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Originally posted by RebeL9 no you are still wrong. the Detroit sound is very much alive even today. In fact most of the big techno DJs today have a sound based on the detroit sound.

I don't believe I said the Detroit sound is dead, I couldn't, because I don't follow this part of the Techno scene. I absolutely have no problem with the Detroit sound. Just with the fact that your answers to the question "What is Techno?" ONLY refer to the Detroit sound, which in your opinion probably is the only sound which may be called Techno. I agree it is the oldest, but nowadays it's a subgenre and I cann't believe it was the biggest style of Techno.

I stop this discussion, because you are as flexible as a rock.
This site explains it all, or did they make the mistake by placing "Detroit Techno" among the substyles....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno_music

or:

http://www.technoguide.de/a/index.p...d=268&Itemid=93

http://www.technoguide.de


TRANCE is the WORD.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB I don't believe I said the Detroit sound is dead, I couldn't, because I don't follow this part of the Techno scene. I absolutely have no problem with the Detroit sound. Just with the fact that your answers to the question "What is Techno?" ONLY refer to the Detroit sound, which in your opinion probably is the only sound which may be called Techno. I agree it is the oldest, but nowadays it's a subgenre and I cann't believe it was the biggest style of Techno. I stop this discussion, because you are as flexible as a rock. This site explains it all, or did they make the mistake by placing "Detroit Techno" among the substyles.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno_music or: http://www.technoguide.de/a/index.p...d=268&Itemid=93 http://www.technoguide.de TRANCE is the WORD.

i still don't get you. techno is techno just as that wikipedia site tells. the techno artists I mentioned are still active today which says there. Scooter is not some kind of new wave techno.

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Trance: Layers:__________6-15 Melodies:________3-7 Made with:_______Synths, beatboxes, real instruments, samples, vocals, random sounds, electric guitars, acidboxes, etc. Melody lengths:__10 seconds, to 2 minutes Top 40 Hits:_____around 30 in North America, around 300 in Europe. Song structure:__Starts small, like a techno song, then adds layer after layer, building to climax of uber-layyered energy, often with tricks like taking away the beat to listen to the melody, then bringing it all back like a motha****a. Or maybe it gently reconnects them or something (there are hundreds of ways to build it up). By the middle there are a large number of melodies, most of which are parts of one another, and speeding up of the others. Sometimes vocals are added during the buildup, and sometimes vocals are added during the "breakdown", or when it builds up, or often not at all. Sometimes they are really repetitive, like one phrase over and over, and sometimes they're as ever-changing as classical. Most trance has crazy little "flying-sounds", and often contains really long air strings, and runaway melodies. Techno people hate it. It's WAY too memorable (read: good) and "poppy" (read: successful) for their snobbish razor-thin repetitive tastes. Techno: Layers:__________1-4 Melodies:________0-2 (95% of all techno is 100% beats, although some detroit stuff has one or two short melodies) Made with:_______beatboxes, samples Melody lengths:__1 second to 7 seconds (7 seconds is rare) Top 40 Hits:_____0 in North America, around 30 in Europe. Song Structure:__A beat starts at the beginning, then a couple beat layers are added at some point, which then repeat throughout the song, for the entire length. Sometimes there are cool little effects in the song, and sometimes the beats do funky little things. But that's about it. (it's okay sometimes, and some of the cooler ones are good). A techno song would look like a flat line, where trance would be all over the place. There are no vocals in techno (although there is an occasional vocal sample, or a particularly innovative song that adds them. Not that vocals are neccessary.)

Taken from http://www.listology.com/content_sh...ontent_id.11874

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There are no vocals in techno

Which track is considered to be the first worldwide Techno hit?
(so which entered the TOP40)

So by adding vocals something still can be Techno.

