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Originally posted by Aiwendil Why is that?

I dunno, I thought I felt something cave in around my lower left abdomen.

I've noticed this trend. Eurodance seems to be getting on the electro bandwagon as well. This for instance.

http://www.annekevanhooff.be/

Her new song is awesome though, even with the slighter electro touches. Actually it's better than her first song.

You know it's the new trend when euro takes it on, so electro is the new sound.

I think you mean Electro-clash... because Electro is stuff like Cybortron and Egyptian Lover.

electro housage is the new tribal, it will all be done with soon.

only person that still likes tribal is nachos

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit late 80s.. but the genre is vast it slowly turned into eurobeat and eurodance (M farina who was one of the pioneers in this genre) went on to produce eurodance with factory team and max coveri went from fast italo disco and is doing japanese soundtracks (initial d) in the eurobeat genre. The style is done yes.. but theres soo much of it to explore (not to the same calibur of trance) but theres still alot of italo disco that was produced!

I love Italo! *goes to listen to Savage*

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Originally posted by Aiwendil ^^^Yeah, knowing what something is makes me an elitist, while being an ignorant doonce makes you the saint of tranceaddict.com. I think i'm the least of your worries. Maybe you should concentrate on the guy who just called you an idiot. I believe his name is Nrg2Nfinit, the...Italo Disco addict. He's a bigger douche than me, at least I didn't insult your intelligence. Next... Not Electro. Possibly Electro House..but I don't think so. Legowelt does make Electro House...like this Electro. Electro...not because of the bassline or the lead synth though. Electro. I like those metallic swooshing sounds in "Space Invaders Are Smoking Grass". It's like something out of a Megaman game. Not Electro...electroclash..maybe. Not Electro...that's the theme song from some NES video game. That's all some kind of regular house ("prog", "disco", "funky", "french", whatever) with a buzzing synth. Aka, not electro-anything. Except for the Pryda track...only because of the vocoder and beeps and zaps. Heh. Maybe it's electro-house. But the rest...no....I don't think so...

why is the legowelt track not electro? it's got the exact same feel as space invaders are smoking grass for instance. is it cause it's not a breakbeat track?
and that danza 8.5 track, cause it has the melody from a nes game it's not electro??

and for those "electro house" ones, i just meant that people call everything with an unfiltered bassline electro these days it seems.

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Originally posted by bobba lou electro housage is the new tribal, it will all be done with soon. only person that still likes tribal is nachos

yes wtf happened to all the tribal in the world... its like it never existed!

i miss it!



and for this new electro house music. its aight i love some songs.. most i dont... i liked real electro l;like miss kitten and shit like3 that

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).....that guy earlier who posted about Radioactive Man...

LOL, yep that's me i think...

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Originally posted by Aiwendil ^^^Yeah, knowing what something is makes me an elitist, while being an ignorant doonce makes you the saint of tranceaddict.com. I think i'm the least of your worries. Maybe you should concentrate on the guy who just called you an idiot. I believe his name is Nrg2Nfinit, the...Italo Disco addict. He's a bigger douche than me, at least I didn't insult your intelligence. Next... Not Electro. Possibly Electro House..but I don't think so. Legowelt does make Electro House...like this Electro. Electro...not because of the bassline or the lead synth though. Electro. I like those metallic swooshing sounds in "Space Invaders Are Smoking Grass". It's like something out of a Megaman game. Not Electro...electroclash..maybe. Not Electro...that's the theme song from some NES video game. That's all some kind of regular house ("prog", "disco", "funky", "french", whatever) with a buzzing synth. Aka, not electro-anything. Except for the Pryda track...only because of the vocoder and beeps and zaps. Heh. Maybe it's electro-house. But the rest...no....I don't think so...

