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Originally posted by jdat The major issue at hand was that complains were repeatdly being said over and over to the extent that the same points were made numerous times. I'm not belittleing the whole failure of the situation but it did get a little over board with flames. But that shall remain to everyone's own opinion in regards to the matter. What I find shameful, ignorant, and simply blinding of the truth is the closing of that thread because it was too much of an eye sore. Yes the truth hurts but it's also a fact that the only mod in that forum has always taken things a little too personaly with very poor judgement of other peoples opinions and right to know. At the same time I also believe Lytchix also wanted to do that so anyone visiting the French forum ( be it foreign visitors resulting from this so called event ) wouldn't stumble unto that thread hence making France's image look even more terrible. It's been said before by me and others that Lytchix suckxss

My answer in french, sorry!

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Si je voulais cacher la v�rit�, j'aurais ferm� le thread depuis bien plus longtemps. Pire, j'aurais effac� les messages. Or ce n'est pas le cas. Tout le monde peut savoir s'il lit.

Ensuite, tout le monde a pu s'exprimer et s'est exprim� : clubbers et DJ's, contents et m�contents, et j'ai estim� que ce n'�tait pas la peine de laisser le thread s'�terniser car les probl�mes ne se r�gleront pas sur TA-Fr, d'autant que le principal concern� est absent et ne peut pas se d�fendre. Et mon avis est partag�, figure toi!

En te lisant, on a vraiment l'impression que tu ne r�fl�chis pas et tu te permets de parler de ce que ce qui ne te concerne pas.
C'est tr�s bien de donner son avis mais il faut le faire de fa�on juste. Tu t'es permis de juger Dany alors que tu ne le connais pas et que tu n'as m�me pas participer � la moindre de ses soir�es.

Moi non plus et c'est pourquoi je ne me suis pas permis de le juger � l'emporte pi�ce. Je n'ai rien � voir avec cette histoire et tu oses encore me mettre un coup par derri�re en me lynchant dans Music Discussion.

D�cidemment, ta mauvaise foi te rend toujours aussi antipathique. Fais moi confiance, de nous deux, c'est toi qui suxxxx le plus.

Grandis un peu.

My 2 cents.

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Originally posted by Lytchix [MODE ON] Si je voulais cacher la v�rit�, j'aurais ferm� le thread depuis bien plus longtemps. Pire, j'aurais effac� les messages. Or ce n'est pas le cas. Tout le monde peut savoir s'il lit. Ensuite, tout le monde a pu s'exprimer et s'est exprim� : clubbers et DJ's, contents et m�contents, et j'ai estim� que ce n'�tait pas la peine de laisser le thread s'�terniser car les probl�mes ne se r�gleront pas sur TA-Fr, d'autant que le principal concern� est absent et ne peut pas se d�fendre. Et mon avis est partag�, figure toi! En te lisant, on a vraiment l'impression que tu ne r�fl�chis pas et tu te permets de parler de ce que ce qui ne te concerne pas. C'est tr�s bien de donner son avis mais il faut le faire de fa�on juste. Tu t'es permis de juger Dany alors que tu ne le connais pas et que tu n'as m�me pas participer � la moindre de ses soir�es. Moi non plus et c'est pourquoi je ne me suis pas permis de le juger � l'emporte pi�ce. Je n'ai rien � voir avec cette histoire et tu oses encore me mettre un coup par derri�re en me lynchant dans Music Discussion. D�cidemment, ta mauvaise foi te rend toujours aussi antipathique. Fais moi confiance, de nous deux, c'est toi qui suxxxx le plus. Grandis un peu. My 2 cents. [MODE OFF]

d-miurge translator v.2.7:
"If I wanted to hide the truth, I would have closed the thread for a while. In the worst case, I would have erased the messages, however it's not the case. Everyone can know in reading the posts.
Then, everyone could be expressed and express: clubbers and DJ's, satisfied and dissatisfied, and I estimated that it don't need to let the thread last for ever because the problems will not be regulate on TA-Fr, moreover the 1st concerned person misses and cannot defend himself.

