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What in the world are the Marlins doing...i see that Delgado might be headed to the Mets and now Lowell,Paul Lo Duca and Pierre are all on the block.I am not a Marlins fan by any means but5 when franchises pull this crap it really offends me .Gee and they wonder why they have such attendance problems
They don't make any money. And, from the moment Delgado was signed, I knew he would be traded.
4M in 2005
13.5M in 2006
14.4M in 2007
16M in 2008
Backloaded much?
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| Originally posted by Shamez214 They don't make any money. And, from the moment Delgado was signed, I knew he would be traded. 4M in 2005 13.5M in 2006 14.4M in 2007 16M in 2008 Backloaded much? |
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| Originally posted by SlackerBoy9 Curse you Bobby Bonilla |
If the Red Sox lose Johnny Damon then i think Juan Pierre would be a great fit for them.
As for Delgado i see him as being like a Vlad Guerrero and not wanting to deal with the pressures and media attention of a huge market like New York,I would much rather see the Mets if he becomes available get Luis Castillo,guy is a great glove at second and creates havoc on the base paths
new rumors
Marlins close to dealing Beckett
November 19
Palm Beach Post: "In what could be the first step of a major housecleaning in Florida, the Marlins and Rangers are close to completing a trade that would send Beckett and Lowell to Texas for first baseman Hank Blalock and a top pitching prospect, two baseball sources said Friday night... The Marlins also are pushing hard to trade center fielder Juan Pierre, and the Colorado Rockies have expressed an interest in catcher Paul Lo Duca. "
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Note: Rumors listed starting with the most recent
Elmer Dessens- COL has offered 2-years, 2.5M (+ incentives)...Indians, Orioles, Mariners, Yankees and Kansas City also interested...Dessens has turned down the Rockies' offer is leaning toward signing a 2-year, 3.4M deal with the Royals
Gary Glover and Mannny Aybar- the Youmiri Giants of Japan are interested in signing them...Aybar has already visited and tried out for them...the Giants may also try to re-acquire Roberto Petagine
Lenny Harris- Marlins want to bring him back
Geoff Blum- Padres close to signing him
Reggie Sanders- Royals have met with him...the Cards would like to bring him back...M's, Marlins and Twins also have interest
Yusaku Iriki- Japanese RHP will be posted by the Nippon Ham Fighters soemtime in the next few days...it's unknown if any teams will have interest in the 33-year-old
Bill Mueller- Twins interested...seeking 4M a year
Carl Everett- Twins very interested
Juan Encarnacion- WAS is focusing all their efforts on him
Chris Hammond- Rockies interested
Alex Gonzalez- Braves and Cubs have contacted him
Mike Myers- Red Sox have made an offer to re-sign him
Mike Lowell- a couple teams have interest, but Marlins would still have to pick up a lot of his 18M in remaining salary to deal him
Juan Pierre- a radio report indicates the Cubs are close to acquiring him for a pair of minor leaguers
Kyle Lohse- will not be traded to Cubs for Corey Patterson, but still the Twins are open to trading him...will be tendered a contract
Joe Randa- Dodgers have interest in him and Bill Mueller
Nomar Garciaparra- Cubs have talked with him, but unlikely to return...Dodgers have contacted him
Tony Graffanino- Royals and Twins interested, but he is seeking a 2-year deal
Kenny Rogers- Royals interested
Dontrelle Willis- sides plan to talk to about a long-term deal
Todd Walker- Cubs may be interested in acquiring Aaron Heilman for him
Brett Tomko- Rangers interested
Byung-Hyun Kim- Rangers interested
Johnny Damon- seeking 7-years, 84M and will only considering playing for a handful of teams, which he has previously said does not include the Yankees...previously, Boras has offered BOS a 6-year, 72M proposal with BOS countering with 3-years, 25M and 4-years, 40M...Red Sox planning to make a preliminary offer soon
Hideki Matsui- Yankees will try to sign him to an extension..he would like to play another 7 more years with the NYY, to match his 10 years with the Giants in Japan...he must be re-signed by Nov. 15th, or the Yankees will be forced to place him on waivers (for the purpose of releasing him) ...Yankees are nearing finalization of a 4-year, 52M deal with him
Sammy Sosa- will not return to O's...is on Steve Phillips' Top 50 Free Agents List and is predicted to sign with Tampa
Frank Thomas- Oakland, Baltimore and the ChiSox will be interested in signing him to a 1-year, discounted deal if they know he is healthy
