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Posted by EarnYourKeep on Dec-20-2005 10:15:

this is funny

now do i walk 40 blocks to work or just stay home and say fuck it...hrmmmmmmmmmm

guess i'll go to the gym like regular....yea the time is right 5:15am bitches!


Posted by BiG MiKE on Dec-20-2005 11:51:

30,000 people on strike as of this morning. How are you gettin to work? Boy those taxi drivers are gonna be like gold tickets


Posted by ogvh5150 on Dec-20-2005 12:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Well, I don't think I could have gotten my wisdom teeth pulled at a better time than tonight. No work tomorrow. Curious how many days I'll be walking to work for the remainder of the week, though.

Can't really blame them, though. I wouldn't work without a contract either. Pataki's comment on the news tonight about how public servants (teachers, firefighters, police, etc.) have worked for weeks, months, even years without contracts was a slap in the face of all of those types of workers in New York State and really set my opinions about this situation. To me, that basically said to the workers, "Fuck you all, we own you, work without any sort of contract because we have a law that says you can't say no and if you do, we'll do our worst." "You don't have any options other than submission to our will."

Also, it's not like these workers have nothing to lose. It's the week before Christmas and they're all threatened with stiff fines and potential jail time for the union leaders. To me, it doesn't seem like a compromise was even close if 30,000 people are taking risks like that.

This is a situation that sucks for all of us, but it's pretty sad to see how the MTA, with the government's backing, is bullying these workers and forcing them to work without the financial support that they feel they deserve to make their job worthwhile.


One of the best posts I've seen so far. Thank you.

Let them call me a rebel and I welcome it; I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of demons should I make a whore of my soul
Thomas Paine


quote:
The Public Employment Relations Board, a state body that oversees labor relations for government employees, did not issue a decision yesterday in response to a complaint that the union filed on Sunday, asserting that the authority had violated state law by including its pension demands as part of what it said was its final offer. The union has asked the labor board to seek an injunction ordering the authority to drop its pension demand.

TWU blog


TA was violating the law before TWU members did. But let's all forget that and look at the workers as being bad people if you believe the medias' angle.


Posted by Miss Bliss on Dec-20-2005 12:08:

So weird to hear about the strike.. I do support it but it's just unreal.

I'd like to be in midtown at 8am and see the zoo...

BTW with the 4+ passenger restrictions I don't know how my parents are gonna get to work from LI to the city if this is still in effect on Thursday.


Posted by EarnYourKeep on Dec-20-2005 12:19:

yea my ass aint walkin to work think its back to sleep for me


Posted by Konijn on Dec-20-2005 13:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Well, I don't think I could have gotten my wisdom teeth pulled at a better time than tonight. No work tomorrow. Curious how many days I'll be walking to work for the remainder of the week, though.

Can't really blame them, though. I wouldn't work without a contract either. Pataki's comment on the news tonight about how public servants (teachers, firefighters, police, etc.) have worked for weeks, months, even years without contracts was a slap in the face of all of those types of workers in New York State and really set my opinions about this situation. To me, that basically said to the workers, "Fuck you all, we own you, work without any sort of contract because we have a law that says you can't say no and if you do, we'll do our worst." "You don't have any options other than submission to our will."

Also, it's not like these workers have nothing to lose. It's the week before Christmas and they're all threatened with stiff fines and potential jail time for the union leaders. To me, it doesn't seem like a compromise was even close if 30,000 people are taking risks like that.

This is a situation that sucks for all of us, but it's pretty sad to see how the MTA, with the government's backing, is bullying these workers and forcing them to work without the financial support that they feel they deserve to make their job worthwhile.


word up -- unions have historically been the biggest boon to middle class growth, stability and prosperity and it's no coincidence that the decline of Labor during the last 30 years has had a direct link to the massive income gap between the haves and have-nots.

one of my rare rants/raves here and here


Posted by trunks1022 on Dec-20-2005 13:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Blake
Gulliani where are you!?


who's that? heh.

i'm glad the transit workers finally had the balls to say FU to the mta and gov officials.... i just hope that the sister unions of metro north and LIRR don't do the same, otherwise no work for me heh


Posted by EarnYourKeep on Dec-20-2005 13:50:

drinking this coffee is encouraging me to strap up my kicks and throw on a pair of jeans and hoof it to work....I THINK IM GONNA TREK IT WEEEE


