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Originally posted by spc are there any threads you participate in where you aren't being a condescending prick and have something to contribute?

I'm as entitled to offer my opinion as anyone else here.

To answer your question: I'll have to look into that and get back to you.

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Originally posted by UWM Now that right there is just plain sad.

...and also bollocks. it's a common misconception among non-users that the users aren't into the music as much as the non-users. not helped by the non-users often not understanding why the users choose to do it in the first place

all in all its pointless trying to explain... since those who argue against it aren't likely to want to try it.. and trying it is really the only way to truly understand it

The fact I don't take them is because of the feeling you would have of listening to Trance or whatever after you effect of the drug has worn off. The music will never feel quite as good anymore unless taking some kind of drug, and in most TA's cases we listen to the music 24/7. I don't want to feel like the music could be so much better if only I were on drug X, because then I would be wanting to take the drug 24/7 as well, which in many cases leads to addiction and being completely fucked up. If you were an occasional listener of the music and only listened to it in the club enjoyed doing them every once and while, then that is different.

Theres no need for arguments , I just posted the topic to get peoples views. People do have different views. No point in lashing out at other peeps.

But anyways I mainly was wondering if the drugs inhance the experience for people? I myself dont do any x or coke ect. ect.
Just the ocasional smoking of the herbs, and that does bring out the music alot more. Its weird. Anyways carryon.

I went to my last rave after eating some serious pot brownies and didn't really like the effects. I feel like the lights and the energy and late night sleep deprivation is more than enough to get into the sounds of a GOOD trance set.

I would say that i am in to this scene because i like the music. Yeah, when i go out i do take stuff, but thats just to enhance the experience, I can go out and listen to the music perfectly sober/straight, but most of the time i choose not to.

To say that i am into it because of the drugs is complete bullshit, I always listen to trance, whether i am at home, in the car, or travelling on public transport.

so there

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Originally posted by isoterra +1

I guess your +1 and my previous -1 equals now.

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Originally posted by Kakoroto The fact I don't take them is because of the feeling you would have of listening to Trance or whatever after you effect of the drug has worn off. The music will never feel quite as good anymore unless taking some kind of drug, and in most TA's cases we listen to the music 24/7. I don't want to feel like the music could be so much better if only I were on drug X, because then I would be wanting to take the drug 24/7 as well, which in many cases leads to addiction and being completely fucked up. If you were an occasional listener of the music and only listened to it in the club enjoyed doing them every once and while, then that is different.

and you're basing this on what, exactly? anything other than blind assumption?

it doesn't work like that. i can't speak for everyone but the feeling i get from listening to a good trance tune while straight & at home has improved alot since i started taking pills while clubbing. it effectively opened up my mind to new levels of euphoria that i wouldn't have been able to experience before... yet can now reach with or without drugs. there have also been many tunes that i didn't regard as that special until hearing them on pills, and now i can listen to them at home & the memories of being high come back & make them sound SO much better... i know of many people who can relate to this

and mdma is no more addictive than gambling or alcohol... it only takes the wrong kind of mindset to get controlled by it

obviously i'm not promoting their use since it's up to everyone what they do... just saying not to write off users as lower beings

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Originally posted by isoterra and you're basing this on what, exactly? anything other than blind assumption? it doesn't work like that. i can't speak for everyone but the feeling i get from listening to a good trance tune while straight & at home has improved alot since i started taking pills while clubbing.

I'll agree with that.
I started listening to trance when I was about 13, and didn't drop until I was 19. I saw tiesto in Ibiza once when I was 18, and had an absolutely cracking time - no drugs involved, just buzzed off the atmosphere for hours.
However since I started taking beans and going raving a somewhat different, and arguably better feeling takes over. It's less effort to get there and that's where the argument that drug users don't go to raves for the music steps in.

