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Posted by eRRaTiK on Nov-17-2005 13:30:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
so, basically its up to begic, marsh, pho mo & onion. if trance in australia dies then im blaming yous cvnts.




+1


Posted by ONION on Nov-17-2005 14:13:

Melbourne was the Trance captial of the world outside of Germany many m00ns ago... International DJs / Producers at that time LOVED to play here... We also had a plethora of talented producers... Check out the 'psy harmonics' label and you will see for yourself... These guys who produced here locally in the 'underground' scene... were well known in Europe, where Trance was evolving into an awesome genre...

12 years on, and we now have a new generation of talented producers writing some cool stuff. To say that it may be a difficult path for these talented producers to become well known across the globe is probably quite fair... The reason for that is theres waaaaaay too much competition, the scene isnt underground anymore... Its more about marketting and pushing your music to the right people at the right time than it is about how good your track is...

The other thing to mention is there are way too many copycats out there who are trying to emulate the "big names" sound, instead of trying to be creative and unique... Why would a label want to sign a unsigned producer who writes similar to Ferry Corsten when they can actually sign Ferrys music to their label? Less money? Maybe! But that sort of thing wont get you noticed by anyone, when theres another 50 million producers writing in a similar style sending their tracks to the same "big labels"...

The only way to work around this is for Australia to have a label that pushes a unique style of Trance... Or just a unique sound entirely. Not a label that pushes "copycat" style of music... Think of how the label Platipus came about... the sort of music they pushed in comparison to what everyone else was doing... Their SOUND was UNIQUE...

So to answer your question in order for australians to become well known overseas, they need to push music thats unique


Posted by Light The Fuse on Dec-14-2005 23:20:

Had a chat with ajs1 last night and i think we both came to the conclusion that some more Psy would be a big step forward.


Posted by batemanscott on Dec-14-2005 23:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Light The Fuse
Had a chat with ajs1 last night and i think we both came to the conclusion that some more Psy would be a big step forward.



I dont know mang, psy is not a particularly accessible genre for those currently outside of edm.

It may be good a good thing for those already in the scene, but i think our problem lies not in what people already into edm are getting into; but raher getting new people into edm.


Posted by 00soups00 on Dec-14-2005 23:52:

imho the key to getting new people into trance comes from people who are already in trance and are knowledgeable in trance giving the newbies good stuff to listen to. Also the producers of today coming up with original sounding trance, instead of the same recycled basslines that seem to get produced today. Newbies will most likely get bored of it very quickly..

but really, who knows..


Posted by batemanscott on Dec-14-2005 23:55:

Agree soups, i think its also getting rid of the stigma that "you have to take drugs to go".


Posted by Light The Fuse on Dec-15-2005 00:06:

some of the ticon stuff is very interchangable with the sorta d-nox stuff imo---and the dnox stuff is kiiiling it atm


Posted by Anomyst on Dec-15-2005 00:08:

quote:
Originally posted by batemanscott
Agree soups, i think its also getting rid of the stigma that "you have to take drugs to go".


or you could just get people to take more drugs.. haha


Posted by batemanscott on Dec-15-2005 00:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Anomyst
or you could just get people to take more drugs..


That is something i will look into closely over the weekend.


Posted by queen_vee on Dec-15-2005 00:34:

quote:
Originally posted by 00soups00
imho the key to getting new people into trance comes from people who are already in trance and are knowledgeable in trance giving the newbies good stuff to listen to. Also the producers of today coming up with original sounding trance, instead of the same recycled basslines that seem to get produced today. Newbies will most likely get bored of it very quickly..

but really, who knows..


Ay soups! Today's trance is pretty meh... I'm living in the past which is the only reason I say I like trance!

And I indeed am converting my friends with my selection compilations (it's very romantic making compilation cd's ) whereby I put on the old progressive/trance classics and they fall in love with the music and live in hope like me it will all get good again!

There was a reason 98-01 had superclubs of people adoring trance; the tracks were impossible not to like!