When I read your posts, we really have the impression that you do not think and you allow yourself to speak about something where you are not concerned.
It is very well to deliver his opinion but it should be done in a right way. You allowed yourself to judge Dany whereas you do not know him and that you don't even have been in his parties.
Me too, that's why I don't judge him so easily. I'm not involved in this story, and you lynch me by behind in the MD.

Your hypocrisy make you as antipathic as I supposed. Trust me, you sucks more than me.

My 2 cents."

Jdat you're a damn stubborn guy... ppl always remain the same.

This thread turned into sad flames.

Mod job is to close thread when they turned bad.

Some French TA have crossed the lines with their posts, it went too far.

Most of this thread is in french, so, foreign ppl can be fooled by your judgment.

when it goes too far, threads have to be closed, especially, when it goes hardly stupid...

Reasons of this failure has been told, and even ppl not coming to this event have given their opinion.

None can believe you're to blame djs. It's a shame, a terrible organisation disaster.

But Jdat, you're telling bullshit about too personal considerations of Lytchix. He did well his job.

When Dj Dany wants to testify or answer, Lytchix will reopen this thread, till' then it's closed, cos' it's useless to flame more than that. Dany told one french TA, he is offline for the moment and he'll answer the 13th of september.

No one is supporting Dany after what we red, but until further notice, TA, it's a trance forum, not a enquiry court... In my opinion, only djs have rights to complain, they 're real victims, flames of ppl who din't go to the party are rather inadequate.

I can only support Precision and especially Misja one this, this is why we didn't send Mark Norman.

Daniel Mathieu (Dany) Fucked Up big time.

We also cancelled the Black Hole party the end of September.
This guy MUST not organise any party anymore.

a huge fuckup.

French people should realise that these guys fuck it up for the french trance scene!!

way to go

very good decision

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Originally posted by johndeM I can only support Precision and especially Misja one this, this is why we didn't send Mark Norman. Daniel Mathieu (Dany) Fucked Up big time. We also cancelled the Black Hole party the end of September. This guy MUST not organise any party anymore. a huge fuckup.

agree

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French people should realise that these guys fuck it up for the french trance scene!!

not agree

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Originally posted by johndeM French people should realise that these guys fuck it up for the french trance scene!!

Don't agree either...Djs and promoters should indeed have this incident in mind, but not at the point of depriving certain people of trance events, that would really be a pity ! Especially when you see the potential it has in some cases (like everywhere else) !

Time for the TTA reality check

The whole thing was a complete failure, kinda like France's foreign policy or their complete government. Anyway, LoginZ should keep it shut, same goes for Pez68 and even Lynchix. Its pathetically sad that you french people cannot keep from crying about shit. So don't blame Jdat for telling the truth as he saw it and stop jumping on him. TAFR is as much to blame imo as the whole failure itself. Shit happens but don't cry about it.

so to end it off

to the french

FERME TA GUELE!

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Originally posted by torontotrance Time for the TTA reality check The whole thing was a complete failure, kinda like France's foreign policy or their complete government. Anyway, LoginZ should keep it shut, same goes for Pez68 and even Lynchix. Its pathetically sad that you french people cannot keep from crying about shit. So don't blame Jdat for telling the truth as he saw it and stop jumping on him. TAFR is as much to blame imo as the whole failure itself. Shit happens but don't cry about it. so to end it off to the french FERME TA GUELE!

half of england just gave you a thumbs up

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Originally posted by torontotrance FERME TA GUEULE!

Your post is as dense as what you shit on. I find weak to give an opinion while jdat & the others have their share of truth. So, eat shit!

How was it weak?