Posted by hitokiri on Dec-20-2005 14:20:

indeed good post ryan (i knew i could count on you ) i just find it reeeal interesting that pataki manages to get his two cents in after the strike has been ordered my question is where was he during the negotiations OH THATS RIGHT! he was outta state and its funny that they cried broke before yet SOMEHOW manage to offer 3 3.5 an 3 and no increase to retirement yet before it was 3 and what 2 ? and had nerve to say that the twu used bully tactics? what bout the tailor laws wheres the checks n balances in that the mta uses that as a bully tactic since the law benifits them but what kind of security do unions have they always had a take it leave it kind of attitude like a "your lucky your getting even this" kinda attitude..... sad it has to be done but with all the crap that has been done in the yrs before this... time for a change


side note how was it commuting to werk today


Posted by Groundhog Boy on Dec-20-2005 14:43:

Christina left my place at 14th St. at 8:35 or so. She just called saying that her hospital's shuttle never appeared to be running as planned. They were supposed to have pick ups similar to the M15 bus line on the east side. Her and some of her friends that live near us got a cab around 25-30th St. for $5 each up to 60th street and she was to work by 9:05. It took her less time than when she takes the bus.

She said that 1st Ave's traffic wasn't too bad, actually. I'm watching the coverage on TV at home, though, and they're showing 96th St. as being the barrier that no one can cross because the cops are checking every car for enough passengers. Also, they're making trucks pull over, which is backing things up. The BQE is awful, as well as the Lincoln Tunnel because of people who didn't pay attention to the restrictions and are now being turned back or detoured.

BTW, glad to see that people on here aren't nearly as selfish as most of the people being interviewed on TV. It's inconvenient for everyone and it sucks because you can't get around, get to work, etc., but at least it seems like a lot of people who have responded in this thread look at things from both sides of things. Some guy on TV actually said he thinks that ALL 30,000+ employess should be fired for striking.

Lastly, am I the only one who feels like these contracts shouldn't be expiring in December, but some better month, like May, when people wouldn't freeze walking around. The blackout sucked, but when I walked over 10 miles home, it wasn't nearly as bad as if it were to happen today.


Posted by SidMl on Dec-20-2005 14:56:

I actually got to work quicker than normal.

7am Walked outside the nj transit bus was right there. Several ppl were parked right by the bus stop looking for people to car pool with. I just hopped on the bus anyways. The bus was pretty much empty. No traffic at lincoln tunnel either.

7.15 got to Port Authority. No shortage of cabs. However, since I was already bundled up, and still sleepy, I decided to walk. Walking always wakes me up.

7.30 got to work.

No complaints here. Except that if it gets too cold, or if I'm lazy, I can't just take the bus/subway back to port authority.


Posted by Konijn on Dec-20-2005 15:19:

quote:
Originally posted by hitokiri
and had nerve to say that the twu used bully tactics? what bout the tailor laws wheres the checks n balances in that the mta uses that as a bully tactic since the law benifits them but what kind of security do unions have they always had a take it leave it kind of attitude like a "your lucky your getting even this" kinda attitude..... sad it has to be done but with all the crap that has been done in the yrs before this... time for a change


maybe this will spur a debate on the constitutionality of the taylor law itself (which has only existed since '67 - written by and named for a wharton prof. for the penn alums that are on here =) )

last strike in 1980 was in april (not during holidaytime) and lasted 11 days btw...


Posted by EarnYourKeep on Dec-20-2005 16:01:

i walked it sucked

now i gotta walk back home and its gonna suck even more
just after i finish slaving this bullshit work i've just inherited, who the fuck encouraged me to go to work and can someone tell me what the fuck i was thinking....FUCK


Posted by euphoria on Dec-20-2005 16:08:

I have a car and I work in LI but it was a good excuse for me to come into work 3 hours late because some schools have delayed opening I just got here btw.


Posted by hitokiri on Dec-20-2005 16:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Christina left my place at 14th St. at 8:35 or so. She just called saying that her hospital's shuttle never appeared to be running as planned. They were supposed to have pick ups similar to the M15 bus line on the east side. Her and some of her friends that live near us got a cab around 25-30th St. for $5 each up to 60th street and she was to work by 9:05. It took her less time than when she takes the bus.

