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Originally posted by Gmoney part II 1st of all) You say I am annoying to pretty much every one in this thread but who nominated you speaker for everyone in this thread? 2nd of all) I am not fat nor annoying. How you can predict my weight over the internet is strange but if you have that kind of talent then you will be the next Donald Trump. 3rd of all) My point of survival of the fittest is a good one. 4th of all) A fat, ugly, unfit guy cannot "pop" me, because he wouldn't even try. 5th of all) I am much older than you are. If you have the attitude that "you ain't shit" then no one else will think you are shit and you won't go anywhere. You have to sell yourself everywhere you go, even, if you don't mean it. "Fake it till you make it." Please thank me later for just handing your ass to you on a plate

Lol That post itself shows the level of your intelligence. Dude when I said you were the fat and ugly guy, I meant it as an expression and your dumb ....or im sorry "SMART n FIT" enough to take it literally. Your oh so kickass self.. ruined the whole thread. Your replies rely on a single "Survival of the Fittest" phrase that you tend to use like a retard. Being fit doesn't have to be physically fit einstein, it could mentally, spirtually or sexually so there are no such things as PERFECT human beings, if a white skinned blond haired and blue eyed guy thinks he's the best then.. SNAP bitch.. U lack melanin and you got relatively more chances of skin cancer (no offense to the white skinned blond haired and blue eyed guys here) . Hence your posts make no sense whatsoever.. BTW you need psychology classes because if someone snaps.. he wouldn't care what you look like.. he'll take you no matter what.. and chances are you'll get your ass kicked because he'll grab anything in his hand and beat you to a pulp.

Listen kid, I'm not tryin to give you lectures but common don't act like you are hot shit. Confidence is a good thing but it's gotta have its limits, just like everything else. Now go play with your blocks that mommy got you and remember.. A is for Apple.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid What are you in the mob?

What the hell are you talking about?



I have the right to express my views about this bullshit mutated birdflu just like everyone else. Resorting to childish name calling is not a very good way to respond to this. I will make you a deal, my friend. If this birdflu actually does mutate and kills more than 200,000 people. I will send you $10,000 over paypal.

Make it 50k and you got a deal

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Originally posted by digitul punk Being fit doesn't have to be physically fit einstein, it could mentally, spirtually or sexually so there are no such things as PERFECT human beings, if a white skinned blond haired and blue eyed guy thinks he's the best then.. SNAP bitch.. U lack melanin and you got relatively more chances of skin cancer (no offense to the white skinned blond haired and blue eyed guys here) . . .

You are wrong here my friend. If a supermodel, say Heidi Klum, had a genuis IQ then I would consider her a perfect specimen.
Same thing if an Olympic Decathalon winner had a genuis IQ then he might also be considered a perfect specimen.
As for the melanin coment, its also a proven fact that people with alot of melanin ( like those with alot of moles) are also prone to skin cancer.

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Originally posted by digitul punk if a white skinned blond haired and blue eyed guy thinks he's the best then.. SNAP bitch.. U lack melanin and you got relatively more chances of skin cancer (no offense to the white skinned blond haired and blue eyed guys here) .

damnit.

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Originally posted by Gmoney part II You are wrong here my friend. If a supermodel, say Heidi Klum, had a genuis IQ then I would consider her a perfect specimen. Same thing if an Olympic Decathalon winner had a genuis IQ then he might also be considered a perfect specimen. As for the melanin coment, its also a proven fact that people with alot of melanin ( like those with alot of moles) are also prone to skin cancer.

That becomes relative.. because something that might be perfect for you wouldn't be exactly PERFECT for someone else. So in reality the concept of perfection exists in your brain and perception only. And since I don't have a alot of moles, I must be perfect!!! Everyone knows that usually an IQ test doesn't prove shit. Some people are better at hands on work, some people at formulating plans and some people at inventing plans. So like I said being a genius is not perfect.. because you might lack one skill or the other.

This way the best human beings would be brown people because they've got a bit of both majorities, Blacks and Whites, they could be pretty like white people and athletic like black people hence they've got the PERFECT blend of everything making them look exotic.

Come on.. you can do better than that.