B.J. Ryan- O's want him back...NY teams interested...will meet with Jays
Mike Cameron- Orioles, D-backs, Red Sox and Padres interested...the Padres have agreed to trade Xavier Nady to the Mets for Cameron, pending physicals both...Cameron must also pass an eye-check... the deal may not be announced till Friday or possibly early next week
Brad Ausmus- Astros working to re-sign him
Julio Lugo- Braves and Mets interested
Jamie Moyer- continuing negotiations with M's
Eduardo Perez- Mets like him and Julio Franco
Lyle Overbay- the Brewers have found no offers to their liking
Jeff Cirillo- Brewers working to re-sign him
Rick Helling- Brewers working to re-sign him
Mark Sweeney- Giants interested
Abraham Nunez- Phillies interested
Kiyoshi Toyoda- Indians have interested in the Japanese free agent, a RHP...it's likely, though, that he will remain in Japan
Larry Bibgie- the Rockies are shopping him and to make things easier they are close to avoiding arbitration with him by signing him to a 1-year, 850K deal
Ramon Hernandez- Padres don't expect him to re-sign...Mets have met with him
Kenji Jojima (Joe-geema)- the Japanese catcher is touring the States and is talking with the Mets, Mariners, Padres, Dodgers, Astros and Angels ...should he find offers to his liking, he will stay here... if not the Japanese free agent will sign a 4-year, 20M deal or a 1-year, 6M deal to return to his Japanese team...is seeking 3-years, 16-18M....is reportedly close to signing a 2-year deal worth 8M with an option for 2008 with Seattle...Jojima was in Seattle on Friday when he and agent Alan Nero reportedly agreed to the deal...other reports, however, say the two sides haven't even begun negotiations
Julio Mateo- wants a long-term deal from M's
B.J. Surhoff- wants to re-sign with the Orioles for one final season
Javier Vazquez- has formally demanded a trade because he would like to pitch closer to Puerto Rico...if not traded by March 15th, he could declare free agency and forfeit the 2-years, 24M remaining on his contract...the Mets, Phillies, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Tigers and Cardinals will have interest
Jeromy Burnitz- Royals interested
Victor Santos- to sign a minor league deal with Royals
Orlando Hudson- the Royals wanted him and offered packages that included Jeremy Affeldt and Mike MacDougal, but the Blue Jays rejected the offers
Scott Eyre- Giants working to re-sign him and have offered a 2-year deal with an option for 2008... is seeking around 3-years, 10M...all 30 clubs have expressed interest in him
Luke Hochevar- the Dodgers still can sign him because he has decided not to attend fall semsester classes ( but he can still enroll for classes in the Spring semester and still be eligible to pitch for Tennessee)... Hochevar is seeking $4 million as part of a major league deal, while Dodgers have offered a little more than $2 million, which would make him the highest-paid draft pick in team history...the Dodgers have upped their offer to 2.5M...... Big Mess...the Dodgers currently have no offer on the table and negotiations are not on-going...the Dodgers resumed negotiations in early November
Aaron Miles- Rockies shopping him...only two teams have mild interest...more teams are interested in Ryan Shealey, but the Rockies don't want to move him yet
Randy Winn- Giants will working on signing him to a long-term extension later during the off-season
Bret Boone- looking to restart career...has talked with Royals...could b option for the Cards, as well
Todd Jones- Marlins working to re-sign him...would like to sign with the Braves
Carlos Delgado- Mariners, Orioles, among otherts interested...does not want to be traded
Steve Finley- Padres interested in acquiring him for Ryan Klesko
Sammy Sosa- 0 teams interested
Jason LaRue- may be traded...would like a 3-year contract if he remains in Cincy
David Riske- if the Indians trade him, Texas, San Diego, the Yankees and the Mets will have interest
Mike Coolbaugh- close to signing a minor league deal with Kansas City
Tom Gordon- seeking a 3-year deal...Mets interested...Yankees have made an informal 2-year offer
Kevin Mench- Kansas City interested in sending Jeremy Affeldt to Texas for him...Pittsburgh interested in sending Kip Wells or another pitcher to Texas for him... Toronto interested in sending Alex Rios, Brandon League or Miguel Batista to Texas for him...Cubs have interest...the Rangers want Zack Greinke, but the Royals refuse to give up that much
Paul Konerko- will likely be offered 4-years, 52M by Sox...Angels are also planning to make an offer
