS of bands out there that pull it off.

also, i don't enjoy everything in mtv but i think they've helped out some bands that you listen to nowadays.


Posted by Goashem on Jul-28-2005 06:15:

heh yes ive actually said that i do enjoy some bands on mtv and i put System Of A Down as one. i also like Linkin Park. and as for Dream Theater, you HAVE to listen to Scenes From A Memory album, absolutley brilliant greatest master piece. and also songs like Space Dye Vest, The Mirror, Metropolis pt.1, Erotomania (though instrumental, but instrumental are incredible!), Home (but then again the entire scenes from a memory is brilliant), This Dying Soul, etc... there are plenty of bands that provide complex music without putting so much effort on repeating the same sound over and over the entire song, but though there are plenty that use choruses there isnt a big emphasis on the tune that plays during it. there is always plenty of amazing riffs and melodies surrounding the chorus and the verses.

well im off to bed, good night! hope we solved everything that wasnt clear before.


Posted by DJ_Lord on Jul-28-2005 06:32:

of course i agree with you on some bands. linkin park is great. yes, i have listened to that album too (my old roommate was a dream theater junkie).
well, if u know so many bands that provide this complex sound you're saying, do tell cause i'd be glad to represent the music of the future.

of course so i guess the conclusion is that mtv is not as bad as it seems.

alright buddy, goodnight.


Posted by Disco_Gibson on Jul-28-2005 18:24:

quote:
Originally posted by fuct4less

You, sir, win a bazillion and one internets for mentioning them. Agalloch is easily one of the greatest (yet unknown, sadly) bands of our time.

I'm more into Metal myself. Bands I'm currently digging:

Agalloch
Amon Amarth
At The Gates (pre-Slaughter of The Soul era)
Borknagar
Dark Tranquillity (pre-Projector, more or less)
Death
Enslaved
Extol (pre-Synergy)
Fear Factory (pre-Digimortal)
Finntroll
Fragments of Unbecoming
In Flames (pre-Clayman)
Insomnium
Katatonia
Meshuggah
Ministry
Moonsorrow
My Dying Bride
Napalm Death
Novembre
Obituary
Opeth
Sacrilege
Sepultura (before Max quit)
#

Yeh man Agalloch are unreal.Remind me of Opeth.

Definately goin for the 'old' Sepultura.Arise for me is in the top 5 greatest thrash albums ever recorded.love beneath the remains also.New sepultura is a joke eh?


Posted by DarkFall01 on Jul-28-2005 18:51:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ_Lord
i know dream theater and i know the song. but thats just one song man, if they managed to make the same thing with several tunes it would be a different story, i guess that would prove part of you point.



Check out Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, the 2nd CD, it's basically all just one song divided into different tracks.
Also from their last CD, the last song Octavarium (24mins long).
That's all I can think of right now, but they can pull it off more than once for sure

Other bands that you might enjoy with that progressive sound:

Rush
Liquid Tension Experiment
Steve Vai
Jordan Rudess (especially last album)
Symphony X
Planet X


Posted by Disco_Gibson on Jul-28-2005 19:15:

quote:
Originally posted by DarkFall01
Check out Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, the 2nd CD, it's basically all just one song divided into different tracks.
Also from their last CD, the last song Octavarium (24mins long).
That's all I can think of right now, but they can pull it off more than once for sure

Other bands that you might enjoy with that progressive sound:

Rush
Liquid Tension Experiment
Steve Vai
Jordan Rudess (especially last album)
Symphony X
Planet X


uh? your forgetting one of the greatest prog bands out there!...Queensryche!

'Operation:Mindcrime' for me is the best rock/metal/progressive/concept album ever made.Big claim i know but that album is just beyond anything else ive ever heard.Unbelieveable.


Posted by Parpyparpy on Jul-28-2005 19:16:

Porcupine Tree is definitely my favorite rock band right now.. Awesome stuff.