Jdat put the entire TAFR forum in its place and he showed how useless you guys are. If you want to act like a numbfuck then go right ahead, your arrogance doesn't scare me nor does the pathetic TAFR attitude. You can bully others but not me, jdat is right and the entire TAFR is responsible for it, don't pass the blame, stand up like a man and take the lumps for this idiocy.

so as I stated earlier, ferme ta guele and go cry elsewhere, you idiots finally reaped what you sowed and you don't take responsibility for it, that's the usual french attitude I guess, I hate stereotypes but that's all I've ever seen from you tards.

Part 2

I don't understand how the TAFR did not speak up, when you knew the guy was shady. I still don't get why the French Forum promoted this, when you knew he was shady. It was promotion, so TAFR should apologize for helping promote, such a disgraceful part. It hurts everyone, including the deejays and the scene. So I think the french people, should at least apologize. I read most of the threads in question and the attitude of Lytchix and Loginz was almost that he fucked up and something like this was hard to put together but he tried. I'm sorry but it was a total failure and it is a black eye, not only on french trance lovers but almost TA in a way because we did hype it. You should give a shit about the scene and the people involved because the entire thing was a total disgrace, deejays did not get paid and that's pathetic just like your attitudes.

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Originally posted by torontotrance

keep smile!

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Originally posted by torontotrance Part 2 I don't understand how the TAFR did not speak up, when you knew the guy was shady. I still don't get why the French Forum promoted this, when you knew he was shady. It was promotion, so TAFR should apologize for helping promote, such a disgraceful part. It hurts everyone, including the deejays and the scene. So I think the french people, should at least apologize. I read most of the threads in question and the attitude of Lytchix and Loginz was almost that he fucked up and something like this was hard to put together but he tried. I'm sorry but it was a total failure and it is a black eye, not only on french trance lovers but almost TA in a way because we did hype it. You should give a shit about the scene and the people involved because the entire thing was a total disgrace, deejays did not get paid and that's pathetic just like your attitudes.

lol, are you serious ?
you don't know a clue about what you're talking about.

He organised more than just an event, and most of what he organised went well - very well i mean, these were some of the greatest trance nights ever here. So we thought/hoped (yes, hoped, since it was the first time such an event would happen here) this would go fine as well.

So, if you have no clue, "Ferme ta gueule"

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Originally posted by torontotrance Part 2 I don't understand how the TAFR did not speak up, when you knew the guy was shady. I still don't get why the French Forum promoted this, when you knew he was shady. It was promotion, so TAFR should apologize for helping promote, such a disgraceful part. It hurts everyone, including the deejays and the scene. So I think the french people, should at least apologize. I read most of the threads in question and the attitude of Lytchix and Loginz was almost that he fucked up and something like this was hard to put together but he tried. I'm sorry but it was a total failure and it is a black eye, not only on french trance lovers but almost TA in a way because we did hype it. You should give a shit about the scene and the people involved because the entire thing was a total disgrace, deejays did not get paid and that's pathetic just like your attitudes.

It seems you don't really know what happened. Dany organized some parties last few months which where really great. Just ask pascal , he went 3 months ago and let a message in the forum like 'That was a real pleasure to come with real true trance lover' or something like that. Some other dj's were glad to playing there. So dany planned to do that big party , thinking he was able to do that alone.

You all know how it turned , I think he thought he was going to sell all the tickets but he failed. Instead of cancelling the party , he arranged himself to fuck the party : sending non arranging plane tickets , he didn't answer to mails & phone calls a week ago before the party , promised this & that to every djs,... Lately, we also were told that some other dj's were not payed in the past.

French TAs don't support what he has done. He lied to everybody. We're still waiting for a real answer from Dany ... he said just after the event it was Dj fault If you read great comments about that party , that was before pascal told what happened. Yes , there are people who support Dany cause he did several mistaskes (which happens to everybody at least once in their life) and they think you can't resolve theses problems with insults , etc...
But , after reading your message , I think you don't understand that FRENCH TA'S HAVE NOTHING TO DO IN THAT STORY NEITHER IN THE ORGANIZATION OF IT. I thought local forums were created in part for that, talking about parties... When Dany began to organize party , he registered on every French music forums to promote them. If you read correctly the thread , you may notice that everybody was sorry for the dj's. (Sonicvibe story is very touching) That's a a shame yes , but what more can we do ???
It's a story between Dany & Dj's , we don't protect him if it's what you believe.