Yovit Torrealba- the Rockies will attempt to trade for him if the Mariners sign Kenji Jojima
Eric Young- Colorado does not have a lot of interest meaning the Padres could end up re-signing him for about $500K
Matt Holliday- Rockies have begun talks about 4-year deal that would buyout his arbitration years and first year of free agency...the Rockies are also working to sign Aaron Cook to an extension
Brian Fuentes- Rockies have opened up talks about a 2-year deal with an option for 2008
Bob Howry- is seeking a 3-year deal worth about 10.5-12M...the Indians are interested in a 2-year, 7.5M deal for him
Paul Byrd- Angels optimistic that they can get 1-year deal done with him...Baltimore and Texas interested...has received numerous offers including a 3-year offer
Danys Baez- is hoping to receive a 3-year extension from the Rays...they currently hold on option on his contract for next season that they will likely exercise...if they decline it, he would be eligible for arbitration...the Mets are working to a set-up a trade in which they would acquire Aubrey Huff and Baez (it would be a Plan B if the Mets fail to sign Billy Wagner/B.J. Ryan)
Jorge Cantu- Rays working on a long-term deal with him
Russ Springer- Astros working to re-sign him
Frank Robinson- is unlikely to return to the Nats next season even when the new owner comes in, which should happen before Thanksgiving
Hirotoshi Ishii- 10 teams including the Padres and Red Sox have interest in the 28-year-old Japanse LHP...he's not a free agent but might be posted by the Yakult Swallows...he was in the States last month to watch a few playoff games
Jacque Jones- the Padres are interested in signing him if Brian Giles does not re-sign or Dave Roberts is traded...Mariners interested
Sidney Ponson- several teams are showing interest...he could come as a bargain
Laynce Nix- Padres are very interested and the Rangers like Adam Eaton...Mets, Indians Dodgers and Royals also have interest in him, Alfonso Soriano and Adrian Gonzalez...Texas and San Diego like the Indians' Coco Crisp... though the Padres don'thave too much interest in Soriano, they have discussed a deal with Texas that would send Soriano and Nix to SD for Mark Loretta and Eaton
Jeff Conine- is close to signing a deal to return to the Marlins next season
Eli Marrero- Rockies interested
Jorge Posada- Yankees shopping him
Rey Ordonez- interested in returning to baseball...Marlins are a possibility
Scott Elarton- 7 to 8 teams have shown interest
Joey Eischen- Mets have had contact
Bengie Molina- Mets have shown interest and have met with him
Jamie Moyer- M's have begun talks with him
Tony Graffanino- Mets interested
Ricardo Rincon- A's working on bringing him back
Marquis Grissom- Rockies have interest in him Jeff Conine...several contenders interested in Grissom
Alex Cintron- CHW interested
Rick White- Priates are working to re-sign him to a 1 or 2-year deal and he wants to return
Joe McEwing- Royals hope to bring him back
Brian Meadows- hoping to return to PIT next season...COL offering 2-year deal and pursuing him agressively
Matt Morris- STL, COL, SEA, KC, SF, TEX and about a half-dozen other have made contact
Trevor Hoffman- is seeking 3-years, 25-27M, while the Padres have offered only 2-years, 10M...Braves, Mets, Mariners and others have interest
Hector Carrasco- WAS is working to re-sign him
Dusty Baker and Jim Hendry- will likely receive 2-year contract extension thru 2008 season during the Spring
Billy Wagner- Wagner thinks he and the Phillies will work out an extension...the Phillies reportedly offered Wagner a 2-year, 14M deal with a club option for 2008 worth 8.5M, and Wagner has upped his counteroffer to 3-years, 27M and a no-trade clause...Mets are working incredibly hard to sign him
Pedro Astacio- the Rockies have opened up talks with him...the Padres are hoping to bring him back for about 1.5M
Derrek Lee- the Cubs plan to try signing him to a long-term deal this off-season
Rafael Furcal- seeking up to 5-years, 50M... is interested in playing for the Mets and is willing to play 2B...Atlanta is attempting to re-sign him... the Cubs have interest...Royals have interest...the Braves have offered a 3-year deal, but are ready to up to 4-years and maybe even 4-years + a 5th year option...Neifi Perez has personally invited Furcal to join him Chicago... NYY interested in him as a CF
Theo Epstein- rejected a 2-year, 1.9M deal thru 2007 and is seeking a 5-year deal from the Sox that would make him the highest-paid GM in baseball...he was said to be close to agreeing to a 5-year, 12.5Mish deal, but the sides appear far apart on money...BOS offered around 800K a year for three years and then offered 1.2M a year for three years, but he still wants around 2M a year...announced his resignation after he was unable to come to terms with the team and he is now free to pursue any job he wants
