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Missing the point. Missing the point. Missing the point.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I've been listening to trance for five years, and I've bought loads of retrospective compilations, but I've never heard it, and when you ask around, it's far less well-known than any of the genuine classics. It's a genre-track.

o rly? Only interpreted your comment...

And it being a genre track? I've seen UN pop up on mtv even during the current reign of Hip Hop (or what's supposed to be considered as Hip Hop)

I really find it hard to believe that all the non-TA Trance loving/ knowing people you know have never heard about UN. (i'm not saying they have to like it or play it frequently themselves, because that depends on personal taste)

I've know people who never listen to trance specificly and still recognized it from hearing (although they did not know the titel)



And next time you roll your eyes like that, i'll whip you 7 times. Yea i know you were rolling your eyes when reading my post

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Tiesto sucks unbelievable amounts of cock and balls.

I think Universal Nation only got that sort of exposure in Belgium. I've never ever ever ever seen it in the TV, heard it in any commercial, heard anyone playing it around here, or even seen it at any CD in the shops.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 Sunrise at palamos was not as hyped as Strange World, Universal nation or Till we meet again. But still the best out of them IMO. It's also one of the few releases which got a B-side which is just as good as the A-side.

well, Strange World and Till We Meet Again was released after Universal Nation, which made Push recognized as an artist and gained popularity.. and M.I.K.E wasnt very well known... (hence the hype difference)

but i agree Palamos is the better of those mentioned. and B side is excellent too..

but none of those tracks even get on my top 20 list of MIKE producions:

Solar Factor - No Return/Urban Shakedown
Plastic Boy - Silverbath
Musix - Do Yo See The Light/Turn The Page
The Blackmaster - Time Never Stops
The Gift - Love Angel/Seventh Day
Ultravibe - Choose Freedom
Intimo - Retention
Push - Tranzy State Of Mind/Journey Of Life/The Legacy
Moon Projects - Moments Are Forever
Yves Deruyter - Music Non Stop
M.I.K.E - Elements Of Life
M.I.K.E vs John `00` Fleming - Ice Cream (M.I.K.E Remix) 00`remix is the best though

remixes:

Matanka - Lost In A Dream (Push Remix)
Quadran feat Tasha - Unlovable (M.I.K.E Remix)
Art Of Trance - Madagascar (Push Remix)
Cherrymoon Tracks - House Of House (Moon Project Remix)
Ayu - Connected (Push Dub)
Boomfunk MC - Live Your Life (Push Remix)
Fridge - Paradise (Push Remix)

this arent just random tracks, its my FAVORITE tracks from Mike..

System J: this music is just to "deep" and "underground" for you, go back to ur trance classics and let us M.I.K.E fans enjoy great trance music from a great mastermind..

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Originally posted by paranoik0 I think Universal Nation only got that sort of exposure in Belgium. I've never ever ever ever seen it in the TV, heard it in any commercial, heard anyone playing it around here, or even seen it at any CD in the shops.

+1. though i've seen it on several compilations. but the guys here are clearly exaggerating the importance of Universa Nation.

Don't think Oliver Lieb, Ferry Corsten, Dumonde, Tall Paul or Talla 2XLC would bother to remix a strictly Belgian release.


But then again, one may have never heard those names in their lives either.

I have a clip of M.I.K.E. live at TomorrowLand Belgium 2005 playing UN that would make you wish you were there. M.I.K.E.'s
best track ever: The Legacy (Club Mix)
greatest classic ever: Universal Nation
best classic ever: Silver Bath

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Originally posted by Belgian Bonzai I have a clip of M.I.K.E. live at TomorrowLand Belgium 2005 playing UN that would make you wish you were there. M.I.K.E.'s

I wish i was at the q-dance stage then with promo, not that M.I.K.E. was bad, but the sound...my god did it suck...

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Originally posted by Dark Apostle Don't think Oliver Lieb, Ferry Corsten, Dumonde, Tall Paul or Talla 2XLC would bother to remix a strictly Belgian release. But then again, one may have never heard those names in their lives either.

Well, I do think they would bother to remix a country-specific release as I think they have done several in the past - and most electronic releases are country-specific as they get exported to all the other countries anyway. Still, I don't see what is your point since being released in several countries doesn't automatically means the track breaks the charts everywhere and gets recognized by a somewhat mainstream public. Example: check discogs for Bonzai UK. Those are all tracks released both in Belgium and UK (many of them from MIKE btw). None, or very few of them have got any sort of recognition from the mainstream anywhere.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 Well, I do think they would bother to remix a country-specific release as I think they have done several in the past - and most electronic releases are country-specific as they get exported to all the other countries anyway. Still, I don't see what is your point since being released in several countries doesn't automatically means the track breaks the charts everywhere and gets recognized by a somewhat mainstream public. Example: check discogs for Bonzai UK. Those are all tracks released both in Belgium and UK (many of them from MIKE btw). None, or very few of them have got any sort of recognition from the mainstream anywhere.