She said that 1st Ave's traffic wasn't too bad, actually. I'm watching the coverage on TV at home, though, and they're showing 96th St. as being the barrier that no one can cross because the cops are checking every car for enough passengers. Also, they're making trucks pull over, which is backing things up. The BQE is awful, as well as the Lincoln Tunnel because of people who didn't pay attention to the restrictions and are now being turned back or detoured.

BTW, glad to see that people on here aren't nearly as selfish as most of the people being interviewed on TV. It's inconvenient for everyone and it sucks because you can't get around, get to work, etc., but at least it seems like a lot of people who have responded in this thread look at things from both sides of things. Some guy on TV actually said he thinks that ALL 30,000+ employess should be fired for striking.

Lastly, am I the only one who feels like these contracts shouldn't be expiring in December, but some better month, like May, when people wouldn't freeze walking around. The blackout sucked, but when I walked over 10 miles home, it wasn't nearly as bad as if it were to happen today.
see my friend thats where we have yo disagree remember what i said bout how the tailor law favors the business simply because of the fact that if the unions strike then there are penalties which means that unions can t just up an and strike like normal ppl which means that the companies have a lot more power the only protection that unions have particularly twu is to strike when its most convienient which would be around christmas time since there is a lot of revenue to be made in the city if the strikes were held during warmer weather mta wouldn t not mind the fact that the strike is on follow what im saying?


Posted by Vlad on Dec-20-2005 16:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Miss Bliss
So weird to hear about the strike.. I do support it but it's just unreal.

I'd like to be in midtown at 8am and see the zoo...

BTW with the 4+ passenger restrictions I don't know how my parents are gonna get to work from LI to the city if this is still in effect on Thursday.



They could take the LIRR.


NOTHING but good news for me today, Im so stoked.

My Cell Bio final is postponed... I got a 92 on my 3rd Cell Bio exam, and Im expecting an email from my Genetics teacher with the final exam.


Posted by yankeeBaby on Dec-20-2005 17:48:

This sucks...I have to walk 110 blocks to work, which is a good thing in the day (get those lbs off) but I am worried about coming back at 12 am when I am done

Wonder how much it would cost for a cab?? (or how hard it is to get one?)

btw in my opinion I am not mad at the strikers, they gotta do what they gotta do


Posted by Choobak on Dec-20-2005 18:48:

Midtown around park ave in the 50s was actually really quiet during rush hour. A lot less traffic than usual and lots of ride sharing in all the cabs. I Actually got to work quicker since there were no crazy people running red lights at every cross walk...


Posted by BiG MiKE on Dec-20-2005 19:32:

Breaking news from Bloomberg. He's saying the Strike is illegal blah blah... 40% of City stores are closed. They gonna get these bastids to get back to work. Uh oh.. 2/3 of the workforce did not make it into work.


Posted by BiG MiKE on Dec-20-2005 19:36:

quote:
Originally posted by kid nyce
i walked it sucked

now i gotta walk back home and its gonna suck even more
just after i finish slaving this bullshit work i've just inherited, who the fuck encouraged me to go to work and can someone tell me what the fuck i was thinking....FUCK


quote:
Originally posted by kid nyce
yea my ass aint walkin to work think its back to sleep for me



Posted by ogvh5150 on Dec-20-2005 19:51:

quote:
Originally posted by hitokiri
..i just find it reeeal interesting that pataki manages to get his two cents in after the strike has been ordered my question is where was he during the negotiations OH THATS RIGHT! he was outta state and its funny that they cried broke before yet SOMEHOW manage to offer 3 3.5 an 3 and no increase to retirement yet before it was 3 and what 2 ? and had nerve to say that the twu used bully tactics? what bout the tailor laws wheres the checks n balances in that the mta uses that as a bully tactic since the law benifits them but what kind of security do unions have they always had a take it leave it kind of attitude like a "your lucky your getting even this" kinda attitude..... sad it has to be done but with all the crap that has been done in the yrs before this... time for a change


The MTA can't pull the wool over your eyes.

But seriously, the MTA has not only a surplus but it has a net worth in the tens of billions of dollars. All the workers ask is a little piece of the 1 billion dollar surplus pie. Enough to cover the raises, benefits and retirees.


Posted by Blake on Dec-20-2005 20:00:

Sneaker Pimp

These boots are made for walkin, that's just what they do...

I'll be Metro-Northing my ass to work soon. I hear they're gonna go on strike tomorrow as well. Anyone hear anything about that?