A.J. Burnett- the free agent's first stop will be Toronto...Seattle, Baltimore, Washington will also try to woo him and whisk him off the market quickly... Blue Jays, Rangers, Tigers and Mariners have begun their pursuits... 22 teams contacted him and he narrowed the list down to an even 10...he hopes to meet with all 10 teams before Thanksgiving and then make his final decision right after Thanksgiving
Dan Miceli- Rockies working to re-sign him
Jeromy Burnitz- the Cubs are interested in bringing him back if he is willing to accept a salary of 3M or less... retirement is a possibility
Kevin Appier- is attempting to restart his career again...he filed for reinstatement recently and once removed from the voluntarily retirement list, he will have to wait 2 months to sign a deal
Mike Piazza- the Mets offered him a 1-year deal to return as a bench player in 2006 and he quickly rejected.. he will move on via free agency...3 teams interested, including the Orioles
David Wells- though he plans to return next season no matter what, he would like to do so with a West Coast team and has asked Boston for a trade...could be sent to San Diego for Aki Otsuka, Sean Burroughs or Dave Roberts
Esteban Loaiza- has been offered a 2-year, 8M deal to return to WAS, however he will test the market once he declines his side of a mutual option for 2006...he wants 3-years, 21M
Matt LeCroy- Rangers interested
Royce Clayton- has been offered a 1-year deal to return in 2006 (likely worth about 1.5M), but he says he will test the open market first
Tim Worrell- the D-Backs have begun negotiations to being him back next season...they are offering a 1-year, 1M deal while he is seeking closer to 2M...he would open to a 1-year, 1M deal with incentives that could potentially kick it up to 2-3M, but the Diamondbacks are unwilling to offer such a deal
Shawn Estes- the D-Backs are hoping to bring him back next season and he hopes to return to Arizona because he makes his off-season home there... the Rockies and Dodgers are interested
Daisuke Matsuzaka- the Seibu Lions will not post their star RHP meaning Matsuzaka will have to wait at least one more season before achieving his dream of playing in MLB
Jason Bay- the Pirates have cautiously opened up talks with his agent about a 4-year deal athat would buyout his arbitration years...there is no deadline or rush to get a deal done...a 4-year, 16M deal could get done in a matter of weeks
Brian Giles- would like to play with his brother in ATL, but could always re-sign and have the Padres trade for Marcus, who said he would play any position for the Padres..his other former team, CLE, will also be interested......STL interested in him...the Padres are making progress on a long-term deal with him...there's still a significant financial gap, but it's not as vast as when negotations began...SEA interested...Yankees have expressed interest...LA to make preliminary offer to him..Red Sox have interest...NYY thinking about offering him 3-years, 30M
Kevin Millwood- the Indians are willing to offer a 3-year deal to Kevin Millwood and will make the largest offer they can which will probably be upwards of 25M...he is seeking a 5-year deal...Baltimore interested
Kenny Rogers- the Rangers will not offer him a contract to return to the team in 2006
Kaz Matsui- the Rockies want him in exchange for Aaron Miles if the Mets pay Matsui's 8M salary
Adrian Beltre- was recently offered to the Angels
Paul Bako- would like to return to Dodgers in 2006 and they want him back, but he may choose to sign elsewhere if he deems that they won't be competitive in 2006
Kirk Rueter- Cubs and Cards are interested...Yankees and Angels could use him...Yanks have contacted him, but has told them he prefers to sign with a NL contender...declined a chance to pitch for WAS...will likely sign a minor league deal with a ST invite with CHI during the off-season
Jesus Colome- citing himself, he is seeking a trade away from the Rays
Tim Salmon- will probably return to LAA next year on a minor league deal as a ST NRI
Justin Upton- will attend a North Carolina JuCo... the D-Backs still control his rights till next June, but would only a one-week period prior to the 2006 draft to sign him....the D-Backs offered a minor league contract with a 4.675M bonus with Upton countering for a record 6.25M... the Diamondbacks were reluctant to give him a guaranteed major league deal