Hope you understood what I meant.

Lytchix closed this thread because ALL the truth has been said (most of TA didn't know anything about that story before pascal told us) and the thread was turning into insults towards Dany. Pascal , please tell us why do you want the thread still opened?

And to finish , If you want really an objective opinion about that thread, please don't take jdat's one. I don't want to blame you or whatever but, you too , take the first opportunity to blame french people as you always do it.

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Originally posted by swisstoni_uk half of england just gave you a thumbs up

nice racist attitude


edit: oh, just read that :

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I still don't get why the French Forum promoted this, when you knew he was shady.

I've already said that before but, nobody knew that fact before pascal , sonicvibe, misja ,etc... told us what really happened . We had respect for Dany before that, because he was believing in the trance scene , he was one of the first to 'welcome' trance djs in France but nobody was aware of various problems...There are indeed a few people who can't believe that because Dany is a good friend to them. It's like your wife went a night with another guy, even if facts are proved , it's still hard to believe
But once again , we support Djs in that story , please don't generalize

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Originally posted by PEZ68 But , after reading your message , I think you don't understand that FRENCH TA'S HAVE NOTHING TO DO IN THAT STORY NEITHER IN THE ORGANIZATION OF IT. I thought local forums were created in part for that, talking about parties... When Dany began to organize party , he registered on every French music forums to promote them. If you read correctly the thread , you may notice that everybody was sorry for the dj's. (Sonicvibe story is very touching) That's a a shame yes , but what more can we do ??? It's a story between Dany & Dj's , we don't protect him if it's what you believe. Hope you understood what I meant.

+ 1

I went all thoses parties, and DJ's like Misja, John O'Callaghan, PIet Bervoets, Gabriel & Dresden, Pascal, Scott Bond, Pery O'neil ad more really enjoyed those parties...

The atmosphere was so fucking great, that's why we (TA RF + the DJS) were looking for this event...

Now dany really fucked up the event, we all know this!

I was there and i can say it sucked very much...

Now we fear for next Trance parties in France cause YOU SHOULD KNOW that it was only the promoter's fault, the TA FR didn't take part in the organisation!

But some of the DJ's said to me that they'll be back but with an other organisator, cause i think we need and we deserve to see them back in France!

Oh and by the way, don't know why you're so arrogant with the french...

Nice to see a mod writing some insults

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Originally posted by torontotrance Time for the TTA reality check The whole thing was a complete failure, kinda like France's foreign policy or their complete government. Anyway, LoginZ should keep it shut, same goes for Pez68 and even Lynchix. Its pathetically sad that you french people cannot keep from crying about shit. So don't blame Jdat for telling the truth as he saw it and stop jumping on him. TAFR is as much to blame imo as the whole failure itself. Shit happens but don't cry about it. so to end it off to the french FERME TA GUELE!

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Originally posted by torontotrance Time for the TTA reality check

I'm almost scared.

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The whole thing was a complete failure, kinda like France's foreign policy or their complete government.

Any statement on this, dude ? Any relations with this event ? Or just some 0.02 cents thoughts of a narrow minded guy, not to say more...

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Anyway, LoginZ should keep it shut, same goes for Pez68 and even Lynchix. Its pathetically sad that you french people cannot keep from crying about shit.

Try to read carefully french, maybe you should learn it before trying to make any judgment on Lytchix decision. You may notice (after many years of studies) that we're not crying at all. Just trying to calm down things among French TAs.

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So don't blame Jdat for telling the truth as he saw it and stop jumping on him. TAFR is as much to blame imo as the whole failure itself. Shit happens but don't cry about it.

