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ps.. i dj so im pretty up on whats goin on with the crowd

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Originally posted by Numidia Would that classically trained musician be able to properly synthesize his own sounds on a synth, or properly use MIDI, or be able to make all the levels on the track be just right? Probably not. Half of producing trance is technical as well as musical ability. I'm sorry, but when people belittle the amount of work and skill it takes to make a great trance tune, it pisses me off.

The difference between a classically trained musician and a electronically trained one is the difference between an archer and a musketeer.

It takes a lifetime to learn how to use a bow & arrow effectively. But only an hour to train someone how to use a musket, despite the fact that the musket is a more complicated weapon. But that's because the musket does all the work. All the musketeer has to do is point and shoot.

In the same vein, the creativity and craft required to study, learn, apply, and play a musical instrument is so beyond the reach of today's ADD-riddled bedroom producers that most of them would give up long before they figure out how to compose anything meaningful with it. That's why they enjoy VSTs and softsynths.

If you think learning MIDI or applying an ADSR envelope is some sort of sophisticated, arcane task that precious few are capable of doing, then you're either really stupid or really lousy at doing it.

To be fair, it does take awhile to figure out how softsynths work, but it's nowhere near the amount of technical expertise, care, quality, and practise required in actually learning how to play a genuine instrument, and play it well. Anyone who doesn't know a single thing about electronic music can load up a mad libs template on a sequencer and belch out a rudimentary house track in a day. With a couple weeks instruction and training, they can begin producing semi-decent, quality work. In under a year, they can have a marginally decent hit on their hands, if all things marketing wise is taken care of.

You can't specify that timetable for a real musician in any capacity.

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Originally posted by IgnazZio Because trance is intelligent music.

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Originally posted by Numidia I'm pointing out that trance music is intelligent because the same people who come up with the melodies are the same people who produce it... I'm confused as to what you're argument is? Are you inferring that every classically trained musician is an accomplished producer as well? All you did was list off a handful of people with classical training who can also produce, that in no way represents the majority.

You DO know these guys almost exclusively use electronic instruments (synths, etc.), don't you?

EDIT: My point, since the subtlety seems to be lost, is to say that just because an EDM producer can fiddle around with equipment and make music doesn't make them in league with classically trained producers who do the exact same thing, and have created more compelling music in the process instead of relying on auto-arpeggiators to do the job for them.

You gotta remember that all music is appriciated by at least one person of one race... except for speedcore and noizecore, those people are just weird.

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Originally posted by Ishkur The difference between a classically trained musician and a electronically trained one is the difference between an archer and a musketeer. It takes a lifetime to learn how to use a bow & arrow effectively. But only an hour to train someone how to use a musket, despite the fact that the musket is a more complicated weapon. But that's because the musket does all the work. All the musketeer has to do is point and shoot.

speaking of white people ........




that has to be the stupidiest post I've read today, kudos Ishkur

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Originally posted by Roger Federer speaking of white people ........ that has to be the stupidiest post I've read today, kudos Ishkur

You should make a living out of being a fool.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil You should make a living out of being a fool.

does working in the Circus count??

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Originally posted by Ishkur The difference between a classically trained musician and a electronically trained one is the difference between an archer and a musketeer. It takes a lifetime to learn how to use a bow & arrow effectively. But only an hour to train someone how to use a musket, despite the fact that the musket is a more complicated weapon. But that's because the musket does all the work. All the musketeer has to do is point and shoot. In the same vein, the creativity and craft required to study, learn, apply, and play a musical instrument is so beyond the reach of today's ADD-riddled bedroom producers that most of them would give up long before they figure out how to compose anything meaningful with it. That's why they enjoy VSTs and softsynths. If you think learning MIDI or applying an ADSR envelope is some sort of sophisticated, arcane task that precious few are capable of doing, then you're either really stupid or really lousy at doing it. To be fair, it does take awhile to figure out how softsynths work, but it's nowhere near the amount of technical expertise, care, quality, and practise required in actually learning how to play a genuine instrument, and play it well. Anyone who doesn't know a single thing about electronic music can load up a mad libs template on a sequencer and belch out a rudimentary house track in a day. With a couple weeks instruction and training, they can begin producing semi-decent, quality work. In under a year, they can have a marginally decent hit on their hands, if all things marketing wise is taken care of. You can't specify that timetable for a real musician in any capacity.

Your post makes so much sense to me Ishkur. Ive been a member since Feb 2001 under a different name, and I have to admit that I love your posts and System-J and a few other TA members more because of the extensive knowlege of music (not just EDM) and I'm also a big supporter of trancecritic.com. You could take the best tracks ever produced by a EDM producer and it wont amount to the genuine masterpieces out there composed by real musicians who have mastered genuine instruments as Ishkur mentioned (like the piano, violin, etc) It would really be a unfair comparison because the answer is clear is crystal. Btw, I loved the use of comparison with the bow & arrow and the musket

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Originally posted by Dj Havoc Ive been a member since Feb 2001 , and I have to admit that I love your posts

watcha talkin about willis .... you aint foolin anyone with those contradictions.

BTW Havoc, want the new Sahsa_ Tiesto_Mix_ In _Concert ?? the magement of bows and arrows in this mix is magical

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Originally posted by Roger Federer watcha talkin about willis .... you aint foolin anyone with those contradictions. BTW Havoc, want the new Sahsa_ Tiesto_Mix_ In _Concert ?? the magement of bows and arrows in this mix is magical

Hey! LAY OFF!