Posted by fr0st on Dec-20-2005 20:08:

The media is only interviewing the people that make the TWU look bad i fucking hate politics..


Posted by bradley rose on Dec-20-2005 20:10:

I get to work from home during the strike...


Posted by ogvh5150 on Dec-20-2005 20:52:

Before MTA, Kalikow had a bad past with money:

quote:
Before the M.T.A., I remember Kalikow at The Post

By JERRY TALLMER

In late February or early March of 1988, I stood on the floor of the city room of the New York Post � then on South St., just north of the Brooklyn Bridge � and, with maybe a hundred other ink-stained (okay, computer-stained) wretches, survivors of close to a dozen near-death experiences of our beloved rag throughout the previous 10 years, listened to the new owner introduce himself.

He was quite a nice-looking man, and his name was Peter Kalikow. At the last minute, when it looked like Rupert Murdoch was going to close us down, here was our savior. Ted Kennedy, a frequent recipient of Murdoch-vilification, had, in the Senate, in the middle of the night, boxed Rupert into a corner, forcing him to dispose of either the newspaper or parallel TV interests � and Murdoch was hungry for TV. At that moment of capital punishment for the ancient and honorable journal Dorothy Schiff had sold to Rupert Murdoch, along had come millionaire realtor Kalikow, out of nowhere (more exactly, out of Queens), to tender us renewed life eternal.

Or so it sounded to the troops who had been rallied to the City Room to be addressed by the 45-year-old new publisher. I can only quote from memory, so I won�t use quotation marks, but the key sentences went pretty much like this:

My name is Peter Kalikow, and I don�t expect to die soon, but when I do die it isn�t going to say on my tombstone: He was a man who built a lot of big buildings in Queens. It�s going to say: Peter Kalikow was the publisher of The New York Post. And The Post isn�t going to die, either; you and I are going to be here a long time, and I just want you to know that.

Very inspiring. Of course we all at that moment forgot the day 10 years earlier that Rupert Murdoch had stood on the floor of that same city room and told the assembled troops: �Don�t believe anything you�ve read about me. I�m not going to change anything on this newspaper� � and the very next day, started to change everything, beginning with elimination of the folio (page number) on the back page, so nobody could tell at a glance how few pages there were. Not long after that came the total elimination from The Post of Pulitzer-Prize-winning political cartoonist Herblock, whose sardonic X-ray perceptions of good and evil Murdoch detested.

To the best of my memory, Kalikow didn�t do anything like that. In fact I can�t remember anything he did editorially, one way or the other; he didn�t seem to care, or know, about such matters � the skin, blood, bones, and muscle of a newspaper. The heartbeat.

I remember him walking the halls, a lean and hungry, grayish, handsome figure rather (I thought) like Jay Gatsby, always with a couple of henchmen pacing along at his shoulder � types you would some years later read about in expos�s of the Kalikow-era�s �mob-linked newspaper circulation scam.�

Well, if it�s going to say on Peter Kalikow�s tombstone that he was publisher of The New York Post, it will have to add in parentheses (1988-1993), because by 1993 Kalikow was gone.

He left behind a debt of $4.5 million to the government in unpaid (or unforwarded) withholding taxes, and a declaration of bankruptcy � cooked up, I have always been convinced, with Murdoch. That bankruptcy ultimately enabled owner redux Murdoch to wipe out the paper�s contract with the New York Newspaper Guild, force the Post unit into a strike, break the unit, and fire all 287 Guild members � one of whom, chairperson Harry Leykis, a scrappy, ultra-loyal Post staffer for 25 years, died of a heart attack not long after. Harry, like all of us, had had many thousands of dollars in severance pay wiped out overnight, thanks to the corporate bankruptcy laws.

Kalikow, who had declared personal bankruptcy two years earlier, went back to his yacht (docked at its pier on his waterfront Montauk estate), and to the vintage automobiles lining his six-car (or was it eight-car?) garage. And I don�t know what else he put his hand to.

Until, lo and behold, in July 1994, Gov. George Pataki, to whose election campaign Kalikow and members of Kalikow�s family had made substantial contributions, appointed him a member of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority. On March 13, 2001, Kalikow advanced to the position of chairperson of the authority.