Posted by DarkFall01 on Jul-28-2005 20:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Disco_Gibson
uh? your forgetting one of the greatest prog bands out there!...Queensryche!


Well, I'm not a big fan of them, and besides, I'm at work, can't think of all the Prog bands I know Just mentioned the ones I like


Posted by Mebot on Jul-28-2005 20:12:

RE: dj lord and goashem

there's no such thing as "sucky" music. it's only in the ears of the beholder as to what he/she likes or dislikes.

its a matter of opinion regardless of maturity, popularity, creativity or success.

You listen to what you like and fuck everyone else who says otherwise. Just don't trash other people for their tastes.


Posted by Lepanto on Jul-28-2005 20:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Goashem
you couldnt get it more wrong. by your analysis someone like britney spears is the best artist out there. mainstream music is engineered specifically to attract a certain demographic with a simplistic catchy tune that plays throughout the song. its like a long jingle. and it has a constant promotion that "unknown" bands dont have/want. but for example take metallica. they were an "unkown" band that gone mainstream. theyre playing non conventional music yet theyre mega-popular, of course they still had to change their style to suit the demographic. so mainstream music is mostly targeted at little kids who do not yet fully appreciate music.


So true. Metallica was only good till they went really commercial though, Load/Reload sucked and Saint Anger was uter shit.


Posted by Disco_Gibson on Jul-28-2005 22:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Lepanto
Load/Reload sucked and Saint Anger was uter shit.


i have to disagree. i thouraghly enjoyed load and re-load.some really great tunes in there like..

until it sleeps
thorn within
aint my bitch
where the wild things are
devils dance
fuel
memory remains etc etc

i have to agree though on saint anger.pure steamy horse shite indeed...


Posted by KilldaDJ on Jul-29-2005 01:37:

dir en grey - i quite like them atm


Posted by Mystre on Jul-29-2005 01:59:

No ones really into christian hardcore eh

As I lay Dying
As Hope Dies
Darkest Hour
Haste the Day
It Dies today
Misery Signals
Killswitch Engage
Trivium
Still Remains
Underoath
The Bled
Himsa
Ill Nino
Saosin


Posted by Lepanto on Jul-29-2005 02:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Disco_Gibson
i have to disagree. i thouraghly enjoyed load and re-load.some really great tunes in there like..

until it sleeps
thorn within
aint my bitch
where the wild things are
devils dance
fuel
memory remains etc etc

i have to agree though on saint anger.pure steamy horse shite indeed...

I like until it sleeps but that's pretty much it. Honestly, I don't think of Metallica as GODS, they have only one full record that mesmorizes me and that's the near-holy Master of Puppets, every song on the cd is amazing. I don't like Kill 'em all too much and Ride the Lighting is selective.


Posted by Tech0rz on Aug-03-2005 10:27:

quote:
Originally posted by M@t
If i say Arctic Monkeys someone will call me a trendwhore but fuck it :D


Why would they? I like them, went watching them in my home town last night. What a fucking show, the atmosphere was electric. If you like them go watching them, they're touring atm. :D


Posted by Perfect_Cheezit on Aug-03-2005 11:41:

I'm big into all types of music. But since this seems to be a big metal thread, I'm gonna stick with the metal that I know and love.

In Flames
Messhugah
Dillinger Escape Plan
Converge
Napalm Death
Fear Factory
Shadows Fall
Siege
Psyopus
At the Gates
Dark Tranquility
Arch Enemy
Rhapsody
Opeth
Theatre of Tragedy
Metallica (I don't give a shit what all you poseur fuckheads have to say, these guys have produced some amazing work, far better than 90% of the music mentioned in this thread and on this entire website)











































REAAAAACH FOOOORRRR THEEEEEEEEE SKYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY (fear factory...nice)


Posted by Lepanto on Aug-03-2005 14:29:

I was thinking a few days at work listening to Metallica, and realized they do NOT have too many good songs lol


Posted by Tech0rz on Aug-03-2005 14:31:

but the good ones are really classics imo...


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