Wow, nice try there but "Categorizing" things can be extremely difficult at times...i'm a psychology graduate and as the lecturer in the cognitive psychology module used to say "people , create "schemas" about things, store them as re-presentations and organize them into categories in order to cope for an ever-changing and continuous chaos which is the real nature of the social world and the environment in general...category boundaries can be dull or absent because in reality they are NO category boundaries...humans with their limited information-processing brains "highlight" some points of that ever-changing and continuous huge sea of information. These highlights are used as the "exemplars" (templates). From that point any new incoming information will be "matched" and stored close to an allready existent "exemplar" in a "discrete" manner even if the true nature of information is "continuous". In this way, "semantic net-works" are constructed. Therefore, categories while they are economical and dynamic till a certain point can hardly be objectively accurate and hold realistic representations of the objective environment.
This means, that while you've used your previous experiences (categorized schemas in categories)in order to create the current categories you've presented here, these are hardly the true categories because true categories don't exist!!!e.g IF used some specific commondor like sounds but in a 4/4 beat, legowelt have some commondor like sounds and 80s influences in general but can be more melodic and even dark and gothy at times yet the press characterizes both groups as "italo-disco" although they hardly resemble alexander robotnick and giorgio moroder! We also have to understand that the press also creates some "genres" or brings some back for advertising
and financial resons rather than for the sake of the music itself! Of all these don't mean that categories don't exist they mean that they are innacurate because of their discrete nature!Of course there are centres of narrative gravity such as an item will resemble more one thing than another but that's all there is (it is still true that the elements of trance are "sounding" different than the elements of electro although some times the difference can just be in the effects and distortions used!.)
Of course it is clear that you have a rich knowledge of electro music but... do you know stuff like Evil's toy, Funker Vogt, Project Pitchfork, Download, VMV Project, Coil, Einsturzende Neubauten, Liaisons Dangerouesess, the legendary Cabaret Voltaire...(of course these pseudo-cool stuff i mention ar nothing more than f*cking dark nazi mainstream 90s EBM(damn't these genres/categories...)!Exclusions are the last bands which are legendary 80s industrial bands...(or EBM???oops I'm falling in category and genre-defying mistakes again... )

^^^There is no spoon, man...

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because Electro is stuff like Cybortron and Egyptian Lover.

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i liked real electro l;like miss kitten and shit like3 that

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Originally posted by Haak why is the legowelt track not electro? it's got the exact same feel as space invaders are smoking grass for instance. is it cause it's not a breakbeat track?

Umm. It's probably electro-house. It has some electro sounds like you say. T3h chickachickachicka thing and the vocoders. But the kick and the bassline and the other synths sounds like house to me. Probably electro-house. As you can see I know all about music. Chickachickachicka. The bassline in both of those are similar. The high-pitched synths are similar. But those things aren't what make electro.

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and that danza 8.5 track, cause it has the melody from a nes game it's not electro??

Err. Nevermind. I somehow got the wrong track earlier in my RealPlayer. It was some messed up song. Yeah that Danza 8.5 track is electro.

thats dumb alot of genres are hybrid yo ucan call almost anything electro with an explenation

for instance

freestyle dance from the 80s

with teh cow bells and synth hits

you can call those electro elements


sebastian ingrosso's remix of euro has those cowbell hits which give it taht electro touch

miss kitten's simple jabbing track style have electro elements bassline percussion etc


kraftwerk can be defined as pure electro

u guys need to stop getting into a pissing contest over this. everything cant fit perfectly into a genere, but poeple do try so leave it @ that

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thats dumb alot of genres are hybrid yo ucan call almost anything electro with an explenation you can call those electro elements kraftwerk can be defined as pure electro

Gee, sometimes i feel like talking to a wall damn't...



and kraftwerk are not f8cking "pure" electro...in america they were calling them "euro-tech"...you can call them what you want "computer-cyber-electro-minimalistic-neo-apocalyptic-retro-futuristic-clickyacomputerisstuckinmyass" whatever but kraftwerk historically were part of the more general and highly experimental Kraut-rock movement with acts like Can, Neu!, Faust and Tangerine Dream, well yes they were proto-electronic (ahhh some genre teasing there) with the bleeby sequencers and stuff but so where Vangelis(Spiral) and Jean Michael Jarre(Equinoxe) in some of their albums way before Kraftwerk but hardly can some-one as classify them as purreee electro FGS!!!

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit for instance freestyle dance from the 80s with teh cow bells and synth hits you can call those electro elements

The cow bells were used a lot in electro. Not much now. The synth hits weren't used in electro very much. Actually i'd say they weren't used much at all in Electro. Mostly Freestyle. But the reason for the similarities between Freestyle and Electro is that Freestyle came directly from electro.

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sebastian ingrosso's remix of euro has those cowbell hits which give it taht electro touch

The cowbell isn't an element of Electro. It was used a lot in the early to mid 80's...sure. But that doesn't mean every track with that sound is electro. Because I know many Electro tracks that don't have that cowbell sound. And if Electro can exist without the cowbell sound, then that means the cowbell sound isn't an element of Electro. Maybe sebastian and ingrosso have those cowbells, but everything else in their tracks makes them house.