Sean Burroughs- the CHW and SD were set to swap Joe Borchard for Burroughs in August, but SD's interest in Borchard waned and the deal was scrapped...SD will trade Burroughs elsewhere this off-season
Kyle Farnsworth- prior to trading him, the Tigers gave him a contract extension offer that was rejected... they felt they would not be able to re-sign him and decided to trade him
Ned Yost- will get a contract extension before season's end...the club currently just holds an option for 2006
Jeff Weaver- Dodgers will soon start extension talks with Weaver, who wants to remain a Dodger, but he could end up commanding more on the open market as one of the best SPs avaliable on a thin free agent market...currently, each side is waiting for the other party to make the first offer...WAS interested in acquiring him
Javier Vazquez- prefers to pitch on East Coast...ARI had been in talks with FLA, BAL, CHW, DET, PHI, and LA and others...in a trade with BAL they would want a young SP (Erik Bedard), Jorge Julio and a young OF (Jay Gibbons, Luis Matos) and from PHI they would likely get SP Randy Wolf, though ARI wouldn't be interested...in a trade with FLA, ARI would get Scott Olsen or Jason Stokes...he could demand a trade after this off-season season, under terms of the CBA, and if not traded by March 15th of next year he could opt for free agency and thus forfeit the remainder of his contract
Art Howe- hopes to return as a manager or at least a coach somewhere in the bigs by next season
Sang Ho-Moon- 23-year old Korean free agent hurler has worked out twice this week for the CHW and would like to sign with them, despite interest from several teams according to agent Charles Yeh...the CHW are offering him about a 70K bonus and want him as reliever, while he wants to be a starter and is seeking a six-figure bonus
Cliff Floyd- Mets trying to deal him...Cubs a possibilty...TEX has held trade talks with NYM about him, though they would need the Mets to eat most of the 13.2M left on his deal..he would be the DH in TEX...NY media, however, are reporting that the Mets will keep the team they have for the time being...Rangers remain interested in him, Ryan Klesko, Aubrey Huff, Mike Sweeney and Rondell White, though restrictions and problems come with each player
Felipe Alou- wants to return to the Giants in 2006, and whenever he feels like it, the Giants will have him sign an extension
Jong-Soo Shim- Korean slugger wants to be first Koren Pro Player to play in America and he has field for free agency...during the offseason, many teams contcated the RF, a defensive
BECKETT... wow... I guess they are trying to unload everyone...
I would take Juan Pierre over Johnny Damon every day of the week, especially now... Damon is too old to be asking for a seven year contract, he needs to hit the road... go to some crapper team... I can't see any team giving him that kind of contract...
That list is crazy, where is it from?
Jacque Jones is a FA? I always thought he was a good player...
Looks like Sammy is going to pull the Greg Vaughn and fade away in Tampa Bay... oh well....
I'm real... and I know the sox are going to suck this year... Theo was smart enough to realize it, and he did the right thing... they're going after MIKE CAMERON... that should settle everything, they're done... too bad, so sad...
http://www.mlb4u.com/rumors.html
i was searching around and bumped into it....lists all the team needs and projected payroll
Juan Pierre is decent but his OBP was merely .326 last year with a batting average of .276. He did steal 57 bases but he was caught stealing 17 times. That's a % of .77 which isn't that spectacular. He has great range with his speed but isn't known for a strong arm or particularly great defense. That OBP is a real concern if I was a G.M. even though the year before he had one for .374 which is good.
Damon has a weaker arm than Bernie Williams which is saying a ton! I think he's on the downside of his career and 7 years is ridiculous at his age. A three year deal for a team that already has solid defensive outfielders at the corner positions makes sense.
Trading Cameron for Nady? That's it? I'm sure Cameron was worth more than a platoon guy with some pop. Cameron is one of the best defensive outfielders and there's a glut of teams looking for CF help. I don't get that trade fellas.... Man I wish he was roaming CF for the Yanks, he'd be perfect!!
I think the Yankees should trade Sheffield for CF help if they could. I know his contract proves difficult combined with his rotten personality when things don't go his way but I got to imagine some takers...
I hear Josh Beckett is about to be traded to Texas with Mike Lowell and his exhorbitant salary for Hank Blalock and a prospect.
