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| Originally posted by metalgearsolid Wait a second TX your friend wants you to be a freemason?! Why are you not going to join!!  Do you not realize the mistake you are making by not joining? You can become really powerful and rich. That is what everyone wants. You can still be against them. In fact you can be like Angel. You join wolfram and heart and you destroy them from within because they are evil. I serioulsy am ashame of you TX. I thought you were smarter than that. But I against you can live your life the own way you want to. I mean seriously you can waste away reading lots of books and improving yourself. But you won't ever get a chance to know the truth of the freemasons. Not unless you all ready know everything about them. Which I highly doubt you do. |
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| Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls light, and draw them away from it. - Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma p. 104 |
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| Freemasonry is a fraternity within a fraternity -- an outer organization concealing an inner brotherhood of the elect ... it is necessary to establish the existence of these two separate and yet interdependent orders, the one visible and the other invisible. The visible society is a splendid camaraderie of 'free and accepted' men enjoined to devote themselves to ethical, educational, fraternal, patriotic, and humanitarian concerns. The invisible society is a secret and most August fraternity whose members are dedicated to the service of a mysterious arcannum arcandrum. - Manly P. Hall, Lectures on Ancient Philosophy, p. 433 |
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| When a Mason learns the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. - Manly P. Hall, The Lost Keys To Freemasonry, p. 48 |
Did I mention where a n00b freemason has to lie naked in a coffin?
I did? Oh well carry on.
Hey uh TX so what you are saying is that some freemasons can do witchcraft? I mean is that really possible for someone to do? Humans can not do that I at least think they can't. But quite possibly I am wrong. Thats it TX join the freemasons so you can make me a member I want to learn how to do freaky stuff with my mind.
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| However to allay any conspiracy enthusiasts, it should be clearly stated that PRS is an entirely separate and independent organization with no links to the Masonic movement. Surely it must be a measure of the man, that Mr. Hall never used PRS as a recruiting station for Masonic membership, and what he held important was the inner philosophical tradition of Masonry. |
My senior year I joined Skull and Bones, a secret society, so secret, I can't say anything more.
Dubya
Yeah I have heard that before in fact it was on the show last night. Which leads me to believe that this thread has the same title as the show. Meaning this thread started due to that show.
Anyway I still intend on creating my little secret society so secret I can't say anymore
Trance-X's avatar is going to make someone have an epilleptic seizure one day.
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| Originally posted by metalgearsolid Hey uh TX so what you are saying is that some freemasons can do witchcraft? |
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| Don Jesus Medina, a descendant of the great duke of Armada fame, and one of the highest chiefs of Scottish Rite free-masonry. My cabbalistic knowledge being already profound by current standards, he thought me worthy of the highest initiation in his power to confer; special powers were obtained in view of my limited sojourn, and I was pushed rapidly through and admitted to the thirty-third and last degree before I left the country. - The Confessions of Aleister Crowley (1969), pp. 202-203. |
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| Originally posted by metalgearsolid Yeah I have heard that before in fact it was on the show last night. Which leads me to believe that this thread has the same title as the show. Meaning this thread started due to that show. Anyway I still intend on creating my little secret society so secret I can't say anymore |
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| Originally posted LOL Anyway, I've read enough from Albert Pike and Manly P. Hall to know better than to get involved in Freemsonry. |
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 Did I mention where a n00b freemason has to lie naked in a coffin? I did? Oh well carry on. |
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X on a side note, I thought this was pretty interesting in regards to the statue of Albert Pike which is located in Washington, DC: http://www.dcist.com/archives/2005/...en_--_oh_my.php |
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 The Secret Architecture of Our Nation's Capital: The Masons and the Building of Washington, D.C. (Paperback) ISBN: 0060953683 |
