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All that aside, the very original sample I remember downloading from Gerry in the amateur production forum was quite amateur sounding in comparison to what PvD has done with it anyway. Yes PvD may have only slapped his kick and bass on it, but that alone has put a very professional touch on what was before a very weak production. But also remember that PvD does not stick down on the tracklist "PvD Edit" like we do for his sets. I guess what i'm saying is that on the other hand, if Gerry was to be credited on the tracklist, he would be getting far more credit than he really deserves.

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Originally posted by thesuperfunk PvD doesn't need to explain anything to anyone. Even if Gerry's comment holds true why should PvD totally change the TPOD2 design just so the 'little producer' can get his break? especially over what is no more that a rehash of 'Messages' with the 'Connected' melody thrown in for good measure. Gerry himself has stated that he needs an 'original' hit to break into the scene ... i suggest he concentrates on that instead of bitching on message boards.

what the hell are message boards for if not to bitch??

lemme break it down for you..

PvD isn't crediting any of the remixers on his album because he feels that he is the true remixer of all the tracks because he adds a kick here and takes a chunk of the breakdown out there.

if this is not worth a bitching about I don't know what is. and it's not about the particular track or the melody or even weither Gerry even cares that much, it's about the principle fuktard.

btw, if this isn't true and PvD does credit the remixers then you may strike my testimony from the record.

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Originally posted by djmetatron what the hell are message boards for if not to bitch?? lemme break it down for you.. PvD isn't crediting any of the remixers on his album because he feels that he is the true remixer of all the tracks because he adds a kick here and takes a chunk of the breakdown out there. if this is not worth a bitching about I don't know what is. and it's not about the particular track or the melody or even weither Gerry even cares that much, it's about the principle fuktard. btw, if this isn't true and PvD does credit the remixers then you may strike my testimony from the record.

read cobalts post. then think about deleting that one

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Originally posted by djmetatron what the hell are message boards for if not to bitch?? lemme break it down for you.. PvD isn't crediting any of the remixers on his album because he feels that he is the true remixer of all the tracks because he adds a kick here and takes a chunk of the breakdown out there. if this is not worth a bitching about I don't know what is. and it's not about the particular track or the melody or even weither Gerry even cares that much, it's about the principle fuktard. btw, if this isn't true and PvD does credit the remixers then you may strike my testimony from the record.

I suggest you know your facts before arguing their case.

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Originally posted by Ian^ read cobalts post. then think about deleting that one

ok so we both don't know exactly why the remixers aren't on the sleeve and it's been done before. doesn't make it right though.

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Originally posted by thesuperfunk I suggest you know your facts before arguing their case.

what, the facts about weither pvd is actually arrogant enought to think he is the real remixer of all the tracks and that's why he doesn't credit them? we both don't know that one, but I'm arguing on the hypothetical case that this is true. if not, well, you have to admit that the remixers should still get the fugging credit.

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Originally posted by djmetatron ok so we both don't know exactly why the remixers aren't on the sleeve and it's been done before. doesn't make it right though.

why blame pvd directly when all the dj's on GU etc do the same ? or are you afraid to call them for it & just blame paul instead cos he's an easier and less 'cool' target to some people ?

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Originally posted by djmetatron ok so we both don't know exactly why the remixers aren't on the sleeve and it's been done before. doesn't make it right though.

Have you considered how messy it would look if PvD listed all the artists that had done production work on each track?

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Originally posted by Ian^ why blame pvd directly when all the dj's on GU etc do the same ? or are you afraid to call them for it & just blame paul instead cos he's an easier and less 'cool' target to some people ?

you guys are pretty sensitive about pvd, geez. who knows what he decides about his album, he can do pretty much anything he want's with it. maybe it's not his decision, maybe it is. doesn't make him less talented as a dj. personally he is one of THE BEST djs i've seen, but it doesn't suprise me that he may have a bit of an ego.

but again i don't know for sure. but what i do know is that ALL of the remixers on the album won't be listed on the sleeve, as if they didn't exist or didn't do anything, and that's not right. And if Paul's going to use people's work like Gerry's (you can debate the fact that Gerry stuff isn't good or whatever but that's besides the point) he should still put their name on the cover.

edit: and messy?? wtf all of the albums i've bought list the original artist and the remixer on the tracklist. so yeah, i've considered that.

Paul is as self-important an egomaniac as the best of them, he's just less overt about it.