Hes a really good dj in his local town!!!

God, don't you know who you are talking to?!

Jesus GOD!

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Originally posted by dinoXpress Hey! LAY OFF! Hes a really good dj in his local town!!! God, don't you know who you are talking to?! Jesus GOD!

bow and arrows and muskets

tiesto ?




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Originally posted by Roger Federer watcha talkin about willis .... you aint foolin anyone with those contradictions. BTW Havoc, want the new Sahsa_ Tiesto_Mix_ In _Concert ?? the magement of bows and arrows in this mix is magical

Your such a retard Im not even going to post again with any regards to you its a waste of time. I started a new account because I asked Swamper and that was between me and him you dont know the story and I know you just want to start a argument but Im not going to stoop to you childish level.Im way beyond that , Im not one of these noobs on TA who will get angry over a post so try it with someone else because it won't work with me. You dont have to believe me, I really don't care what you think, Why would I want to lie about this, Im not gaining anything from it.

I didn't know that mostly white people listen to trance. well thats because i live in the ghetto part of houston, mostly blacks and hispanic, with white here and there.

but i will have to admit though, white people here in houston are more likely to give trance a chance listen than hispanics and blacks here in southwest houston. and im hispanic.sometimes i feel like im the only hispanic that listens to trance, along with my brother.

whenever i drive the down street, i hear hispanics with the now popular reggaeton music and blacks with hip hop, even the asians here act more black than anything. when i drive with trance on, it looks as if cars are getting further from me, so they wont be able to hear the music. but for some, they get closer and listen, and actually wait till i have driven off to listen what im playing.

And what Ishkur said about the music trained and electronically trained: WELL SAID!!!

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Originally posted by Black_Owl I didn't know that mostly white people listen to trance. well thats because i live in the ghetto part of houston, mostly blacks and hispanic, with white here and there. but i will have to admit though, white people here in houston are more likely to give trance a chance listen than hispanics and blacks here in southwest houston. and im hispanic.sometimes i feel like im the only hispanic that listens to trance, along with my brother. whenever i drive the down street, i hear hispanics with the now popular reggaeton music and blacks with hip hop, even the asians here act more black than anything. when i drive with trance on, it looks as if cars are getting further from me, so they wont be able to hear the music. but for some, they get closer and listen, and actually wait till i have driven off to listen what im playing. And what Ishkur said about the music trained and electronically trained: WELL SAID!!!

You should see how big the edm scene is in South America.

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Originally posted by dinoXpress You should see how big the edm scene is in South America.

teh really? with all these internets and stuff I can't imagine how you could come to that conclusion??!! you are so EDM knowledge man, like ishkur !! Do you have a guide I can read for EDM stylz of muzic ??

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Originally posted by Roger Federer teh really? with all these internets and stuff I can't imagine how you could come to that conclusion??!! you are so EDM knowledge man, like ishkur !! Do you have a guide I can read for EDM stylz of muzic ??

He said he felt like one of th eonly hispanics who dug edm. I was attempting to reassure him there is actually a huge growing scene in South America. A scene that I was a part of for 7 years, living in Ecuador and Peru.

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Originally posted by dinoXpress A scene that I was a part of for 7 years, living in Ecuador and Peru.

i lived in Lima for a few years as well. What clubs did you vist??

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Originally posted by Roger Federer i lived in Lima for a few years as well. What clubs did you vist??

Aura, Gotica, Bossanova, Noctambul, Wahios Bar, Traffic, Don Jijuna..

Plus more

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Originally posted by dinoXpress Aura, Gotica, Bossanova, Noctambul, Wahios Bar, Traffic, Don Jijuna.. Plus more

STFU


sure you don't want the Sasha_Tiesto_In-Concert.Mp3 ???

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Originally posted by Roger Federer STFU sure you don't want the Sasha_Tiesto_In-Concert.Mp3 ???

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haha why do you laugh?

The only times we went to noctambul was for steve porter (i think) and their famous foam parties...

Jijuna just for thursday night aiwa sessions (edm)

Aura when it was run by Home Frequency (wednesday nights)(so many awesome djs)

Gotica for the 4 beats events, breakbeat peru, and the 2 tribes events there (fortier, digweed, dj monk, zabiela, the list goes on)

Bossa usually to start off and when my buddies were spinning, good place to kick it with the friends, get drunk stoned wtvr..

Wahios for beer.

Home @ Punta Hermosa during the summer

Traffic when it was still open for edm events.

Sargento pimienta for the good hip hop nights..

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Originally posted by dinoXpress Aura when it was run by Home Frequency (wednesday nights)(so many awesome djs)

And you want me to take you seriosuly with comments like these....




when you get a chance to vist peru again kid go to la noche de sul....than talk to me

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Originally posted by Numidia Would that classically trained musician be able to properly synthesize his own sounds on a synth, or properly use MIDI, or be able to make all the levels on the track be just right? Probably not. Half of producing trance is technical as well as musical ability. I'm sorry, but when people belittle the amount of work and skill it takes to make a great trance tune, it pisses me off.

Oh my God.

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Originally posted by Roger Federer And you want me to take you seriosuly with comments like these.... when you get a chance to vist peru again kid go to la noche de sul....than talk to me

I like house.

I like local djs.

I liked the scene in peru.

I had fun.

I am going back to peru in june, but i honestly have no idea what these "noches de sul" are. I want to know, but you seem like you just want to start an argument, not share any useful knowledge.

And if the Noches de Sul are the psy parties they had on the beach, count me out.

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