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| Originally posted by NeoPhono Sounds like an "interesting" read. The author, Ovason, has some "interesting" titles available for consumption. Such as: The Secret Symbols of the Dollar Bill : A Closer Look at the Hidden Magic and Meaning of the Money You Use Every Day The Secrets of Nostradamus: A Radical New Interpretation of the Master's Prophecies Nostradamus: Prophecies for America The History of the Horoscope The Zelator: A Modern Initiate Explores the Ancient Mysteries I'd love to see how much he spends on tin foil each year to wrap his head with. |
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| Originally posted by NeoPhono Sounds like an "interesting" read. The author, Ovason, has some "interesting" titles available for consumption. Such as: The Secret Symbols of the Dollar Bill : A Closer Look at the Hidden Magic and Meaning of the Money You Use Every Day The Secrets of Nostradamus: A Radical New Interpretation of the Master's Prophecies Nostradamus: Prophecies for America The History of the Horoscope The Zelator: A Modern Initiate Explores the Ancient Mysteries I'd love to see how much he spends on tin foil each year to wrap his head with. |
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| Yale alums snatched Geronimo's skull, letter says HARTFORD, Connecticut (AP) -- A Yale University historian has uncovered a 1918 letter that seems to lend validity to the lore that Yale University's ultra-secret Skull and Bones society swiped the skull of American Indian leader Geronimo. The letter, written by one member of Skull and Bones to another, purports that the skull and some of the Indian leader's remains were spirited from his burial plot in Fort Sill, Oklahoma, to a stone tomb in New Haven that serves as the club's headquarters. According to Skull and Bones legend, members -- including President Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush -- dug up Geronimo's grave when a group of Army volunteers from Yale were stationed at the fort during World War I. Geronimo died in 1909. "The skull of the worthy Geronimo the Terrible, exhumed from its tomb at Fort Sill by your club... is now safe inside the (Tomb) together with his well worn femurs, bit & saddle horn," according to the letter, written by Winter Mead. But Mead was not at Fort Sill and researcher Marc Wortman, who found the letter last fall, said Monday he is skeptical the bones are actually those of the famed Indian fighter. "What I think we could probably say is they removed some skull and bones and other materials from a grave at Fort Sill," he said. "Historically, it may be impossible to prove it's Geronimo's. They believe it's from Geronimo." Harlyn Geronimo, the great grandson of Geronimo, said he has been looking for a lawyer to sue the U.S. Army, which runs Fort Sill. Discovery of the letter could help, he said. "It's keeping it alive and now it makes me really want to confront the issue with my attorneys," said Geronimo, of Mescalero, New Mexico. "If we get the remains back... and find that, for instance, that bones are missing, you know who to blame." A portion of the letter and an accompanying story were posted Monday on the Yale Alumni Magazine's Web site. Only 15 Yale seniors are asked to join Skull and Bones each year. Alumni include Sen. John Kerry, President William Howard Taft, numerous members of Congress, media leaders, Wall Street financiers, the scions of wealthy families and agents in the CIA. Members swear an oath of secrecy about the group and its strange rituals, which are said to include an initiation rite in which would-be members kiss a skull. http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/09/ge...s.ap/index.html |
^^ I'm surpirsed this appeared in CNN. BTW, I found out somewhat recently while talking to my old roomate that his grand father was a 13th degree Mason (don't remember what lodge it was, I'm think it was affiliated with Scottish Rite Freemasonry, not that that's very specific though 
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| Originally posted by Goashem dont forget the stone cutters!  mmmm sacred parchment....  |
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z ^^ I'm surpirsed this appeared in CNN. BTW, I found out somewhat recently while talking to my old roomate that his grand father was a 13th degree Mason (don't remember what lodge it was, I'm think it was affiliated with Scottish Rite Freemasonry, not that that's very specific though ). |