Jdat knows nothing about decision that has been made, it seems you're suffering from the same disease : Ability to speak about things you just don't know, to get recognition.

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so to end it off to the french FERME TA GUELE!

A simple french lesson to you "fucking wanker" s'�crit "Gros branleur", "Shut the fuck up !" s'�crit "Ferme ta gueule.".

You may need it to give your opinion, in the near future, on our local forum., you know you're always welcome and feel free to speak in our native language, it looks so easy for you.

As our beloved french singer Georges Brassens sang, "le temps ne change rien � l'affaire, quand on est con, on est con..."

and,we're all very sorry for what happened, it's a shame, but as Canadian TA's won't make any apologies for your stupidty, we won't make any for this failure.

Though we all regret it. It is Dany responsibility and duty to do it.

No previous informations would have let us thought this event would turn into shit. It looked a damn good festival at first sight. Everyone on the french forum had great expectations.

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Originally posted by LoginZ and,we're all very sorry for what happened, it's a shame, but as Canadian TA's won't make any apologies for your stupidty, we won't make any for this failure.

Well well well, Loginz should not be the one to talk about stupidity. Remember that vile joke that you put in the French Forum a few years ago, where you put a joke about the two towers, so don't come to me talking to stupidity.

Hate me all you want, I still think it is you guys fault and your ignorant replies won't change my mind. Yes he might have put on some decent events but he was shady and you guys knew it and you guys should have thought he could not do it. Now there is a mess and some of you people never tore him apart, it is a black eye on the scene and it further proves that the French sadly can't do gigs like this. So futhermore stick to house in the future and to any of you who wish to take me on, feel free to try to anything you want. I certainly have never been one to hide away from saying what I felt and yes I certainly meant Ferme Ta Guele and I know exactly what it means.

The whole issue here is the french won't take any responsibility for this black eye and you guys helped hype it but hardly any of you jumped down his throat for this, that's why I'm pissed off. You guys care about the scene but don't do anything when people fuck it up. That's the whole issue, as usual tho, this turns into the french vs. the world and this is why your ignorant attitudes piss the rest of the world aka people on TA NOT from France off.

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Originally posted by torontotrance Yes he might have put on some decent events but he was shady and you guys knew it and you guys should have thought he could not do it.

Untrue.
He was shady ? Wait, then why djs like Misja (he's not the only one), who already came once, accepted to come at the event ? because everything was alright the first time i guess ? They should've known better than anyone (that's not my opinion, i just follow your reasoning).

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The whole issue here is the french won't take any responsibility for this black eye and you guys helped hype it but hardly any of you jumped down his throat for this, that's why I'm pissed off.

We hyped it ?
Yes, we did. But not more than any other events happening here, or somewhere else.
Ah, and what was the result of our "hype" ? About 200 people coming to the event...
You're wrong but don't want to admit it.

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the french vs. the world and this is why your ignorant attitudes piss the rest of the world aka people on TA NOT from France off.

Isn't it you vs the rest of the world instead ?
Oh well, and we are the ignorants ?
* You weren't at the event.
* You have no clue about who is Dj Dany, or what he did the last few months.
* You do generalities about TA-Frs while you just know one or two of 'em...
IMO, you're the one that should STFU.

mate

Dany is a shady guy

im gonna be proffesional and not tell the internet what my experience with him is

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Originally posted by torontotrance Yes he might have put on some decent events but he was shady and you guys knew it and you guys should have thought he could not do it.

No, we DIDN'T know it...

... except Koris (READ IT!), and he's from Switzerland, not french...

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Originally posted by Tayfoon im gonna be proffesional and not tell the internet what my experience with him is

like others Dj did in the past. That's why nobody was aware of that. By the way , who are you?

But oh well, I don't see why I'm going to lose some times on that thread and justify whatever for a guy like TTA People aren't blind

13 september tomorrow DJ Dany.. you made a promise again

i'll be surprised if you keep your word.

forget it SonicVibe this guy is the king of hiding

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