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I think it is more the rules that clubs must follow that hinders EDM's success rather than the vain kids you see in high schools. Most places your parties have to end at 2am. That and there are like 5 huge companies that control almost all of the media here. Only a select few have the media outlet and the people involved with EDM have less of a voice because of that. That and the whole drug thing, America is much less tolerant of drug use than alot of other countries, and most of the authorities are well aware of the connection between drugs and EDM, so they stifle EDM because they want to reduce the drug influences. I also beleive that adults encourage children to prevent EDM from becoming a cool thing, there seems to be a lot of people instigating others to bash dance music.

You are right though I don't think EDM will ever break america, society is just structured to oppose it. I think the big cities do a bit better because there are so many people that they cannot be controlled so easily.

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Originally posted by sw1 It's the lack of lyrics. Americans need vocals to sing along to, and EDM doesn't quite fit the bill.

i've heard this aswell... i have friend who told me that his friend was in america in some club and then they played some "britney techno remix" or something like that, and everybody got excited and jumped on the floor to sing along

..fucking horrible if u ask me

lol @ non-americans defining the american public

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Originally posted by djpaulc After reading the post about Tiesto in America i decided to set up a similar post. I don't mean to generalise or offend anyone in here but from the media we get over here about america and its teenage music buying public, most of these teenagers seem like tossers. From all of the american shows on MTV, VH1 etc. I have never ever seen a nation dominated by such an annoying bunch of style and image obsessed teenagers. I don't know whether the american teenage public are actually like this but from what i have seen, there are 3 main groups of teenager in america - the 'home-boy' type for the lads, the 'oh my god' type for the girls and then the goths. They are all caught up in an image obsessed nation and feel that they have to be the same as everyone else. Firstly for the boys, they all seem to have the 'I'm a rapper' metality. Its grand that black culture i dominated by this but white culture as well?! White teenagers talking like they are all from the bronx saying things like 'Holla', 'Its your boy' etc...etc...et-fucking-cetra!! Using their hands to help explain what they are saying, as if they were rapping! Using lingo such as 'rims', 'hoes' and 'bling bling'. In one way, it shows the dominance of rap and r'n'b in todays world but seriously, it is getting out of hand. For the girlies, it seems to be either the rap lingo or the 'oh my god' style. I can only pressume the 'oh my god' style has come from the pop culture i.e Britney, Christina etc, such programmes as 'Friends' and films like 'Clueless'(ironically titled), where they constantly put the word 'like' between every word. They dress like their fav pop star, dye their hair like them and their is actually a programme over here where some of them actually pay thousands on surgery to be a replica of them!! These 2 stereotypes together with the goths is the very reason why EDM will never, ever, ever become mainstream. There is no EDM lingo for them to talk, no EDM style clothes for them to wear and thankfully no general EDM image for them to imatate. Most of the americans who i have ever met haven't been like this but it is still the way that teenage america is portayed over here, so imo EDM will never take off there. Is it actual like this and do any of u think that EDM can take off over there?

Interesting analysis. You'll definitely find a decent percentage of Americans who fit the mold that you're talking about.

Now, aren't all Irish people drunks who like to fight after soccer games or are members of the IRA who fight over which branch of Christianity they think everyone should follow. And everyone's always after "yer pot o'gold" (or in America's marketing world, your Lucky Charms)

Stereotypes are fun, right?

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Now, aren't all Irish people drunks who like to fight after soccer games or are members of the IRA who fight over which branch of Christianity they think everyone should follow. And everyone's always after "yer pot o'gold" (or in America's marketing world, your Lucky Charms) Stereotypes are fun, right?

LOL..you beat me to it

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Originally posted by lex400sc lol @ non-americans defining the american public

I was just thinking that..


"I heard from a friend who has an American friend and they say that in America" so different from what I'm used to..

"Over in Europe, they have 150hp Pumpe Duse TDI engines.. we only get 100hp ones here!!"

Crazy world!!!

I have been to the states a bunch of times. I am bombarded with american media all the time, being just north of the border in Canada. There is this huge marketing machine in America and I don't think EDM fits into it. Some poeple from the states think the music is "gay", "lame" because it hasn't been marketed as cool. Its not as bad in large centres, but I think that if people where fed EDM 24/7 on major music channels there would be more iterest. It seems that whatever is on the radio or on T.V. is easiest to receive so why bother with any other kind of music.

