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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Oh get a grip. This has nothing to do with the ego of the headliner or DJ worship. The fact is that people are going to be at the club all night, and warm-up DJs are intended to warm the floor up- not wear out the club within the first hour. The headline DJ is booked to peak the night. It's perfectly understanble that Armin wanted the warm-up guys to keep the tempo down: it'd kill the night if everyone on the dancefloor was knackered before the headliner had even started his set.

amen... i don't know why ppl are attacking armin for it either... a mate of mine warmed up for sasha and was told not to go above a certain DB level, and not to go over a certain bpm...

warming up isn't about trying to steal someone's limelight... it's about warming up the crowd for the main act... the music industry is to political and cut throat for it's own good imo... i remember when it was about music, and love for music...

well,

in the end i guess everyone's perception is based on whether or not they are willing to go with "social heirachy" and to what point they see it as necessary...

in the end, that's what it really comes down in determining whether or not ur bothered by things like this or not.

heh, warming up doesn't mean you have to play slow crappy music. There are good tunes that are not peak songs. So you wont hear 3 hours of pre-designated music. To me an opener will get ya moving a bit and keep it interesting. The good openers Ive seen have played grooving sets, even peaked once er so about a half hour 45 mins before the headline and it was good.

one reason I still think openers should keep it calm came from the night I first saw eddie halliwell and ferry corsten. We had our usual opener play for an hour, just some prog type stuff, then eddie got on. He started slow for a half hour and then went off for like an hour or an hour and a half. I mean went off, then ferry got on and it just kinda went down from there. yea Ferry played a great set, but after eddie tore it up it wasn't the same.


then I saw oakenfold play before halliwell. That worked soo much better, Oaky played just some prog/trance type tunes, nothing too good and then eddie tore it up. Much better night.


maybe its just me but I don't think I can dance to peak music for 6 hours a night. I like the build up of slower grooving dancing before I go insane.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 one reason I still think openers should keep it calm came from the night I first saw eddie halliwell and ferry corsten. We had our usual opener play for an hour, just some prog type stuff, then eddie got on. He started slow for a half hour and then went off for like an hour or an hour and a half. I mean went off, then ferry got on and it just kinda went down from there. yea Ferry played a great set, but after eddie tore it up it wasn't the same.

haha, that so reminds me of gatecrasher @ n-ice this year. they had riley & durrant, matt hardwick, eddie halliwell, judge jules, ferry & tiesto.. in that order. i guess at bigger events they throw night structure out the window.. cos eddie came on playing banging techno/techtrance at 11:30pm getting the entire place jumping like mad... followed by jules bashing out similar harder stuff until 2 when ferry came on. the next 4 hours just felt a bit drained cos both ferry & tijs started off with slow mellow trance before building up to uplifting stuff.. just didn't feel like dancing to it.

at last years one they had pvd headlining, and put joof, marco v and eddie after him, which was much better.

the opener's job is sooooo important. it can really affect the night if it isnt done right. and when you are at the level of armin, or tiesto... you just cant have a bad show. or at least you try to avoid it at all costs- i mean, listen to you guys, read some of the threads. one of these guys has an off night and they get torn to bits. the bigger you are, the bigger the desire of peple to knock you down, and proper management has to take that into consideration.

i ahve been on both sides of it too, i have had locals opening for me who thought of opening like a rock band opens. "I'm gonna play my shit". so they are on at 138 bpm and i have NOWHERE TO GO FROM THERE. on the other hand, every DJ i have ever opened for, i have done a little research as to where they start their sets- either an advance email, phone call, or just listening to a couple recent sets online. i prepare myself to SET IT UP FOR THEM. that's what it is. the set up. when i warm up for a trancer, i get to rock out as much as i want because i dont want to play as fast or "peaky" as they do. its natural. but when i opened for people like pappa or JVM i never went over 126 bpm.

think of it like foreplay if you want.

when i warm up, the vibe of the night is my reward. yeah, its still fun, but i am not up there to show everyone how great i am. i am up there to contribute to a great night. every booking agent should stipulate the sounds of the warm up dj- too many promoters dont understand how to book professionals to warm up the room.