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Originally posted by digitul punk This way the best human beings would be brown people because they've got a bit of both majorities, Blacks and Whites, they could be pretty like white people and athletic like black people hence they've got the PERFECT blend of everything making them look exotic. Come on.. you can do better than that.

That is one of the most stereotypical and uneducated things I have ever heard anyone say. "Pretty like white people and athletic like black people". Its actually somewhat racist.
Yes the concept of perfection is relative. But no one thinks Rosanne Barr is hot but 99% of the male population thinks Heidi Klum is hot.
I wonder why that is?
My point is this, some people are blessed with god-given traits. Its what you do with it that matters. A smart, tall, good-looking person has a better chance in life than one who is the opposite.
Yes, maybe the first person might their leg shattered in a car accident, but that the odds of that is small.
Similarly, the second person who isn't as blessed might win the lottery, but the chance of that is also small.
I think you see my point.

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Originally posted by Gmoney part II That is one of the most stereotypical and uneducated things I have ever heard anyone say. "Pretty like white people and athletic like black people". Its actually somewhat racist. Yes the concept of perfection is relative. But no one thinks Rosanne Barr is hot but 99% of the male population thinks Heidi Klum is hot. I wonder why that is? My point is this, some people are blessed with god-given traits. Its what you do with it that matters. A smart, tall, good-looking person has a better chance in life than one who is the opposite. Yes, maybe the first person might their leg shattered in a car accident, but that the odds of that is small. Similarly, the second person who isn't as blessed might win the lottery, but the chance of that is also small. I think you see my point.

I had no intentions of being racist, and Yes that post was stereotypical mainly to explain the fact that there is no such thing as perfection. Like you said that "GOD" gifted some people with good looks and a good mind and some people are not "AS" gifted as the rest of them. But then again like GOD says "Nothing is created without a reason", so basically looks only don't count.. you gotta admit the fact that every person out there has some sort of special skill whether they realize it or not. Some people are good at sports, some people are good conversationalist, some people can do certain things better than the next one. My point here is no one needs to be "EXTERMINATED" just because they are unfit or don't look good enough.. that actually would be very HITLER-ish. Don't You agree?

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Originally posted by Gmoney part II

the fittest would be a person that is perfectly designed to survive the world he was born into and multiply.

in order to survive many different strains of a virus that mutates on a daily/weekly basis, a person must have mechanisms against all of them, which were completely irrelavant when he was born.

a 'perfect' person would'nt be born with those mechansims.

therefor, if you are 'perfect', you will not survive.

You know what there is always references to Darwins quote, "Only the strong will survive." But thats not true everyone will have thier time to die. Some just sooner than the rest. btw if this bird flu does get out of control I will just not go out as often and I will not go to places where their are a bunch of people packed together. You don't want to die than do just that and you will less to worry about.

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Originally posted by digitul punk But then again like GOD says "Nothing is created without a reason", so basically looks only don't count.. you gotta admit the fact that every person out there has some sort of special skill whether they realize it or not. Some people are good at sports, some people are good conversationalist, some people can do certain things better than the next one. My point here is no one needs to be "EXTERMINATED" just because they are unfit or don't look good enough.. that actually would be very HITLER-ish. Don't You agree?

Most people do have some skill. Except that 30 million other people also have that skill. Everyone wants to be #1, but there is only one
number one.
For example, I am good at basketball and investing money but I can't play pool worth shit. No matter how hard I try, I can't play pool worth a goddam thing. And even though I am good at basketball, there are many people better at it than I am ( that is why I am not in the NBA right now). But if I was 3-4 inches taller I might be in the NBA. But God (or my parents however you want to look at it) didn't make me 6'5.
And I never said people should be exterminated,I just said that that the world is based on survival of the fittest, and this bird flu should be no exception.

So now you are whining about your hieght . Sheez you at least are prolly taller than the rest of your family.

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Originally posted by Gmoney part II Most people do have some skill. Except that 30 million other people also have that skill. Everyone wants to be #1, but there is only one number one. For example, I am good at basketball and investing money but I can't play pool worth shit. No matter how hard I try, I can't play pool worth a goddam thing. And even though I am good at basketball, there are many people better at it than I am ( that is why I am not in the NBA right now). But if I was 3-4 inches taller I might be in the NBA. But God (or my parents however you want to look at it) didn't make me 6'5. And I never said people should be exterminated,I just said that that the world is based on survival of the fittest, and this bird flu should be no exception.