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Originally posted by TrancEuphoria I have been to the states a bunch of times. I am bombarded with american media all the time, being just north of the border in Canada. There is this huge marketing machine in America and I don't think EDM fits into it. Some poeple from the states think the music is "gay", "lame" because it hasn't been marketed as cool. Its not as bad in large centres, but I think that if people where fed EDM 24/7 on major music channels there would be more iterest. It seems that whatever is on the radio or on T.V. is easiest to receive so why bother with any other kind of music.

edm hasn't penetrated the mainstream in america because there's virtually no room for advertising and if you can't get several big corporate sponsorships, your 'project' won't survive a fiscal quarter when you already have a cheap cookie-cutter cash cow in pop music. mega corporations like clear channel don't care about good taste, they care about good money, and if that means playing ashlee simpson 8 times a day, that's what they're gonna do. it's these corporations that really have control of what mainstreamers like. until someone develops a creative way to make money with edm, you're only gonna hear about it from these guys anecdotally.

there's several other factors too. cultural masculinity is much higher in america than pretty much all other nations. if the music isn't centered around money, drugs, violence, and bitches, it won't appeal to society's lowest common denominator. teenagers are also the highest targeted consumers in the massmedia, and most people don't develop a taste for electronic until they're 21 and been to a decent club with good acts.

holy shit man.. whoever on page 3 said the thing about the "america sucks at clubbing" shirt.. i would buy that.

who cares if it conquers the whole continent or not, you guys still get plenty of good shows. Isnt it enough?

in the 60's, 80's,

Britain took rock and dance and made it better


Americans never really understand what they had til it was gone


Urban beats and R&B use placated EDM and show off bravado

its still techno beats - but with street cred


rediculous if you ask me.


Repackage and re-sell


we will feed them yet.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Now, aren't all Irish people drunks who like to fight after soccer games or are members of the IRA who fight over which branch of Christianity they think everyone should follow. And everyone's always after "yer pot o'gold" (or in America's marketing world, your Lucky Charms) Stereotypes are fun, right?

My initial post, as I keep saying, was NOT my personal idea of americans, its the image our media gives of the country. I said IF your country is like that then that is why i feel edm will never make it big. It is people like who, who haven't got a clue about the outside world, that give your country a bad name. Fair enough its grand to talk bout stereotypes of a country... once you know what fuckin country you are talking about!!

The fighting after 'soccer' games you talk about is in England...we don't even have a decent 'soccer' league. It is a semi-pro league and there isn't even enough people at the games to have an arguement never mind a fight! And the conflict involving the IRA is in Northern Ireland which is officially a seperate country, hence the reason why the IRA was set up.

I have actually come across one or two american's like you, who don't know anything about the world outside the big U.S. of A. I met them while in Italy 3 years ago and both of these are no word of a lie.

While sitting in a restraunt, 2 elderly americans heard our accents...'Are you guys Irish?'...'Yes, why?' I said...'Oh my god, do you know the O'Reilly's from Limerick?'. Just to explain, Limerick is the one of the largest cities in Ireland...That is like asking any random american do they know the Smiths from New York. I didn't think they were seroius but they then said 'do you ever talk to the leprechauns?'. Realising their stupidity, we told them my uncle was a leprechaun and lived at the bottom of a rainbow. Only then we realised the hours of fun you can get from people like this!

3 days later, 2 young women heard our accents. We told them we were Irish and their honest response was...wait for it...'Do you know Tina in Switzerland?'. WTF??? We said again 'But we are Irish' and one of the girls replied 'Yeah but isn't Ireland in Europe too?'

My point is if you give personal opinions on the stereotypes of a country, make sure you have a vague idea of the country you talk about.

p.s. i'll give you the stereotype of us liking our drink

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I'd rather keep EDM underground.

I concur.
All genres can be associated with drugs because that's a fact.
I listen to ALOT of rap and other stuff like SKA, 2 step etc.
And I know that rap isn't... well if you look at normal rap (the beats) you will instantly see that it's alot more repetitive than trance. It's just that they're not focusing on the beats as much as on the texts (And I'm referring to the real, good rap, not 50 Cent reeling off stuff about his whoes and drugs n money), that's why.
I'm not saying their beats suck, they actually rock, some of them, and it's the same with pretty much every genre you can think about, that's natural.