Then you have a new purpose in life, make sure it does as of tommorrow

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System J: this music is just to "deep" and "underground" for you, go back to ur trance classics and let us M.I.K.E fans enjoy great trance music from a great mastermind..

Oh don't be a fucking cock. MIKE is about as deep and underground as the Golden Gate Bridge. His big anthem schlockers that you cry as classics are trance at it's most easy to digest, and any attempts he makes at being more subtle fail miserably. Yay for someone who has used the same damn sounds for 8 years and slotted together a few chords. Mastermind my ass.

You can bitch at me all you like if you're a MIKE fanboy, but not one of his tracks are well-known enough to be considered classics, and none of them will endure the test of time. He isn't a master, he's just competent at what he does.

I can't believe one of the moderators of this forum would stoop to personal insults on my musical tastes, simply because I'm pointing out basic facts about the universal popularity of one of their favourite artists. You show me some sales figures, some chart positions, some cast iron reasons why any MIKE track has become a classic, and I'll back down. Until then, act your damn age.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I can't believe one of the moderators of this forum

Woah, wait. He's not a mod? Man, that would explain a lot.

OK, flame wars don't explain the initial posting...

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Oh don't be a fucking cock. MIKE is about as deep and underground as the Golden Gate Bridge.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You can bitch at me all you like if you're a MIKE fanboy, but not one of his tracks are well-known enough to be considered classics,

Either i'm misunderstanding you again, or you make no sense at all.


You can't be not underground and only been know to the precious few.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You show me some sales figures, some chart positions, some cast iron reasons why any MIKE track has become a classic, and I'll back down. Until then, act your damn age.

so, its about sales now ? i get it, thats what this is about.. i see..

but then uve won System J.. congrats..

*Bangs head*

Like I said. Strange World and Xpander are equally commercially viable. Yet one sold, the other didn't. Why?

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ OK, flame wars don't explain the initial posting...

well the word Ti�sto is actually derived from an ancient curse used by the evil warlocks of Gamorra to spread strife and frustration amongst visitors of various marketplaces. Even today the word Ti�sto still has its power.

From now on, in the name of peace and love on TA, lets name our beloved dj/ producer, DJ Tijs.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J *Bangs head* Like I said. Strange World and Xpander are equally commercially viable. Yet one sold, the other didn't. Why?

OOOOooh now i wan't to see

a) you source for this information
b) some statistics

Strange World is MIKE's biggest selling record. In the UK, it entered the singles chart at #21, staying on chart for 4 weeks.

Sasha's Xpander EP didn't qualify as a single, so was placed on the album chart. Note that in the UK, albums outsell singles by a considerable margin. Xpander charted at #18 in the album chart, staying on chart for 3 weeks.

Essentially, Sasha broke a dance EP into the national Top 20 for albums, which is a feat I don't think has been accomplished by anyone else.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Strange World is MIKE's biggest selling record. In the UK, it entered the singles chart at #21, staying on chart for 4 weeks. Sasha's Xpander EP didn't qualify as a single, so was placed on the album chart. Note that in the UK, albums outsell singles by a considerable margin. Xpander charted at #18 in the album chart, staying on chart for 3 weeks. Essentially, Sasha broke a dance EP into the national Top 20 for albums, which is a feat I don't think has been accomplished by anyone else.

Xpander was a big hit, i'm not arguing that, but for something to get in any chart (esp back in the day) looking at the amount of EDM releases that get burped up 24/7, it's still a good thing to hit 21.

Also, how did strange world do in specific number globally, and i'm sure xpander did way better, but Mozart and The Beatlles did better than Sasha, so that's not a real argument.

I know, i'm pushing you, and soon you'll start to ignore my posts, but still, entertain me

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J *Bangs head* Like I said. Strange World and Xpander are equally commercially viable. Yet one sold, the other didn't. Why?

cause XPander is a superior track over Strange World..

i also would like to pick up on the fact that MIKE has sold over 2 Million units worldwide

Xpander isn't any less of a genre-classic as Strange World for that matter. So why do you still keep on using that same Xpander as example to prove your point that Strange World is only a genre-classic and therefore a lesser track?

I used Xpander at random out of the tracks I named, because it bore similaties in era and style to MIKE.

Difference is that the entire dance community recognises Xpander as a classic, but not Strange World. This can be reflected in global sales of an undoubtedly non-commercial track.

Dark Apostle: I wish there were some source of world-wide sales that I could quote. I used the UK because it's an easy one for me to find out about (I have a big weighty document on all UK Top 75 Singles and Top 100 Albums since 1952) and also because in 1998-2001 it had the biggest trance audience, and certainly the biggest amount of trance fans who bought records, and regularly put trance in the Top 20, Top 10 and even Top 5.

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