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Originally posted by occrider I don't quite see how you're addressing his arguments. As an \"American\" and a \"Libertarian\" myself, I don't see how laws and government contradict libertarian belief. What you seem to categorize as libertarian belief seems more closely aligned with anarchism.

haha, i wasnt meaning to address his arguments at all

and no, what i classify as libertarian thought is libertarian thought. you know, good ol stuff like john locke

the degree of privatisation prevalent in libertarian political theory creates a bunch of problematic issues. my favourite being that the basic rights that libertarians espouse as fundamental and inalienable are eroded by an unfettered & all-powerful free market. and an unfettered & all-powerful free market is the end result of classic libertarian thought.

meh. i just wanted to bash a liberal-bashing libertarian is all coz a true liberal is a libertarian with a bit of common sense imo

^^^^ I actually think that you and I may be more alike then you realize.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco Really? I wish I could recall that poll of the media done just about a year ago, where it was found that about 75% consider themselves to have a "Liberal" POV...

You crack me up, man.

Yeah right, "75% consider themselves liberal."

NOT ONE TV station/paper ever mentioned the Downing Memo. [It took British press to mention that, then the Post did a follow-up]
NOT ONE TV station/paper showed true Abu Ghraib photos [only foreign press did]
NOT ONE TV station/paper ever mentioned THIS story (in fact you've probably never even heard about this)

FACT from Washington Post columnist Jefferson Morley: An American who wants to keep abreast of what his country is doing will get much more information about it from foreign news outlets around the world.

"75% Liberal" MY F*ING ASS, man

They're probably "liberal" compared to the American definition of "conservative"

^^^(Been away for a few days due to a computer crash, so please forgive me for resurrecting old threads, but...)

I think you under-estimate the desire of the liberal element in our media to shoot down the Conservative element of our government.They hardly play honest, fair or nice...which leads me to believe that if anything, they and some of the foreign media must be quite bias at times.

And I don't think our media is holding back anything, so your implication that they are (whether out of ignorrance, or a sense of some abstract loyalty to conservatives), makes little sense as well.............unless you believe that it's all a grand conspiracy, which is the one thing I love so much about foreigners, lol; Their ability to think that the same Americans who can't get their heads out of their asses are yet capable of grand conspiracies involving thousands of people who are, for some reason, willing to play along and never tell the truth about said conspiracies??

Interesting hypothesis.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco ^^^(Been away for a few days due to a computer crash, so please forgive me for resurrecting old threads, but...) I think you under-estimate the desire of the liberal element in our media to shoot down the Conservative element of our government.

Yeah, you're probably right (actually I'd be happy if you were right), but whatever this 'desire' is, it can't be compared with the intensity and fervor of the conservative element to shoot down the liberal element.

As a matter of fact, all the "liberal element" is doing is trying to contain, rather than attack. The conservatives, vice-versa.

Bill Clinton circa 2000: "When a Democrat sits in the White House, it feels like he's renting property. When a Republican sits there, it feels like he owns the place."

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And I don't think our media is holding back anything, so your implication that they are (whether out of ignorrance, or a sense of some abstract loyalty to conservatives), makes little sense as well.............

Right, I don't think it's a 'conspiracy' or anything foolish like that, I just think that the American media is very cowed and afraid, or reluctant, to pursue some important issues. So much for 'free press.' It all comes from the fact that Americans are very deferential toward authority and especially the White House, and dare not challenge the government.

Off the top of my head, not one TV nework in America dared talk about a 1980s photo of Rumsfeld having a handshake with Saddam Hussein. Not one news talk show host ever brought it up.

(In contrast, the British have NO respect for their government and challenge it in any way they want, including the press.)

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Originally posted by donnybrasco Just a few short years ago, when the choice was either being part of a free country or soviet block country, the American way of life was by far the most popular dream for a lot of people around the world.

Typical American naivet�.

You might be surprised to know that Western Europe has a lot more in common with the Soviet way of life (e.g., Socialism, culture, etc.) than it does with the United States.

I'm talking about the Soviet way of life in the 70s, 80s, and 90s (i.e. not talking about concentration camps).

These days, if the choice were between the American way of life (increasingly difficult access to contraception and controversy about abortions) and the non-American way of life (free access to contraception and no controversy about abortions), what do you think most people in Europe and AIDS-ravaged Asia would choose?

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd Typical American naivet�. You might be surprised to know that Western Europe has a lot more in common with the Soviet way of life (e.g., Socialism, culture, etc.) than it does with the United States. I'm talking about the Soviet way of life in the 70s, 80s, and 90s (i.e. not talking about concentration camps). These days, if the choice were between the American way of life (increasingly difficult access to contraception and controversy about abortions) and the non-American way of life (free access to contraception and no controversy about abortions), what do you think most people in Europe and AIDS-ravaged Asia would choose?