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Originally posted by djpaulc My initial post, as I keep saying, was NOT my personal idea of americans, its the image our media gives of the country. I said IF your country is like that then that is why i feel edm will never make it big. It is people like who, who haven't got a clue about the outside world, that give your country a bad name. Fair enough its grand to talk bout stereotypes of a country... once you know what fuckin country you are talking about!! The fighting after 'soccer' games you talk about is in England...we don't even have a decent 'soccer' league. It is a semi-pro league and there isn't even enough people at the games to have an arguement never mind a fight! And the conflict involving the IRA is in Northern Ireland which is officially a seperate country, hence the reason why the IRA was set up. I have actually come across one or two american's like you, who don't know anything about the world outside the big U.S. of A. I met them while in Italy 3 years ago and both of these are no word of a lie. While sitting in a restraunt, 2 elderly americans heard our accents...'Are you guys Irish?'...'Yes, why?' I said...'Oh my god, do you know the O'Reilly's from Limerick?'. Just to explain, Limerick is the one of the largest cities in Ireland...That is like asking any random american do they know the Smiths from New York. I didn't think they were seroius but they then said 'do you ever talk to the leprechauns?'. Realising their stupidity, we told them my uncle was a leprechaun and lived at the bottom of a rainbow. Only then we realised the hours of fun you can get from people like this! 3 days later, 2 young women heard our accents. We told them we were Irish and their honest response was...wait for it...'Do you know Tina in Switzerland?'. WTF??? We said again 'But we are Irish' and one of the girls replied 'Yeah but isn't Ireland in Europe too?' My point is if you give personal opinions on the stereotypes of a country, make sure you have a vague idea of the country you talk about. p.s. i'll give you the stereotype of us liking our drink

I'll give you the IRA point. I confused that while quickly responding to your post. I mean, it is the IRA, not the NIRA (Northern Irish Republican Army) and there hasn't been much reported lately because they've supposedly ended their armed campaign as of this past summer.

The point that I was trying to make is that you're attempting to stereotype a nation of 280 million people (compared to Ireland's 4 million, which is half the population of New York City), which covers a land mass 2.5x the EU (Ireland's the size of our state of Indiana), and has both citizens and residents from incredibly diverse cultural backgrounds. You'll find that California and Alabama are two completely different worlds and sometimes it boggles my mind that both are part of the same nation. Even if only 1% of Americans listened to EDM, that's still a pretty significant number of fans and rivals the size of an entire population of some nations. So yeah, EDM might be real popular in Ireland, but there still might be more total listeners here even if it's not one of the most popular forms of music.

To state that everyone here wants to be a rapper, ditzy bimbo, or goth is a little ridiculous. You need to learn the same thing that we did a long time ago, that our media is pretty much bullshit and you've got to learn how to filter out the truth yourself. Also, we export entertainment like it's our job. If you take that entertainment to be a realistic representation of American life, too bad for you. I hope you don't watch reality shows much. Or talk shows (you'll get a real great slice of America from them) .

Obviously, you have a very limited understanding of the country that you were stereotyping, too, which is pretty poor considering how much more international coverage the US gets compared to Ireland.

And I'd really like to know how you've compared me to someone who thinks you're close to Switzerland because I confused your country with that of your similarly named neighbor. It's almost like confusing the US states of North and South Dakota. You're speculation about my understanding of world events, geography and cultures because I screwed up a few facts about Ireland is fairly off the mark, but I guess everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

Lastly, if it's not your perception of Americans, but the one presented by your media, why bring it up in the first place? You stated that I knew nothing about Ireland, but honestly, what do you know about the US? Have you ever been here (doubtful, since you've only met two stupid Americans like the ones in your post, and there's a lot more than that here)? Every nation's media does a great job of pointing out problems and deficiencies in other nations. News usually is a good source of finding out what's going wrong in the world, as they usually focus on the negative aspects of nations rather than they positive. In a way, it promotes nationalism by showing how much better your own country is than the rest of the world. I mean, look at what's portrayed of Arabs in the media (I'm guessing your coverage isn't any better than ours on that one).

OK, rant over, sorry for the long-windedness everyone.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy To state that everyone here wants to be a rapper, ditzy bimbo, or goth is a little ridiculous.

Please read my original post again. You will find that all along I am talking about 'America's teenage music-buyers as represented in the media', not every American, far from it.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy And I'd really like to know how you've compared me to someone who thinks you're close to Switzerland because I confused your country with that of your similarly named neighbor....

Ireland.........England.......yeah I can see how they are similarly named!!

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy what do you know about the US? Have you ever been here

............please read through the thread again.


