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Originally posted by djmt i am someone with awards in Future Music Magazine and an important radio station nominated on the las WMC... dude DJMT

omfg you're so cool can I get your autograph?

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Originally posted by djmt now he plays boring music .....

Yeah, he is boring and so is the music that he produces and plays, Sashas music is made for funerals. But that is my view because I dislike Sashas style, thats why im saying Armin and Sasha have two different styles.

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Originally posted by gouuryella Yeah, he is boring and so is the music that he produces and plays, Sashas music is made for funerals. But that is my view because I dislike Sashas style, thats why im saying Armin and Sasha have two different styles.

dont exaggerate mr cookie trance. I am not the biggest fan of Sashas current style either. I loved the style he had during 98/99. GU13 is still one of the best mix CDs I own. But I woulndt say that he plays shit music nowadays. Its just not my style so to say.
With that said its still good that he isnt playing Armin style. How fun would it be to be one of the 100 Armins which already are out there?

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Originally posted by Clovis86 Two different styles? Sasha used to play trance...back when Armin was learning to beatmatch. Fuckin great review...

I find this whole Sasha v Armin comparison hilarious being that Armin's track : Blue Fear appears on one of Sasha and Digweed's early cd's - Northern Exposure II - West Coast Edition from January 1998.

I think this pretty much disputes the arguement that Armin is some kind of baby in the scene, and also the arguement that his style was so much different than Sasha's.

The reviewer was on point in saying that Shivers was not groundbreaking, but I think he did miss the mark by forgetting that Armin has contributed to the trance genre as a producer in the past.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 How fun would it be to be one of the 100 Armins which already are out there?

Even if he would be one of '100 Armins' out there, which I'm not saying he is, he would be the original one, because of his work and results that you're all aware of he hasn't got to bow down to anyone.
As far as Shivers is concerned and the review it got, I'm with swisstoni on this one, BBC is one of many and personally their expertise in EDM is as good as the shit they're playing nowadays, gush of crap.
Anyway if I understand correctly the album's background, Armin has a lot of remixes ready, and from there it can go in any direction, see he has something he can remix anyway he wants and it's his own either way you take it. I believe it's probably a business decision.
I like 2 songs very much Zocalo and Empty State, absolutely great.
Shivers is 50-50 with anyone you ask, either like it or you don't, and same goes for Serenity. Hymne is pretty good too, other vocal tracks like Gold Digger, Who Is Waching, Gypsy, Wall Of Sound are all that will probably see remix. And Control Freak and Bounce Back are really the old Armin sound. See it might not all be trance, but Armin has built himself a ground where he can play with the sounds, without being bothered wether someone will like it or not, because let's face it, even with all you guys spitting on it, there'll be a lot of people there that like the album, and when he's done remixing it, it'll slowly get into TA people too, so he'll catch 2 flies with 1 swing. You just got to see the big picture.
He does the music because he likes it, not you, and in my book that's staying true to yourself, which is exactly the opposite than what people have been accusing him, ie. playing music for the people etc. like some other DJs are doing. So he's doing just fine, and I think Shivers will too, and TA will still be where it is.

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Originally posted by Fresh Prince I believe it's probably a business decision.

That kind of decisions always lead to good albums, don't they.


FFS.

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Originally posted by djmt Sasha WAS a good dj, now he plays boring music ..... what did i say PLAY.... i should have said "Ableton Live Plays" (autobeatmatch) ha ha Armin plays amazing tunes and makes really good music, t's ok, some music might not be that good but other are really good Said

shut the fuck up, who are you really ?

off topic: theirs obvious signs of armin lovers in here, and obvious signs of armin haters, a few posts of '+1 with smilies' spring to mind. Fact is, its a critical review of Armin, and some love it when Armin is criticised.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...412859?v=glance

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Generally, Dr. Schwarzbein is on the right track. However, as someone who was diagnosed with Insulin Resistance Syndrome two and a half years ago and who has tried every possible way of eating, I can confidently state that there is no way to recover from the symptoms of this illness--diabetes, high blood pressure, high insulin, high cholesterol, high triglycerides and obesity--and eat as many starchy vegetables and grain products as Schwarzbein includes in this cookbook. I'm not surprised that another reviewer and his wife experienced a surge in cholesterol level from eating this way. In her orignal book, The Schwarzbein Princple, Dr. Schwarzbein shows several levels of recommended carbohydrate consumption based on the physical health of the individual. If you have any or all of the above-listed symptoms, I can tell you from experience that you must use the lowest carb level she recommends, which means you will have to be very selective with the recipes in this book. I can tell you from personal experience that if you have I-R Syndrome or any of it's symptoms, you can't continue to eat starchy vegetables and grain products and hope to get better. I've watched family members continue to go downhill on the standard diets offered by their endocrinologists. I strongly recommend you try Protein Power, Atkins or Neaderthin and keep your carb intake between 30-55 grams per day max. It's hard to do, but it beats ending up blind or on dialysis.

Extremely harsh criticism there, totally uncalled for. I thoroughly enjoyed Dr. Schwarzbein approach to vegetarian cooking!

I don't see anyone flying off the handle about this! So he got a harsh review, it comes with putting yourself out there can't change it.