Don't take drugs + An ok/poor set + little enthusiam = crap night
Don't take drugs + A good/amazing set + properly going for it = amazing night
Take drugs + An ok/poor set + little enthusiam = Good night
Take drugs + A good/amazing set + properly going for it = Amazing night

People who don't drop have to put in more effort to enjoy themselves, so arguably they are more committed, there more for the music than the experience.

IMO there are a hell of a lot of people out there who don't take drugs who enjoy nights out with their fave dj as much as me when I go out and do the same with the addition of chemicals.

And for the record, I love trance music, and the fact that I take certain things has no bearing on the fact that I go to these events for the DJs, for the music, and the atmos. As someone wisely said earlier, the Es just enhance that experience.

I have never taken drugs at a club before, in fact, i have never taken drugs at all. All I have before a trance night is a couple of red bulls so i dont fall asleep at 5am, but i can't imagine how amazing trance would be on ecstacy if it really does enhance the experience as the feeling i get from listening to trance in a club is just amazing, i don't see how it could get any better, apart from prolonging the experience through the not so good tracks!

I would kinda be interested to take ecstacy and listen to trance but i wouldnt as i believe drug taking is wrong, and plus you have all of the associated problems with drugs.

I've kind of learnt to accept that drugs is a part of going to a trance night and just have to ignore it and get on with listening to the music and dancing me pants off!!

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Originally posted by burner69 Don't take drugs + An ok/poor set + little enthusiam = crap night Don't take drugs + A good/amazing set + properly going for it = amazing night Take drugs + An ok/poor set + little enthusiam = Good night Take drugs + A good/amazing set + properly going for it = Amazing night People who don't drop have to put in more effort to enjoy themselves, so arguably they are more committed, there more for the music than the experience.

Interesting point, it is true that there have been nights where the music hasn't been as good as it could have been and as a result my night has suffered and I havent had a great time, so i can see how drugs would be useful for the experience, i guess they're just a get-out-clause if the music sucks!!

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Originally posted by nchs09 bro not even half of the club is on drugs... dont be naive.

lol ur calling me naive with a statement like that
i hope that was sarcasm

drugs make the music better if you're into the music to begin with...

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Originally posted by Kakoroto The fact I don't take them is because of the feeling you would have of listening to Trance or whatever after you effect of the drug has worn off. The music will never feel quite as good anymore unless taking some kind of drug, and in most TA's cases we listen to the music 24/7. I don't want to feel like the music could be so much better if only I were on drug X, because then I would be wanting to take the drug 24/7 as well, which in many cases leads to addiction and being completely fucked up. If you were an occasional listener of the music and only listened to it in the club enjoyed doing them every once and while, then that is different.

sorry but ur talking bullshit i can tell uve never been near any drug in ur life i bet uve never even seen an E.
u dont have the right to make those asumptions u have just made about drugs users if u have never experienced drugs did u read all that crap in a newspaper or something.
Taking drugs opens up ur mind u tend to appreciate the music more

I really don't see the point of taking drugs to appreciate the music more! I enjoy every second when I am listening to good trance, and when I am out clubbing. I don't discredit the users at all, but to say that the drug is a must to have a killing time at a club is wrong, IMO.

I believe that the ecstasy you get from the full experience when the setting is right; lights, DJ, Banging sound system etc. Is plenty enough... Because you go in to ecstasy, just not a chemically one

Either way I think we all should respect each other for the individual choices made by every person.

Music, I've only dosed once and I very rarely have more than a single drink when I'm there (and I'm always there for a good 8-10 hours).

Ecstacy definately makes trance more tolerable though.

As a person who has used before, long ago, I feel I can give a good personal opinion on this subject.

When I was younger, I went to raves here in town because I knew I would be able to find some. I also went because I knew the music was going to be good. Whether or not I did any substances did not determine whether or not I had a good time. I ALWAYS had a good time. The environment is what allowed that.