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Originally posted by DiMethGuy Trust me, I'm in NO way a fan of Ishkur, but he's got a point with his whole Superstar DJ Theory. And this topic further reinforces that. Instead of a DJ wanting people coming to a club to have a good time, the WHOLE time they are there, they want their set to be the only thing to focus on, and therefore they are the center of attention, not the music. So I'm paying a 20$ cover charge to hear 6 hours of good music, when in reality I'm paying 20$ to hear 3 hours of pre-designated music, and 3 hours of good stuff. Such crap. If Armin is so worried what someone is going to play before him, then he should get on the decks as soon as the club opens, and this way no one else has a chance of playing his tracks. I remember when everyone was talking about how Armin was "The People's DJ" but in the last year of so he's going the way of Tiestenfold. C'est la vie, bring on the new Dutch Trancers, whoever they may be.

You're gonna get a lot of repeated tracks if you do that.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Oh get a grip. This has nothing to do with the ego of the headliner or DJ worship. The fact is that people are going to be at the club all night, and warm-up DJs are intended to warm the floor up- not wear out the club within the first hour. The headline DJ is booked to peak the night. It's perfectly understanble that Armin wanted the warm-up guys to keep the tempo down: it'd kill the night if everyone on the dancefloor was knackered before the headliner had even started his set.

yes i agree perfectly fine by me, i dont see what the big fuss is about. man to organise a good night it needs to have good direction in the nights proceedings. just makes it that more enjoyable for everyone i guess.

thats what opening dj's are for, to get the crowd ready for the headliner...why is that so hard to understand?

.dJonE.

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Originally posted by DiMethGuy Trust me, I'm in NO way a fan of Ishkur, but he's got a point with his whole Superstar DJ Theory. And this topic further reinforces that.

i disagree... i'm no fan of ishkur either... he has got a point with the Superstar Theory.. but this in no way reinforces it...

the best is if the warm up djs doesnt play the same tracks as the headliner but still outshines him. then there are no excuses for Arminz and tieztorz "oh u damn warmupper you played tracks from my label, i am not in the spotlight no longer!! curse u!!!"

dont know why everyone is bashing armin
matt darey has been doing this for years

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Originally posted by RebeL9 the best is if the warm up djs doesnt play the same tracks as the headliner but still outshines him. then there are no excuses for Arminz and tieztorz "oh u damn warmupper you played tracks from my label, i am not in the spotlight no longer!! curse u!!!"

Hehe.

Too bad too many openers, especially newcomers, don't really look any further than the top 20 lists of their favourite DJs.

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Originally posted by basd Hehe. Too bad too many openers, especially newcomers, don't really look any further than the top 20 lists of their favourite DJs.

I know. it's sad.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 heh, warming up doesn't mean you have to play slow crappy music. There are good tunes that are not peak songs. So you wont hear 3 hours of pre-designated music. To me an opener will get ya moving a bit and keep it interesting. The good openers Ive seen have played grooving sets, even peaked once er so about a half hour 45 mins before the headline and it was good. one reason I still think openers should keep it calm came from the night I first saw eddie halliwell and ferry corsten. We had our usual opener play for an hour, just some prog type stuff, then eddie got on. He started slow for a half hour and then went off for like an hour or an hour and a half. I mean went off, then ferry got on and it just kinda went down from there. yea Ferry played a great set, but after eddie tore it up it wasn't the same. then I saw oakenfold play before halliwell. That worked soo much better, Oaky played just some prog/trance type tunes, nothing too good and then eddie tore it up. Much better night. maybe its just me but I don't think I can dance to peak music for 6 hours a night. I like the build up of slower grooving dancing before I go insane.