Posted by Light The Fuse on Dec-15-2005 00:34:

quote:
Originally posted by 00soups00
imho the key to getting new people into trance comes from people who are already in trance and are knowledgeable in trance giving the newbies good stuff to listen to. Also the producers of today coming up with original sounding trance, instead of the same recycled basslines that seem to get produced today. Newbies will most likely get bored of it very quickly..

but really, who knows..


producers are coming up with original sounding trance...its called psy


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Dec-15-2005 00:39:

i think you need to balance the old with the new. i mean, im still coming across old classics ive never heard before (yeah, i know, get fvcked) so the *totally* ignorant kiddies will have experienced even less. so displaying some of le olde tunes isnt always a bad thing imo.


Posted by queen_vee on Dec-15-2005 00:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Light The Fuse
producers are coming up with original sounding trance...its called psy


The Melovsky's- Psychedelic Cowboy..... TUNE SERIOUS TUNE!!!


Posted by narcism on Dec-15-2005 01:55:

quote:
Originally posted by Light The Fuse
producers are coming up with original sounding trance...its called psy


and its been around for ages


Posted by Light The Fuse on Dec-15-2005 02:00:

hehe yeah i know --time to bring it to the people a bit more


Posted by limitedtimeonly on Dec-15-2005 02:13:

For trance to go forward it has to fight fire with fire against house music and R&B - radio edits of tunes are a must

Trance tunes, especially vocal tunes need radio edits, (i think trance is on the radio all the time OS), so that trance can get some airplay and publicity

Hopefully this will teach people to seperate people like yakooza and lasgo from trance and give them a chance to here some quality


Posted by tathi on Dec-15-2005 02:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Light The Fuse
producers are coming up with original sounding trance...its called psy

agree.


Posted by narcism on Dec-15-2005 02:35:

quote:
Originally posted by tathi
agree.


but there is nothing original about it if its been around the traps for years, unless you are saying they are taking sounds that most people havent heard before and placing them into songs.


Posted by Light The Fuse on Dec-15-2005 02:36:

quote:
Originally posted by limitedtimeonly
For trance to go forward it has to fight fire with fire against house music and R&B - radio edits of tunes are a must

Trance tunes, especially vocal tunes need radio edits, (i think trance is on the radio all the time OS), so that trance can get some airplay and publicity

Hopefully this will teach people to seperate people like yakooza and lasgo from trance and give them a chance to here some quality


but then if trance producers start doing full on radio edits and vocal edits and all that - then wont trance still be regarded as cheesy crap like yakooza and lasgo all ready do?


Posted by tathi on Dec-15-2005 03:01:

quote:
Originally posted by narcism
but there is nothing original about it if its been around the traps for years, unless you are saying they are taking sounds that most people havent heard before and placing them into songs.

yes, psy producers are more disposed to experiment with different sounds, and less inclined to conform to some sort of formula just to get signed by a label like Armada


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Dec-15-2005 03:10:

quote:
Originally posted by tathi
yes, psy producers are more disposed to experiment with different sounds, and less inclined to conform to some sort of formula just to get signed by a label like Armada


whilst i had gastro last week i experimented with different sounds.


Posted by batemanscott on Dec-15-2005 03:58:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
whilst i had gastro last week i experimented with different sounds.


If begic ever left me i would hope it was to u pkc


Posted by Aesthetic on Dec-15-2005 04:00:

I retire and renounce my throne to PKC.

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
whilst i had gastro last week i experimented with different sounds.


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Dec-15-2005 04:04:

quote:
Originally posted by batemanscott
If begic ever left me i would hope it was to u pkc


haha. nah, you two bring me too much joy id never be a home-wrecker.

quote:
Originally posted by DaveBegic
I retire and renounce my throne to PKC


haha, what bollocks! you shall remain on that throne & mock soups for all of us to enjoy


Posted by limitedtimeonly on Dec-15-2005 04:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Light The Fuse
but then if trance producers start doing full on radio edits and vocal edits and all that - then wont trance still be regarded as cheesy crap like yakooza and lasgo all ready do?


Nah i don't think so because those types of songs are just shit. there is no reason why a quality trance tune can't be a radio edit for mainstream listening. Just becuase we have a radio edit of the song doesn't make it cheesey


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