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miss kitten's simple jabbing track style have electro elements bassline percussion etc

A bassline isn't an element of Electro. A lot of electro doesn't even have a bassline, especially before '85 or '86. I haven't heard any Miss Kitten songs with electro percussion.

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kraftwerk can be defined as pure electro

After '76'-'77 yeah. Before that their stuff was...more Krautrock influenced. They were always sampling guitars and what-not.

Hay man LOOOOOOOOL please stop that stupid "im an electro professor" you've started there loooll...i mean "cowbells are electro", "kraftwerk were krautrock in the beginning but than became electro?" I'm sure that if you've asked kraftwerk back then if "they are electro" they will respond as "is "electro a food"? as i told you there are no real genres (u made a laugh of that) there are only genre-agreements created by...hmm...the press, the press, oh!the artist, the press, the press, if "cowbells" is your genre agreement of electro than just keep it for yourselves and stop preaching everyone else about the true pure containing-cowbells electro-in-the-past-which-are-absent-now-so-its-slightly-different-cowbell-free-synth-hit-free-electro

I'm literally forcing myself to give a shit yet find myself incapable.

hahahh

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Originally posted by Ishkur I must say, that in addition to being one of the five Istari, Aiwendil knows his music.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Hay man LOOOOOOOOL please stop that stupid "im an electro professor" you've started there loooll...i mean "cowbells are electro", "kraftwerk were krautrock in the beginning but than became electro?" I'm sure that if you've asked kraftwerk back then if "they are electro" they will respond as "is "electro a food"? as i told you there are no real genres (u made a laugh of that) there are only genre-agreements created by...hmm...the press, the press, oh!the artist, the press, the press, if "cowbells" is your genre agreement of electro than just keep it for yourselves and stop preaching everyone else about the true pure containing-cowbells electro-in-the-past-which-are-absent-now-so-its-slightly-different-cowbell-free-synth-hit-free-electro

Isn't that special.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil A bassline isn't an element of Electro.

that is incorrect


and as for synth hits

take a look at afrika bambaataa for instance (arthur baker was influeced by kraftewrk its evident ) but still he has some tracks that are very electro


freestyle did not come directly from electro.. it is a derivation of early 80's pop and electro as well, heavily influeced by arthur baker

you can look at artists like information society who perfected the stutter looping style which is also prevelant in italo disco. This is also defines freestyle that did not come from electro but instead 80's synthpop as well.


musical influences are taken from everywhere you cannot simply say a track is ELECTRO you can say its electro because of these elements etc you cannot dismiss and say NO its not electro because one electro track has this yet another doesnt..


if any of this made sense lol

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit that is incorrect

Just look at what you're talking about yourself. Where's the bassline in Planet Rock?



The synth hits in Freestyle came from Disco..yes. And it's influenced by other things i'm sure. But Electro was the main one. NYC was the hottest place for Electro in the world when Freestyle emerged there. And a lot of tracks were straight ripoffs of Electro hits.

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musical influences are taken from everywhere you cannot simply say a track is ELECTRO you can say its electro because of these elements etc you cannot dismiss and say NO its not electro because one electro track has this yet another doesnt..

If you say sebastien and ingrosso are electro because of this one electro element, and I prove that what you describe isn't an element of electro, (what makes electro electro) then yes, I can dismiss it. An element of electro is something that all Electro has. All electro doesn't have the cowbell or the synth stab.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil Just look at what you're talking about yourself. Where's the bassline in Planet Rock?

yeah it hits with the bass kick and its just bass stabs (key element in electro to give you that pop lock feel)

to say that electro doesnt have bassline is absurd.. it is more subtle. the bassline guides any track.. to make it stabby and short will give you that type of groove in the music.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil The synth hits in Freestyle came from Disco..yes. And it's influenced by other things i'm sure. But Electro was the main one. NYC was the hottest place for Electro in the world when Freestyle emerged there. And a lot of tracks were straight ripoffs of Electro hits.

yes i didnt disagree with you on that i just said that freestyle did evolve to incorporate different things look at artists like information society as ive said before. you dont see alot of those hi end sampling techniques in alot of electro.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil If you say sebastien and ingrosso are electro because of this one electro element, and I prove that what you describe isn't an element of electro, (what makes electro electro) then yes, I can dismiss it. An element of electro is something that all Electro has. All electro doesn't have the cowbell or the synth stab.

it is an element of electro since alot of electro judging by what you say about freestyle having a huge influence from electro (which i agree with you on) the cowbell is prevelant in all freestyle and alot of electro so i would say this is an element of electro

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit yeah it hits with the bass kick and its just bass stabs (key element in electro to give you that pop lock feel) to say that electro doesnt have bassline is absurd.. it is more subtle. the bassline guides any track.. to make it stabby and short will give you that type of groove in the music.