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Originally posted by s3nate Taken from http://www.listology.com/content_sh...ontent_id.11874

What a genuine piece of excrement.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 Your choice of arguements are the same as thousands of teenagers I here in Sweden. They believe that everything with a bassline is automaticly techno. And I can't count the number of times I've told various people that Scooter is not techno just because their website say so. They are just living on the hype. Here in Sweden for example there are some CDs which is called Trance blabla something. But there is not a single trance tune on them. Only cheesy eurodance. Just because the CD cover tells you that its techno or trance doesn't mean that the content is. And most commercial CD labels just got money in mind. How can they sell a compilation the easiest way? By putting techno on the CD cover and the kids will think "wow this is banging techno I must have it!" but instead its full of Scooter and Lasgo. And if we believed that Scooter actually made techno would we also believe what Warp Brothers are saying on their website: "You might somehow compare the style of the Warp Brothers to Prodigy or Chemical Brothers but the truth is that they created their own creative and unique sound."? HAH!

so, is that song that is played in scooters site when you open it techno or not?

^
No it isnt.

People always mislabel genres.

You wanna hear techno..listen to artists like sven vath, liebing, some old school carl cox

Lets just put it this way.

When you listen to a techno song, it always sounds edgier, with much emphasis on rhythm. Basically you will NOT hear any syths(synthesizers keyboards) or hear very little of it. It sounds very mechanical and is very very reptitive to the untrained ear.

Meaning unlike trance, it doesnt have a melody.

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Originally posted by trewqy Meaning unlike trance, it doesnt have a melody.

Yes it does. Just not all of it.

I want him to be clear on the definition.

Start from the basics, and from there he can recognise which one sounds like which.

For all u know he'll think some techtrance shit is techno, and some acid techno stuff from dave the drummer is actually trance.

I fail to see how you can associate Scooter with techno, Detroit or otherwise. There is nothing to suggest that the two have any connection. Apart from its initial resemblence to electro, techno has not changed that much in 20 years. Just because everyone started calling dance music "techno" in 1990, doesn't mean everything that got that label is techno.

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Originally posted by trewqy I want him to be clear on the definition. Start from the basics, and from there he can recognise which one sounds like which. For all u know he'll think some techtrance shit is techno, and some acid techno stuff from dave the drummer is actually trance.

First of all, I wasn't talking about tech-trance, which is a style of music I know close to nothing about.

Second of all, you were talking about the basics of techno. As you probably know, the basics of techno is actually quite melodic.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I fail to see how you can associate Scooter with techno, Detroit or otherwise. There is nothing to suggest that the two have any connection. Apart from its initial resemblence to electro, techno has not changed that much in 20 years. Just because everyone started calling dance music "techno" in 1990, doesn't mean everything that got that label is techno.

exactly what I've been trying to tell that guy in numerous posts
he still believes Scooter can be labeled as techno. Just read his first post in this thread again. Mark Oh............ the horror the horror.....

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Second of all, you were talking about the basics of techno. As you probably know, the basics of techno is actually quite melodic.

sorry buddy but i dont know what techno you have been listening to.

the techno ive heard - melody is largely irrelevant. many techno tunes are minimal to the point of not having any melody at all whereas others are just as dissonant as they are consonant. sometimes unmusical acidic 303 squelches. 303 basslines consisting of just 1 repeated note but stuttered or staggered to make it rhythmic. theres rarely any harmonisation at all. its impossible to create harmonies on a 303 anyway because it is monophonic (i.e. you can only ever play 1 note at a time). techno is a very rhythym oriented style of music and in my opinion works because of it.

it is fitting that the tools often used to create techno (303 transistor bass synth and roland transistor drum machines) are not played like conventional musical instruments either. they have no keys - only a 16 step timeline along 1 piano octave. thats partly why techno is characterised by its repetition, (in musical terms) its simplicity and its emphasis on percussive grooves.

i guess you could say its quite a primitive, tribal style of music. real back to basics, no faffing around stuff.

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Originally posted by Derivative sorry buddy but i dont know what techno you have been listening to.

Detroit.

Both the old stuff and newer producers and DJs influenced by those.

And you could have done without your recital of a 303 manual.

It sounds very mechanical and is very very reptitive to the untrained ear.

So seeing how I have one of those untrianed ears and agree with this statement, could someone explain to me, what variations in techno make the genre so applealing ot the trained ear?