I really hope the Sox don't get Cameron... because this town is full of stupid fans... and they will immediately put so much pressure on the guy... I know what type of player Mike Cameron is, and if they bring him into this town to replace Damon... every idiot fan will expect him to carry that load... but it could never happen, because Cameron is not that good...
Juan had a slightly off year this past season... he's still one of the top 5 leadoff men though. I could so see Juan in the bronx... seems to be a guy I could see in pinstripes...
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| Originally posted by Member of X I think the Yankees should trade Sheffield for CF help if they could. I know his contract proves difficult combined with his rotten personality when things don't go his way but I got to imagine some takers... |
meh i knew eventually we coudnt keep EVERYBODY. We have to sign Willis and Cabrera for sure but realstically we just cant afford the other guys,i do however dont think we ll unload Delgado yet
props to encal on saying the truth and callin his own red sox fans stupid 
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| Originally posted by Eddie N MIAMI meh i knew eventually we coudnt keep EVERYBODY. We have to sign Willis and Cabrera for sure but realstically we just cant afford the other guys,i do however dont think we ll unload Delgado yet props to encal on saying the truth and callin his own red sox fans stupid |
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| Originally posted by Member of X Trading Cameron for Nady? That's it? I'm sure Cameron was worth more than a platoon guy with some pop. Cameron is one of the best defensive outfielders and there's a glut of teams looking for CF help. I don't get that trade fellas.... Man I wish he was roaming CF for the Yanks, he'd be perfect!! |
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| Originally posted by Shamez214 Supposedly, Mets are talking with the Marlins about Castillo in addition to Delgado. I'd take both of them, even though I don't like Castillo too much. |
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| Originally posted by SlackerBoy9 I would gladly take both of them.Get rid of Matsui,keep Miguel Cairo as a utility infielder and now it looks like by tuesday B.J. Ryan will be our next closer.i want to see the Mets sign Guillermo Mota,i think he is still one of the best middle relievers I think we will be keeping Nady as well |
What about Carl Pavano???
He supposedly wants out of the bronx...
I always laugh, because all these guys who go there??? What? Do they think they're going to be top shelf with guys like AROD and Unit on the same team???
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| Originally posted by King Ecnal What about Carl Pavano??? He supposedly wants out of the bronx... I always laugh, because all these guys who go there??? What? Do they think they're going to be top shelf with guys like AROD and Unit on the same team??? |
Nope. Sadly... Pavano just plain sucks.
However, one ex-Yankee I do want on the Mets is Javier Vasquez. He has to be traded by February or else he'll become a FA.
HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!
...BECKETT in BOSTON???????
I hate when the red sox go and do crap like this, dammit, I pledged I was done with the friggen sox... this really puts me in a spot... because the only guy that could bring me back as a sox fan would be Troy Glaus or Josh Beckett....
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| Originally posted by King Ecnal HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!! ...BECKETT in BOSTON??????? I hate when the red sox go and do crap like this, dammit, I pledged I was done with the friggen sox... this really puts me in a spot... because the only guy that could bring me back as a sox fan would be Troy Glaus or Josh Beckett.... |
lol... I could not believe the Marlins took Hanley Ramirez, I think the guy is so friggen over-rated... every idiot up here WAS calling for Ramirez' name when Rentaria stunk it up all season... because fans are stupid... but Hanley Ramirez is nothing special, he's awful, but he was the best prospect in the sox farm system, which says a lot.......means....... the marlins just got average crap...lol!
What's the over/under on Josh Beckett's starts? 20? Dude is as fragile as Fred "the glass" Taylor.
It's win/win.... yes Beckett is infamous with his blisters and other injuries... but he's better than Bronson Arroyo, and the other losers on that staff...
The sox are screwed, because they need to essentially score 8 or more runs a game this season to win, because the pitching is awful... either way, they're going to suck, because they'll trade Manny for peanuts, and they'll crumble... oh well...
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| Originally posted by King Ecnal lol... I could not believe the Marlins took Hanley Ramirez, I think the guy is so friggen over-rated... every idiot up here WAS calling for Ramirez' name when Rentaria stunk it up all season... because fans are stupid... but Hanley Ramirez is nothing special, he's awful, but he was the best prospect in the sox farm system, which says a lot.......means....... the marlins just got average crap...lol! |
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