Totally agreed. Warm up sets don't have to be necessarily shit music, neither they have to be slow all the time. What they have to do is to prepare the crowd to the next dj. A little buildup of 3-4 faster tracks in the end of it can be really good.

Tiesto was at Nation in DC summer of 2004, a TA who calls himself empath opened up for him, he played quite a nice trance set that supposedly angered tiesto's manager.

I think all the big headliner DJ's have this policy to keep their opener from outshining them.

That party had way too many people, couldnt move, germ infested kids, standing in line for 3 hours in the rain, it made me sick and I had to drive for 5 hours to get home when it was over.

Personally I think the crowd should get to choose who gets to play the peak music rather than the celebrity dj's manager, It would be quite hilarious to book an international headliner and put him in that warmup timeslot before a local, muahahahah

From my view:

-If the gig was somethin like a line up then the agency of Armin shouldn't do that cause in that way they are really insultin the other djs.If the agency didn't like the idea of that gig then they shouldn't sign armin into that event,they should organise events with the only hoster being armin (does this reminds you of some concerts around?)
-If the night was just an ordinary event pre - purposed for armin then the agency should bring its personal warm up djs so they could control the night throughout

When exactly does this happen?

I was at Godskitchen last night in fact, Armin was headlining.
He was supported by Judge Jules, and anyone who has seen Jules will know he doesn't play damp 130bpm stuff...

And most of the time Armin is supported by Jon O'Bir at GK. That guy absolutely rocks the place.

As for the Armada tracks thing, that just seems normal to me. If I was headlining an event, I wouldn't want some warm-up DJ to spin all my trademark material before I'd had the chance to.

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Originally posted by Col When exactly does this happen? I was at Godskitchen last night in fact, Armin was headlining. He was supported by Judge Jules, and anyone who has seen Jules will know he doesn't play damp 130bpm stuff... And most of the time Armin is supported by Jon O'Bir at GK. That guy absolutely rocks the place. As for the Armada tracks thing, that just seems normal to me. If I was headlining an event, I wouldn't want some warm-up DJ to spin all my trademark material before I'd had the chance to.

i wondered something similar... jon o'bir warmed up for tiesto at the same place back in april and pretty much bashed it out... though brought the set gently back down towards the end

i have nothing to add other than this is a great thread. good opinions out there

wow, that is FUCKED. I'm never going to this guy's shows again. A lesson in mediocrity.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby wow, that is FUCKED. I'm never going to this guy's shows again. A lesson in mediocrity.

i wouldn't write him off just like that... and u've just read that he's far from the only dj to do that

Markus Schulz (or Gabriel & Dresden) could be a great openner for Armin ,although sometimes Markus goes up to 135BPM and Armin starts from 130BPM.Sometimes big name dj's should leave the prog trance part to the warm up dj's as most people pay x$ to listen to trance music from Armin and not prog trance.Apart from that i agree that you can't play tunes that the next dj will play,damn i'd say not to play even a different remix from a tune the next one will play.Warming up a crowd is great,there are so many great low-tempo tunes that can drive mad a crowd,it doesn't have to be 140BPM a tune to get the people moving

Back in August, Max Graham played at Spirit in NYC. The openers for that night played psy-trance at 145-150. Read the reviews for yourselves and see how happy everyone was with the flow of that night. While lots of people thought the openers were good, all the comments were about how that style of music shouldn't have been played before Max Graham. http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=288243

Dictating setlists isn't cool, but from my understanding, that's not what Armin's booking people are doing. There's still a lot of non-Armada tracks below 130 that do well to start the night off. All that he's asking is to not play to hard and don't play all of the tracks that him and his label discovered and signed or created themselves.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy All that he's asking is to not play to hard and don't play all of the tracks that him and his label discovered and signed or created themselves.

which is just common sense really... i still don't know what everyone's getting worked up...

who the fuck cares?

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