But that isn't terribly relevant to the point at hand, which is that remixers are sometimes left off compilation covers. It's a risk that comes with the terrain.

I think most people who are gonna buy Tpod2 will already know the situation with "messages" anyway, as most trance fans are really into the music in an obsessive sense, and use websites like this one or buy records themselves etc. Its not like girls goin into HMV to buy the latest "Hed Kandi" CD an not having a clue who any of the artists are...

Chances are any great trance tracks on CDs that trance-heads like, they'll do their best to track down the tune on the net or in record stores etc, and if someone likes "messages" that much, will no doubt stumble across all this info.

Gerry has nothing to worry about imo, he WILL get credit from trance-fans at some point, and so what if he has to write "oh but PVD doesn't put credits for remixers on his Tpod CDs", when he mails record companies.

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Originally posted by djmetatron what, the facts about weither pvd is actually arrogant enought to think he is the real remixer of all the tracks and that's why he doesn't credit them? we both don't know that one, but I'm arguing on the hypothetical case that this is true. if not, well, you have to admit that the remixers should still get the fugging credit.

They do get credit. Inside the sleeve as is pretty standard practice for a lot of CD's. This whole thing has come about because gerry cueto hasnt got his name on the COVER of the CD. The only reason he wants this is to 'make it big', which is a load of shit. He should be happy to be involved in the process.

Taking into consideration that he isnt in fact the official remixer, but rather the original producer, then your argument just falls away. gerry & solange should have checked the original contract which states that the name SOLANGE has to stay intact for 10 years before they went sending out promos of 'Gerry Cueto - Messages'. You cant blame PvD for this just because its happened to end up on his CD.

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Originally posted by Dave Clarke They do get credit. Inside the sleeve as is pretty standard practice for a lot of CD's. This whole thing has come about because gerry cueto hasnt got his name on the COVER of the CD. The only reason he wants this is to 'make it big', which is a load of shit. He should be happy to be involved in the process. Taking into consideration that he isnt in fact the official remixer, but rather the original producer, then your argument just falls away. gerry & solange should have checked the original contract which states that the name SOLANGE has to stay intact for 10 years before they went sending out promos of 'Gerry Cueto - Messages'. You cant blame PvD for this just because its happened to end up on his CD.

It seems that hes mad that he "produced" the track then Solange, went to look at the contract, and said looky here lol!

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Originally posted by Dave Clarke The only reason he wants this is to 'make it big', which is a load of shit. He should be happy to be involved in the process.

Why is that a load of shit (if it is indeed true)?

he should blame himself and solange for not checking the contracts first, rather than making twatty comments in the direction of a dj that was good enough to remix his track and include it on his compilation. fucking kids

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Originally posted by keithos27 Why is that a load of shit (if it is indeed true)?

You dont make music to become big & famous. If you dont understand why this is a load of shit then I cant help you at all. Engage your brain.

Dave Clarke a tranceaddict in training...what would you know about trance anyway?

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Originally posted by Dave Clarke You dont make music to become big & famous. If you dont understand why this is a load of shit then I cant help you at all. Engage your brain.

Don't get cute with me, just answer the f'ing question.

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Originally posted by keithos27 Don't get cute with me, just answer the f'ing question.

Making music to become famous is a load of shit. I fail to see what you cant understand about this statement. How can I bring this down to your level?

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Originally posted by Prism Dave Clarke a tranceaddict in training...what would you know about trance anyway?

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Dave+Clarke

Whats funny about all this is that if any of you were in the same position you'd be moaning.

I do feel sorry for Gerry. The fact of the matter is that Paul SHOULD credit remixers on the back of the cover, especially as he doesnt seem to have done much reworking this time round. Its BS that he doesnt, and this whole incident proves it.

its not the dave clarke, for the third time...

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Originally posted by THE_Chris Whats funny about all this is that if any of you were in the same position you'd be moaning. I do feel sorry for Gerry. The fact of the matter is that Paul SHOULD credit remixers on the back of the cover, especially as he doesnt seem to have done much reworking this time round. Its BS that he doesnt, and this whole incident proves it.

gerry isnt the remixer though is he? he did a cover version. he and solange should have checked the contracts out before they finished it off & sent it out to labels/djs etc. its hardly pvd's fault that they fucked this process up. he has to stick within the law, gerry / solange were the ones making the mistake.

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Originally posted by Prism Dave Clarke a tranceaddict in training...what would you know about trance anyway?

congratulations, you are a fucking idiot.

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