Why let it happen when you can prevent it from happening.. That's just flat out ignorant to me. People should just stop taking medicines and just let nature heal them.. Let's see whose the fittest your body or the illness.. I think that's really barbaric to think that way. You are coming back to a single point over and over again.. when it's pretty much proved that the world can't go on this way. Sometimes you have to go against your instincts.

For those of you just tuning in...we were discussing avian borne influenza.

Do we have any pre-med or med students here that can elaborate on biogenetics and influenza?

I know you're out there.

I got sidetracked. Anyway, forgetting about survival of the fittest,I think you guys are being a little bit paranoid. If we start freaking about this bird flu nonsense then we should also start freaking out about everything else. For example, the fact that Russia's nuclear weapons are not being guarded worth shit. Or that hurricanes are supposedly getting worse because of the greenhouse effect. I think we should leave this crap to the people who actually know what they are doing. I am sure the good people at the Center for Disease Control have a plan. And if they don't, there is nothing any of us can do about it anyway.

They normally would have a plan but the leader for the CDC is one of dubyas close friends. So we are screwed.

Well even if we are screwed then we are screwed. What the hell are either you or I supposed to do about it?

I dunno I guess we can whine about it start our own coven destroy the world our way or get rich before we all die i dunno.

To be forewarned is to be forearmed.
Some proverb from some dead guy.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 For those of you just tuning in...we were discussing avian borne influenza. Do we have any pre-med or med students here that can elaborate on biogenetics and influenza? I know you're out there.

What do you want to know?

Explain in simple terms for us that sit in the back row of the class room, like yours truly, how recombination works for starters please.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Explain in simple terms for us that sit in the back row of the class room, like yours truly, how recombination works for starters please.

Okay, this is going to sound cliche, but I literally just got home from the hospital, so let me sleep a few hours and we can delve into the wonderful world of pathogens and genetics.

Sorry...didn't have as much time as I thought I would today.

Anyway the quick and dirty on viral recombination.

In this case, recombination is a little different from the recombination that occurs in human sex cells. Whereas in meiosis parts of genes can recombine, in a virus, we're talking about entire genes being transplanted.

In the case of the avian flu, here is what people are thinking happens. You have a "bird" flu, that is found in birds and has properties that make it only harmful to birds, in that a human can't catch a cold from a sick bird. On the other hand, you have a "human" flu, that is the same, but only harmful to humans. With recombination, you are assuming that the "bird" flu, gets together with the "human" flu (either in another animal, or in the bird or human in areas where the two live close together, AKA Asia) and the two viruses switch some genes and now you have a "bird" flu that is contagious to humans.

The problem is this particular avian flu, that we are fearful will recombine and become virulant to humans, is a nasty one. It has killed millions of birds and seems to be very easily spread and works pretty quickly.

Another problem is that a general trend in communicable disease is that the higher the population density, the quicker a diease tends to act on its host, the easier it tends to spread and the more dire the outcome of the disease is (i.e. death instead of just a "cold"). If you look at flu outbreaks, such as ones that occured in barracks and military hospitals in WWI, you have "normal" flus that went out of control due to the high population densities found.

The phenomenon can also be seen in AIDS. In Africa, where you have a high population density and incredible rates of infection, the AIDS virus itself tends to be more virulant than its European or American counterpart. Even with the effects of drugs aside, the African AIDS/HIV virus is much more dangerous and deadly than the versions found on other continents.

Why is this? Simple, if you have a low population density an extremely virulant disease tends to kill itself off as it kills off hosts. However, in an area of high population, these "super" viruses are able to spread to new hosts before they themselves die off. It's a pretty sad, yet logical situation.

Okay, I think that's enough for now. Let me know if there are any questions.

Neophone you said you worked at a hospital; what do you do exactly?

I'm working on my masters degree in Anatomy and Physiology and I work two to three nights a week at a cancer hospital. There, I do phlebotomy work, EKGs, and a whole assortment of other patient care activities. It's a research hospital, so I also do data collection and other tasks associated with clinical trials and research.

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