However, I do think that my experience with substances has (as cliche as it sounds) opened my mind. I chose not to do drugs anymore, because I respect my body (and I'm more educated now than I was back then). Trance has a soft spot in my heart and allows me to think back and remember those times and feelings I had years ago. There are certain things you thinnk/feel when immersed in decibels of loud music and that chemical is going through you. Its definitely an interesting experience.

I do think that there is a huge stereotype, brought upon 100% by the media as of late. I am in the same position with people when they ask me what kind of music I like (and I always say house first and still get asked the question). There's not much we can do about the media situation, however we can start spreading the word (those of us who are sober) that there is a whole lot more to the music than these substances.

Like I said before, Ecstasy has opened up parts of my mind which now are stimulated by Trance music, and so I dont need to do those anymore. And I feel better (physically) now.

Some of this might sound contradictive. I am neither against or for using substances, especially if you are uneducated. Education and moderation are key to just about EVERYTHING we encounter in life.

Ok, I'll end this, it's gotten long, and I could go on forever haha.

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Originally posted by Illuminati I really don't see the point of taking drugs to appreciate the music more! I enjoy every second when I am listening to good trance, and when I am out clubbing. I don't discredit the users at all, but to say that the drug is a must to have a killing time at a club is wrong, IMO. I believe that the ecstasy you get from the full experience when the setting is right; lights, DJ, Banging sound system etc. Is plenty enough... Because you go in to ecstasy, just not a chemically one Either way I think we all should respect each other for the individual choices made by every person.

A very good point. And you're right, having gone clubbing before taking beans, and having friends who go to raves with me without chemi's in them, I can assure you that, yes, you CAN have a killer time at a rave without drugs.

Respect is the key bro, and you got it.

This thread got alot longer than I thought.

Well anyways I guess this is a good time to have a thread like this.

One of my good friends ( also a fellow TA ) is STILL awake and under the influence from G&D's show last night in ATL. Although its very funny talking to him , i just dont see my self going all out like that. But he had fun so its all good, just saying i dont think i would need all that to have a good time.

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Originally posted by burner69 Respect is the key bro, and you got it.

Thanks bro!

Gonna throw in my 2 cents here.

A bit of background so it's easier to see where I'm coming from:
I've went to clubs sober. I've went to clubs on E. The most I've ever done in one night is one pill though, and I intend to keep it that way (no sense taking unnecessary risks). Regardless of how often I go clubbing, I'd never take E more than once a month - really good, big events come on a monthly basis, so I usually save my enhancements for those.

It's completely right to say you can have an amazing time while sober. However, imagine euphoria as being a staircase. With an amazing set, you can reach the very top stair. With an amazing set + E, you can reach a stair that you didn't even realise existed. That stair is and will be completely invisible to you until you try E once. If sober people could somehow replicate the effect of drugs without taking drugs, there'd be no demand for drugs.

Second reason I'd take E, is because it helps you last longer and makes you forget about the pain in your legs that you'll undoubtedly feel tomorrow. I've never thought "wow, this night is amazing, but it would be even better on E." NEVER, because at that moment I'm sober and the stair is invisible. BUT, I have thought before "Damn, I wish I was on E right now, because there's a cramp in my right leg that's not going away and the DJ is only getting started, and I know that if I was on E I'd only feel the music and nothing else".

BTW, both the #1 and the #2 best nights of this year so far, happened while I was completely sober. So clearly, taking E in no way diminishes your ability to enjoy music afterwards.

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Originally posted by darkSIde i dont think i would need all that to have a good time.

When are people going to understand that others dont take substances to have a good night, they take them to make a good night even better.

+1


I like drugs. and I like EDM.

you goddamn anti-drug nazis

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Originally posted by UWM When are people going to understand that others dont take substances to have a good night, they take them to make a good night even better.

+1

I can admit that when I first got into the EDM scene, I did a lot, but that died down over time.

Now it's more of an occasional thing, mainly when partying with close friends and everyone wants to have the added fun that drugs bring

Moderation in all things, right?

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