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| Whose Skull and Bones? May/June 2006 by Kathrin Day Lassila '81 and Mark Alden Branch '86 Did Skull and Bones rob the grave of Geronimo during World War I? For decades, it has been the most controversial and sordid of all the mysteries surrounding Yale's best-known secret society. The story was widely rumored but, despite the efforts of reporters and historians and the public complaints of Apache leaders in the 1980s, never verified. An internal history of Skull and Bones, written in the 1930s and leaked to the Apache 50 years later, mentioned the theft. But Bones spokesmen have always dismissed the story as a hoax. A former senior editor of the Yale Alumni Magazine has now discovered the only known contemporary evidence: a reference in private correspondence from one senior Bonesman to another. The letter was written on June 7, 1918, by Winter Mead '19 to F. Trubee Davison '18. It announces that the remains dug up at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, by a group that included Charles C. Haffner Jr. '19 (a new member, or "Knight"), have been deposited in the society's headquarters (the "Tomb"): "The skull of the worthy Geronimo the Terrible, exhumed from its tomb at Fort Sill by your club & the K -- t [Knight] Haffner, is now safe inside the T -- [Tomb] together with his well worn femurs[,] bit & saddle horn." Mead was not at Fort Sill, so his letter is not proof. And if the Bonesmen did rob a grave, there's reason to think it may have been the wrong one. But the letter shows that the story was no after-the-fact rumor. Senior Bonesmen at the time believed it. "It adds to the seriousness of the belief [that the theft took place], certainly," says Judith Schiff, the chief research archivist at Sterling Memorial Library, who has written extensively on Yale history. "It has a very strong likelihood of being true, since it was written so close to the time." Members of a secret society, she points out, were required to be honest with each other about its affairs. Moreover, the yearbook entries for Haffner, Mead, and Davison confirm that they were all Bonesmen. (The membership of the societies was routinely published in newspapers and yearbooks until the 1970s.) Haffner's entry confirms that he was at the artillery school at Fort Sill some time between August 1917 and July 1918. Marc Wortman, a writer and former senior editor of this magazine, discovered the letter in the Sterling Memorial Library archives while researching Davison's war years for a book -- The Millionaires' Unit, released this month by PublicAffairs press -- about Yale's World War I aviators. The letter is preserved in a folder of 1918 correspondence in one of the 16 boxes of the F. Trubee Davison Papers. Mead's was one of many letters Davison received that year about Bones matters. With the war on, the Bonesmen were scattered around the United States and Europe, and society business like choosing new members had to be conducted by mail. "Lists of people to be tapped would come to Trubee and he would comment on them," says Wortman. Mead's letter also relays the news that Parker B. Allen '19 had been initiated as a member in Saumur, France, and Allen's yearbook entry confirms his membership in Bones and his posting to artillery school in Saumur. The Geronimo rumor first came to wide public attention in 1986. At the time, Ned Anderson, then chair of the San Carlos Apache Tribe in Arizona, was campaigning to have Geronimo's remains moved from Fort Sill -- where he died a prisoner of war in 1909 -- to Apache land in Arizona. Anderson received an anonymous letter from someone who claimed to be a member of Skull and Bones, alleging that the society had Geronimo's skull. The writer included a photograph of a skull in a display case and a copy of what is apparently a centennial history of Skull and Bones, written by the literary critic F. O. Matthiessen '23, a Skull and Bones member. In Matthiessen's account, which quotes a Skull and Bones log book from 1919, the skull had been unearthed by six Bonesmen -- identified by their Bones nicknames, including "Hellbender," who apparently was Haffner. Matthiessen mentions the real names of three of the robbers, all of whom were at Fort Sill in early 1918: Ellery James '17, Henry Neil Mallon '17, and Prescott Bush '17, the father and grandfather of the U.S. presidents. Anderson arranged a meeting with Bones alumni Jonathan Bush '53, a son of Prescott Bush; and Endicott Peabody Davison '45, a son of Trubee Davison. At the meeting, Anderson has told several journalists, the Bones representatives produced a display case like the one in the photo. But they told Anderson that the skull inside it was that of a ten-year-old boy. They offered the skull to Anderson, but he declined, as he believed it was not the same one in the photo. Some researchers have concluded that the Bonesmen could not have even found Geronimo's grave in 1918. David H. Miller, a history professor at Cameron University in Lawton, Oklahoma, cites historical accounts that the grave was unmarked and overgrown until a Fort Sill librarian persuaded local Apaches to identify the site for him in the 1920s. "My assumption is that they did dig up somebody at Fort Sill," says Miller. "It could have been an Indian, but it probably wasn't Geronimo." Mead's letter, written from one Bonesman to another just after the incident would have occurred, suggests that society members had robbed a grave and had a skull they believed was Geronimo's. It does not speak to whether Skull and Bones may still have such a skull today. Many have speculated that they do, but there is no direct evidence. Alexandra Robbins '98, who wrote the 2002 Bones expose Secrets of