Weren't concentration camps a part of the USSR during at least the early 1970s?

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Originally posted by ali92 Weren't concentration camps a part of the USSR during at least the early 1970s?

no, they pretty much ended in the 60s and then the thaw started

pkc, you really have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to capitalism and libertarians going hand in hand. Just ask Milton Friedman, he is a prominant libertarian and won a nobel prize for his studies of economics, where he strongly supports capitalism and free markets.

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Off the top of my head, not one TV nework in America dared talk about a 1980s photo of Rumsfeld having a handshake with Saddam Hussein. Not one news talk show host ever brought it up.

I'd agree with you that our media isn't always puting forth a lot of effort to get the truth (as has been under-scored by people like Bob Woodward in his book "The Boys on the Bus" back in the day, on up through to recent history with Dan Rather and CBS' debacle about GWB's National Guard service), but, that being said, they are quick to ASSUME a lot based on their more often than not "liberal" notions and their desire/need to be the first ones to get a story out, they pad a lot...quotes like "Sources say" and "according to reports we've received"...more often than not, these "sources" are just rumors and assumptions the reporters themselves have made!

I don't expect the media to be perfect, but I see all kinds of inuendo and flat-out lies and flasehoods reported every day on subjects I KNOW they have information wrong on, and they know it too to a large extent I believe! Gun control would be a great example of one...perhaps the absurd support for shakedown artists like Jesse Jackson would be another....the list is endless of the Liberal bent on our so called "News".

In this country, Liberal=thinking with your heart, not your head...and that comes through in the news...annoying.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco I see all kinds of inuendo and flat-out lies and flasehoods reported every day on subjects I KNOW they have information wrong on

Absolutely. I agree with that 100%.

One reason for that: the media is sensationalist by nature.

An example that immediately comes to mind has to do with AIDS. The media would have you believe that AIDS is an easily-contractable disease and that there is an epidemic going on in this country and that everybody should abstain from sex, etc., etc.

When in truth, even if you bleed during intercourse without condoms with someone who has AIDS, the chances of you getting AIDS are still 1:800,000. (I'm not making this up.) And getting AIDS from a woman is nearly impossible (but she can get it from a man). I'll give you the Surgeon General's info on that if you don't believe it.

So yeah, definitely, the media is wrong about a lot of things. Point taken.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd When in truth, even if you bleed during intercourse without condoms with someone who has AIDS, the chances of you getting AIDS are still 1:800,000. (I'm not making this up.) And getting AIDS from a woman is nearly impossible (but she can get it from a man). I'll give you the Surgeon General's info on that if you don't believe it. So yeah, definitely, the media is wrong about a lot of things. Point taken.

NO I believe you are wrong. You are definately going to have to give me some source to back that up. Do you mean you are bleeding but you partner doesnt have a cut so thats why you can't get AIDS?

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid NO I believe you are wrong. You are definately going to have to give me some source to back that up. Do you mean you are bleeding but you partner doesnt have a cut so thats why you can't get AIDS?

If you're bleeding, you can get it with the probability of 1:800,000 or something. It's possible but still very unlikely. AIDS is a disease that is extremely hard to get.

Can you wait a few hours, I'll try to dig up that information ?

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd Can you wait a few hours, I'll try to dig up that information ?

Sure i will wait just for you

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd The media would have you believe that AIDS is an easily-contractable disease and that there is an epidemic going on in this country and that everybody should abstain from sex, etc., etc.

I know for a fact you're right about that as theory (don't know about your stats, but...), because my sister, who worked in the medical field for years, knew one of the nation's lead Researches on AIDS. The truth is, it is hard to get for one. Secondly, the most "At risk" people are gay men, heroin drug users (needles) and black female prostitutes (again, usually drug users). No particular order there.

Since your average citizen doesn't fall in to any of these catagories, your actual random chance of getting AIDS drops to a figure so small it's almost hardly worth worrying about.

Here in Los Angeles, the media is NOTORIOUS for adding fuel to the fire in order to stir up news. The Rodney King beatings would be an excellent example of that. They never showed the whole video on TV, where King, a known criminal, who was high when finally pulled over after running at speeds of over 100mph, was taking swings at the cops! Nope, they only showed a black man getting beaten by the cops (one of whom was a black cop!)...the inference was clear! And what this city got in exchange was a very costly and un-warranted riot.

But ironically, this is yet another exmample of the liberalism of which I speak in our media outlets.

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