My views on America and the people there, are based on my experiences and not the media. I have met many great people from the U.S. My experience of Americans, even through these forums, have been far more positive than negative...but this has absolutely nothing to do with my original thread!!

This thread was started on a purely musical subject and you have brought it into a whole load of nationality bollox. My first line stated that I did not start the thread to offend or generalise...I wanted people's opinions, especially Americans, on if they think edm will ever break the mainstream market in the U.S. I said that judging from ONLY the media's perspective of the American teenage music buyers, it does not seem that edm stands a chance. I received many genuine replies in which I got a good insight into the issue, tanx to you people, where as you seemed to take exception to the whole thing. If you want to talk about music, I will gladly do so for as long as you want. If you want to argue about national stereotypes, fuck off...cos there are plenty of people in here who can hold decent discussions purely about music. (or else you could argue with me face to face and see what happens....as you said, us Irish love a fight!!! )

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Originally posted by djpaulc Please read my original post again. You will find that all along I am talking about 'America's teenage music-buyers as represented in the media', not every American, far from it.

Who cares what teenagers listen to here? Do you think that teens provide the foundation for what everyone listens to here? I'd be much more inclined to think that people in their late teens and early twenties are doing a pretty good percentage of the music consumption than teens. I know I spend a LOT more money on music now than I did when I relied on my parents for money.

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Originally posted by djpaulc Ireland.........England.......yeah I can see how they are similarly named!!

Actually, I was referring to Northern Ireland and Ireland. I don't think I mentioned England at all.

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I wanted people's opinions, especially Americans, on if they think edm will ever break the mainstream market in the U.S. I said that judging from ONLY the media's perspective of the American teenage music buyers, it does not seem that edm stands a chance.

Then why did you make an exclamatory statement as your subject (Why EDM will NEVER break america...imo!) rather than ask a question?

The major problem that I had is that your original post was laden with stereotypes about what you think of the American public's musical interest based on media presentation. I'll agree, PROPORTIONALLY, there are less EDM fans here than in many other places around the world. A lot of the previous responses contribute to this (lack of radio play because of difficulty placing ads, disco's reputation here, age restrictions for clubs, etc.) However, there are a lot of EDM fans in the US. Come out to clubs in this country's larger cities and you'll see that. L.A., New York, Miami, San Francisco, even places Texas, to name a few, have very large EDM communities.

If you want to rely on media presentation rather than reality, go for it. Your perception of the EDM scene in America is pretty meaningless anyway. It's not like we're discussing politics or anything with any real repercussions because of their misportrayal.

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(or else you could argue with me face to face and see what happens....as you said, us Irish love a fight!!! )

Grow up. Who are you, George Bush?

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Actually, I was referring to Northern Ireland and Ireland. I don't think I mentioned England at all.

...........you really are a lot slower than I thought. I really couldnt' be arsed explaining what i meant but at you did mix Ireland up with England with one of your stereotypes.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Then why did you make an exclamatory statement as your subject (Why EDM will NEVER break america...imo!) rather than ask a question?

To grab attention to the thread. And as far as I am concerned it got enough people looking at it to give me a good idea of peoples opinions. But thanks for askin anyway.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Grow up. Who are you, George Bush?

You really aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer are you? The face to face arguement was a fucking joke...honestly, I'm sick of wasting my time arguing with serious, unwitty people like you.
Lets just argree to disagree and leave it at that.

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Originally posted by gouuryella Agreed on that. I think that EDM should stay underground and especially trance. I dont want EDM to become to popular, because then producers will more focus on making catchy song that most of listeners want to listen. When that happends then we are screwd.

NEWS FLESH!
It already happened
Armin - Shivers
Tiesto - Last album + other sucky stuff
Ferry - Last album
Oakie - fuck him he's a sellout long time
M.I.K.E - Have'nt heard any good from him lately
Matt Deary - The omg cheeze producer
PvD - Same
ect.

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Originally posted by Soeder Like Rap isn't assosiated with drugs???

indeed and worse things, such as violence

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Originally posted by The Drow NEWS FLESH! It already happened Armin - Shivers Tiesto - Last album + other sucky stuff Ferry - Last album Oakie - fuck him he's a sellout long time M.I.K.E - Have'nt heard any good from him lately Matt Deary - The omg cheeze producer PvD - Same ect.

Americans are posers... hate to say it but its true... unless 50 cent does a colab with tiesto then its going to stay that way...

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_

huh? there are other ways to say that I don't agree.

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