the Tomb, says she persuaded a number of Bones alumni to talk to her for her book. "Many talked about a skull in a glass case by the front door that they call Geronimo," Robbins told the alumni magazine. (Representatives of Skull and Bones did not return calls from the magazine by press time.) Skull and Bones and other Yale societies have a reputation for stealing, often from each other or from campus buildings. Society members reportedly call the practice "crooking" and strive to outdo each other's "crooks." And the club is also thought to use human remains in its rituals. In 2001, journalist Ron Rosenbaum '68 reported capturing on videotape what appeared to be an initiation ceremony in the society's courtyard, in which Bonesmen carried skulls and "femur-sized bones." It may have been easier for the Bonesmen to plunder an Apache's grave if they shared the racial attitudes typical of their era and social class. At the time, says Gaddis Smith, Larned Professor of History emeritus, who is writing a history of Yale since 1900, "there was a racial consciousness and a sense of Anglo-Saxon superiority above all others." He notes that James Rowland Angell, who became president of Yale in 1921, "would say, very explicitly, that we must preserve Yale for the 'old stock.'" Smith adds, "The slogan of the first major fund-raising campaign for Yale, in 1926, was 'Keep Yale Yale.' The alumni knew exactly what it meant." At the same time, many of those complicit in what was apparently the desecration of a grave cherished ideals of service and fellowship, and had lived up to them by enlisting for the war voluntarily. A striking example is chronicled in Marc Wortman's book, The Millionaires' Unit, which began as an article for this magazine about a group of Yale undergraduates who took up the new sport of aviation in order to fight for the Allies ("Flight to Glory," November/December 2003). Trubee Davison was the co-founder and moving spirit of this project. Before the United States had even entered the war, he recruited two dozen elite and wealthy young Yalies of his set -- five of them Bonesmen -- to devote themselves to flying. Out of these efforts grew the first squadron in what is today the Naval Air Reserve. The letter might not have been discovered if Davison hadn't founded the aviation group. It might not even have been written if he hadn't endured great personal suffering for the war effort. Davison never made it overseas; he crashed during a training flight and was disabled for the rest of his life. It was while he was recuperating at home that his fellow Bonesmen wrote to him about candidates for membership, initiations abroad, and other society business. The Geronimo letter, with its matter-of-fact reports of troop units and its boast about a grave robbery, speaks to the complex and contradictory mores of the privileged class in early twentieth-century America. Whose Skull and Bones? |
@ ogvh5150/Trancer-X: So I've been hearing about the Jesuits alot lately. I don't know much about them other than the fact that they're an order within Catholocism. Do you guys know anything about them?
You speak of the Black Pope.
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| oh and another secret society The Men in Black and X-Files |
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| Originally posted by Aquadyne Stupidity is strong within this one. Someday, he will probably be a president. |
You are silly, perhaps you didn't note the sarcasm.
Re: Secret Societies // Rich Elite Class
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| Originally posted by cap Beyond publically known organizations such as the Skull 'n' Bones society, do you think there are secret societies or groups of people with such vast wealth and power that they can dictate world events behind the scenes? Are they more powerful than Governments, or tied into Governments? I really think the average person goes through life not knowing many of his/her perceptions, values, etc., have been somehow altered by people behind the scenes... |
for all the crazy conspiracy theorists this one is actually the real deal!!!!!!!!
http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/org...ims_Society.htm
Skull & Bones is rather interesting when you consider just how many political power players are members. My brother went to Yale but can�t tell me much since it�s shrouded in secrecy. They apparently pick people out for membership and the person is sworn to secrecy. One of my brother's friends was supposedly in it, but he never really acknowledges it. Interestingly enough he works for some sort of UN think tank in NY lol. There are other societies as well such as Scroll & Key.
I don�t know...one part of me longs for some mystery and intrigue, but the realist in me thinks these societies are nothing more than glorified fraternities. As for the "elite" membership, I think its quite easy to see who is entering the school the coming year...which son from a famous political or wealth family and then singling out the person to join
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