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Originally posted by Master I find this whole Sasha v Armin comparison hilarious being that Armin's track : Blue Fear appears on one of Sasha and Digweed's early cd's - Northern Exposure II - West Coast Edition from January 1998. I think this pretty much disputes the arguement that Armin is some kind of baby in the scene, and also the arguement that his style was so much different than Sasha's.

7 years vs. 15+ years

yes - armin is still a baby in my eyes and it's not a rip on the dude - he can't help it that he's only 29 - just b/c he's a baby doesn't mean that he can't produce good tracks - he clearly did back in 1999 etc. - but he seems to have lost his way IMO

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Originally posted by Fresh Prince Even if he would be one of '100 Armins' out there, which I'm not saying he is, he would be the original one, because of his work and results that you're all aware of he hasn't got to bow down to anyone. As far as Shivers is concerned and the review it got, I'm with swisstoni on this one, BBC is one of many and personally their expertise in EDM is as good as the shit they're playing nowadays, gush of crap. Anyway if I understand correctly the album's background, Armin has a lot of remixes ready, and from there it can go in any direction, see he has something he can remix anyway he wants and it's his own either way you take it. I believe it's probably a business decision. I like 2 songs very much Zocalo and Empty State, absolutely great. Shivers is 50-50 with anyone you ask, either like it or you don't, and same goes for Serenity. Hymne is pretty good too, other vocal tracks like Gold Digger, Who Is Waching, Gypsy, Wall Of Sound are all that will probably see remix. And Control Freak and Bounce Back are really the old Armin sound. See it might not all be trance, but Armin has built himself a ground where he can play with the sounds, without being bothered wether someone will like it or not, because let's face it, even with all you guys spitting on it, there'll be a lot of people there that like the album, and when he's done remixing it, it'll slowly get into TA people too, so he'll catch 2 flies with 1 swing. You just got to see the big picture. He does the music because he likes it, not you, and in my book that's staying true to yourself, which is exactly the opposite than what people have been accusing him, ie. playing music for the people etc. like some other DJs are doing. So he's doing just fine, and I think Shivers will too, and TA will still be where it is.

come on even you armin worshippers must admit that this album is very weak considering that the guy actually got real talents.

ctprincess
it's not how long you're in the game, but how you play it,
and I believe he's better than some wash outs

Rebel9
it'll come... and even if it doesn't it's not the end of the world, you can always tune in to something else if you don't like it.

for all you people siding with the review, calm down.
give the man a chance.
he is learning.
now wang ching.

What's so bored about being a Top DJ ?? Why do these guys get into producing when it's not what they are good at ??

What's the boring part about being a Top DJ again ?? The chicks ?? The money ?? The traveling ??? If you get tired then take a 4 month vacation far away from party places .. and that's it.

you're only as good of a producer as your last production...

I think generally, the top-end DJs are never as good at producing as those who concentrate more heavily on producing (makes sense).

Armin isn't a great producer, nor is Tiesto ('Just Be' wasn't exactly great), and come on, PvD has had the same sound since 96. They probably just don't have enough time, too busy touring. Guys like Sander van Doorn aren't as big on the DJing thing (yet), so their productions are far more refined and original.

Once you become a big DJ, your productions are never gonna be as good. You can only be a great DJ or a great producer, you can't be both. Simple as that.

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Originally posted by djmt i have many of sasha's new live sets, and i have that one on the bbc presenting ableton live and it is really boring the music sasha (i mean ableton live) plays, horrible music, and u say NO CLUE haha i am someone with awards in Future Music Magazine and an important radio station nominated on the las WMC... dude DJMT

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Originally posted by Col Armin isn't a great producer, nor is Tiesto ('Just Be' wasn't exactly great), and come on, PvD has had the same sound since 96.

Tiesto isnt a good producer? Is that the only track you've heard from him, "Just Be"? Armin isnt compared to Tiesto producing wise, but Armin has put out good stuff in the past. PvD has put out some great productions, not this year with The Other Side, but his up there in my books.

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Originally posted by =aZnxTraNceR= Hey now!!! dammit jason! your predictable! i knew you would say something about this anywho... Shivers is an alright album, the best out of this whole cd imo would be ZoCalo! The rest of the this cd is pretty chill cept for control freak and serenity. but its not that bad. I mean i know Armins production has gone downhill a bit, comparing to communications, blue fear, sound of goodbye etc etc... not including all his great remixes in the past too.. but he's still one of my all time fave djs because of the fact that he's been around for such a long time and still keeps up with his ASOT show even though he didnt have to, and that when you see him live, he's never f*cked up and always smiling! sooo those oare my 2 cents

Every aspect of this post reeks of someone who has just found trance within the last year or so. I remember the days when Armin was warming up for DJ's at Gatecrasher, and to be perfectly honest that wasn't all that long ago, (2001/02). This CD is shit, and fair play to the BBC for actually giving a non-subjective review for a change.

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Originally posted by Fresh Prince

up armin's ass

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Originally posted by Floorfiller you're only as good of a producer as your last production...

i dont agree with this tbh. i mean using armin as an example, we know he can produce good tracks because he has done in the past, sky falls down, rapture etc. he has definatly got worse, but im sure the talent is still in there somewhere. maybe. errmm. dont know

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Originally posted by fastmp3 up armin's ass

lol or your's

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Originally posted by Fresh Prince

what a retarded post.

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Originally posted by n0bben what a retarded post.

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