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Originally posted by Derivative the techno ive heard - melody is largely irrelevant.

Well...I think he may have worded it a little badly by saying the basics of techno are melodic. Maybe that the beginnings of techno were melodic would be a better thing to say.

So all sub-styles developed out of Techno have nothing to do with Techno at all.

And a car with a electrical engine is not a car because it should have a gazoline engine? (like the first ones) Hmmmm.

"Duo Safri-Played A Live" without melody and synths would transform form Trance back into Techno. Sub-styles have nothing in common with Techno....

In my view Techno is the mother or father of all sub-styles, that way all sub-style have a bit of Techno in it, which maybe doesn't sound at all like the early (Detroit) Techno. (So even Scooter fits in this view).

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Originally posted by Trance-MB So all sub-styles developed out of Techno have nothing to do with Techno at all. And a car with a electrical engine is not a car because it should have a gazoline engine? (like the first ones) Hmmmm. "Duo Safri-Played A Live" without melody and synths would transform form Trance back into Techno. Sub-styles have nothing in common with Techno.... In my view Techno is the mother or father of all sub-styles, that way all sub-style have a bit of Techno in it, which maybe doesn't sound at all like the early (Detroit) Techno. (So even Scooter fits in this view).

yes but you seem to forget that techno even today is a genre of its own. which got nothing to do with Scooter.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB So all sub-styles developed out of Techno have nothing to do with Techno at all. And a car with a electrical engine is not a car because it should have a gazoline engine? (like the first ones) Hmmmm. "Duo Safri-Played A Live" without melody and synths would transform form Trance back into Techno. Sub-styles have nothing in common with Techno.... In my view Techno is the mother or father of all sub-styles, that way all sub-style have a bit of Techno in it, which maybe doesn't sound at all like the early (Detroit) Techno. (So even Scooter fits in this view).

I think you're mixing up "techno" with "edm". Techno and trance are both sub-genres of edm, but trance is not a sub-genre of techno, even though many of the early trance producers had a techno background. Many forms of edm has developed independently of techno, such as electro and ambient, so saying that techno is "the mother or father of all sub-styles" is wrong. Scooter has never, and will never produce techno music, period.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB So all sub-styles developed out of Techno have nothing to do with Techno at all. And a car with a electrical engine is not a car because it should have a gazoline engine? (like the first ones) Hmmmm. "Duo Safri-Played A Live" without melody and synths would transform form Trance back into Techno. Sub-styles have nothing in common with Techno.... In my view Techno is the mother or father of all sub-styles, that way all sub-style have a bit of Techno in it, which maybe doesn't sound at all like the early (Detroit) Techno. (So even Scooter fits in this view).

That's bullshit. Just because music has evolved from techno (which Scooter didn't anyway), doesn't mean it has to keep the name. Otherwise Scooter are disco (disco > house > acid house > KLF > Scooter). You can't just lump everything in under a distant parent genre when it sounds nothing like that style.

Call it techno....or.....call it what you want.

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Originally posted by Snooper I think you're mixing up "techno" with "edm". Techno and trance are both sub-genres of edm, but trance is not a sub-genre of techno, even though many of the early trance producers had a techno background. Many forms of edm has developed independently of techno, such as electro and ambient, so saying that techno is "the mother or father of all sub-styles" is wrong. Scooter has never, and will never produce techno music, period.

In the early 90's trance was considered a sub genre of techno, the commercialism has given a trance a new idenity it seems.

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Originally posted by GT40 In the early 90's trance was considered a sub genre of techno,

No it wasn't.

Oh, oh, I wanna make a clever reference too!




Techno sucks.

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Originally posted by GT40 In the early 90's trance was considered a sub genre of techno, the commercialism has given a trance a new idenity it seems.

No, those days trance was called techno in Amerika. Every fucked up track with a beat/bass was called techno their. Thats why american people call Scooter techno. In europe techno was called techno from the beginning. And scooter is no techno. Don't wanna hear that again here.

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