Planet Rock doesn't have a bass line. You know...a bass melody. Or a sound that runs for an adequate amount of time through a track in a bass frequency. Besides the kick. The kick is percussion. I didn't say Electro doesn't have a bassline. I said a lot of Electro doesn't have a bass line. Take Rhythim Is Rhythim - Strings Of Life. Derrick himself made a big deal over how such a track with no bassline could be such a big hit. So a bassline doesn't guide "any" track...

This Electro has no bassline, no cowbell, and no synth stabs
This Electro does have a bassline, a cowbell, and synth stabs

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you dont see alot of those hi end sampling techniques in alot of electro.

Hi end sampling techniques?

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it is an element of electro since alot of electro judging by what you say about freestyle having a huge influence from electro (which i agree with you on) the cowbell is prevelant in all freestyle and alot of electro so i would say this is an element of electro

Shrug. I already explained why you're wrong.

I mean. Maybe those cowbells were prevalent in electro. Maybe they were even first used in electro. But the cowbell is also in a lot of early house and freestyle and detroit techno. So if the cowbell is an element of electro simply because it's in some electro tracks, then I suppose the cowbell is also an element of techno and house and freestyle because it's in some of those kind of musics as well. The cowbell is just a sound used to add a little more spice to a track. It's not an "element" of any genre, I don't believe. Meaning if you take the cowbell out of electro, you still have electro, usually.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil Planet Rock doesn't have a bass line. You know...a bass melody. Or a sound that runs for an adequate amount of time through a track in a bass frequency. Besides the kick. The kick is percussion. I didn't say Electro doesn't have a bassline. I said a lot of Electro doesn't have a bass line. Take Rhythim Is Rhythim - Strings Of Life. Derrick himself made a big deal over how such a track with no bassline could be such a big hit. So a bassline doesn't guide "any" track...

well i have to listen to rhythim is ryhythim again to hear it.. but ill believe you you hsowed me that one track here has no bassline. I guess the melody can work to guide the track. Planet rock DOES have a bassline.. you just have to listen to the song to actualy find this out

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Hi end sampling techniques?

well more complex sampling like stuttering and resampling of segments to add tempo change effects (as is synth stab tempo variations, but with vocals, percussion, and combinations etc)

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I mean. Maybe those cowbells were prevalent in electro. Maybe they were even first used in electro. But the cowbell is also in a lot of early house and freestyle and detroit techno. So if the cowbell is an element of electro simply because it's in some electro tracks, then I suppose the cowbell is also an element of techno and house and freestyle because it's in some of those kind of musics as well. The cowbell is just a sound used to add a little more spice to a track. It's not an "element" of any genre, I don't believe. Meaning if you take the cowbell out of electro, you still have electro, usually.

if you take for example that jupitor one track remove the synth stabs and cowbell you would have a basic breakbeat track.

even look at artists like rex the dog its clear that they have used electro influence, italo disco, 80s synthpop breakbeat etc into their compositions.

you cannot simply define and isolate a genre like electro, the word electro comes from electronic, meaning sounds that are not made by real instruments. alot of underground electro was probably created with samplers trying to use a simple method of construction. alot of spacing between the elements of the track. What then happend was that other genres used this style and complicated things, more congestion, driving basslines (italo disco), stuttering effects (information society), vocal collaborations (stevie b), and so forth.

now.. we know that kraftwerk fully fits into electro

lets take kraftwerk - radioactivity 1977
compare this bassline to ingrosso's remix of euro

yes the bassline is a bit thicker but its a similar pattern maybe more congested into a tighter loop as well. a driving bassline can exist in electro.

not to mention the cowbell

.. and again listen to planet rock the bassline is very similar to that jupitor one track

oh yeah and about calling everyone an idiot.. i was merely expressing a defense for electro style since she can't speak for herself

blame fischerspooner for the electro-pap

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