He was, as was widely noted, almost nowhere to be seen during the nerve-wracking pre-New Year�s Eve days and nights at the Grand Hyatt four months ago when the whole city � 7 million bus and subway riders, and certainly all 34,000 transit workers � were sweating out a transit strike.

But guess who did show up at the Grand Hyatt one day. Rick Nasti, a vice-president in Kalikow�s real-estate firm and one of those honchos I used to see pacing through the corridors of The Post at Kalikow�s shoulder. Rick Nasti, who had pleaded guilty in that aforementioned 1992 circulation scam and had more recently been forced to quit the M.T.A. (where Kalikow had installed him) because of questions about procurement deals there.

This is the Peter S. Kalikow who sat stolidly and silently through the entire outrageous process by which this city�s transit fares have just now been jacked up by 33 percent without a public vote or, shall we say, a fare thee well; the same Peter S. Kalikow whose entire response to the state and city comptrollers� thunderbolt charges of cooked books and double bookkeeping on the part of an M.T.A. that has �misled the public� was (to date) that Mr. Hevesi�s and Mr. Thompson�s charges are �outrageous . . . political grandstanding.�

And who then said no more, except, in answer to various questions from the press (as reported by Joyce Purnick in the Times), a tight-lipped �No . . . no . . . no.�Tonight as I go home I know I�ll see at least one very old lady or very old gentleman haul herself/himself painfully up the steps of a bus and wobble a senior citizen�s MetroCard slowly into the slot on the fare box. Or I�ll see an exhausted cleaning woman from Lower Manhattan collapsed in fury on the I.R.T. on the long voyage home to the Bronx. Or a fat mama with three kids, one of them in a stroller, cramming through a subway door that�s snapping at them like a crocodile. When the fare goes up for these people (also for me), I tell you what, Mr. Kalikow. Let�s help them out. Let�s let them sail to work on your yacht.
Before the M.T.A., I remember Kalikow at The Post



quote:
Kalikow�s problem, however, was not just the paper. He had two other huge losers. He�d borrowed $156 million to build the Millenium Hotel. And he had fourteen small apartment buildings between 78th and 79th streets with $90 million in loans against them. His plan was to relocate the tenants, tear the buildings down, and put up a luxury high-rise. He hadn�t figured the tenants would fight him�and win.

By the time he was forced to file for bankruptcy in the summer of 1991, he owed a dozen banks more than a billion dollars. His assets, with the real-estate market in the tank, were valued somewhere around $500 million. Because he had signed several personal guarantees, his private assets were also at risk. In addition to his Fifth Avenue triplex, he owned his own jet, a twelve-acre estate in Montauk, a car collection worth more than $7 million, and the biggest yacht on the East End.

�Donald Trump had essentially the same problem as Peter, with one critical difference,� says developer David Mack, a lifelong friend of Kalikow�s who has also known Trump since they were kids. �The banks felt they needed Trump�s name, that it added value to the properties. So they didn�t force him into bankruptcy. With Peter, they didn�t care.�

In order to finalize his workout with the banks, Kalikow was helped with a critical infusion of more than $20 million in cash. The money came from his mother and David Mack and another developer friend named Sheldon Solow. He lost the Post, the Millenium Hotel, and the East Side property and was forced to sell most of his other buildings in a depressed market to pay off his debt. And even then, many creditors got less than twenty cents on the dollar.

Though he was out from under the thumb of the banks by the beginning of 1994, Kalikow says it took until 1998 to fully restructure his company, make it �as bulletproof as possible,� and get things back on track. Today, in addition to his Fifth Avenue penthouse and Montauk estate, his primary commercial assets are 101 Park Avenue and 195 Broadway. Because of his significant equity, however, an aide puts Kalikow�s net worth between $500 million and $1 billion.

�I was up as high as you can get, and then I got the shit kicked out of me,� he told me one afternoon recently. �It was personally devastating only when I thought about it. But I never focused on what the ultimate impact of failure would have been. I have this facility for deluding myself, which is a nice thing to have.�

Not surprisingly, Kalikow�s dance along the edge of the abyss was a transforming experience. �I thought business was everything,� he says. �I found out it�s not.�
Feature
Underground Man
Real-estate tycoon Peter Kalikow is rewriting his legacy by presiding over the biggest expansion of New York�s transit system in 60 years. And the Second Avenue subway is only part of the MTA chairman�s plan.
From the April 5, 2004 issue of New York Magazine


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