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how about you move to melbourne and stop this nonsense once and for all?
Maybe we should listen to Paulie.
He liked trance and now seems to frequent house venues. What attracts him to house
Here it is Dr.P
I go dr.P, cause i get to dress up, i get to go to packed venues, where i dont necessarily know everyone in the place, i get to dance and put up a sweat. Its about vibe, numbers, the quality of your crowd...I aint going to be going to events where little gimps like skoom and co. are let in...Im 23 ffs, as much as i hate to admit the crowd does influence me and my mates, and the kind of night were having...Dont get me wrong the music counts as well, but considering most of us are sheep, if you can get the other stuff right, the music matters less and less. Hard Trance and this Nrg shit has a lot to do with where the state of trance is atm imo. Take nothing away from the music, but like it or not it has affected the music scene and alienated the normal punter...
I think I have 5 words that can sum up the love paulie and i have for trance
airbase - theme from the rock.
Art of Trance - Madagascar
ahahah ead all of ya's i was being serious.
top tunes tho.
You know Paulie I though you'd say something like that.
You are 100% right though.
There you go Scottie thats what the scene needs. I have no idea how you would build it up. Good luck.
Another thing is that you want to go somewhere your friends will all enjoy, dont get me wrong but i dont think trance music is like that for many people.
House and RnB are the mainstream with the hits being plastered all over commercial radio. Thats another big reason their respective club scenes thrive.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nyquist_Theorem
this is very true.
if i had a dollar for every time i'd attempted to work with or get to know (personally or professionally) someone on this forum only to be f'd off, disinvited, ignored, have them run off with my girlfriend, etc, i'd have enough money to buy a toupee. 
I wonder how many other people like me come along full of enthusiasm and energy, running from one person to the next saying 'yo, want my help? what can i do? anything at all man, let me help you succeed because i like what you're doing!' just to be told 'no man, I don't need your help, thanks'.
I agree with your sentiment.
I've certainy found my good nature and enthusiasm taken advantage of and that has really made me less frequent to events , sometimes my late shifts clash and my distance from the city plays a part, but it does start to put a sour taste in the mouth. I pride myself on being a nice bloke and having a genuine attitude and that un fortunately doesn't seem to go very far.
In terms of whats wrong with the scene i believe it is for two main reasons.
1) The need for a strong brand
2) The in fighting
Firtsly if you refer to something like ONE LOVE with John course etc... it pure and simply is a brand name, thats what tiesto is thats what gatecrasher is, it's a brand name. If you have a brand name with some local heros i think it will go vary far. You'll even attract the big guys at oracle and future.
This means locally signed producers.The big boys ferry, armin, tiesto etc... got big because of the tunes they produced. So i really think thats where the answer lies.
Midro is a local hero for the nrg scene because of his productions and media exposure, i'll count his mixed cds with that, punters see a brand name and folow it.
House is so big because of its branding, its marketed very well, its in the main stream airplay, it's marketed as a glamourous party destination for the beautiful people (that translates into chicks on the dance floor, which has a ripple effect- more guys, more drinks sold, more revenue). In the trance scene we haven't built a brand name strongly enough and we still don't have a lot of productions getting attention... big up to all the producers that are actually giving it a go...Big up to Trance Tribe Recordings...
The second reason is the in fighting.
If you have a brand that sells it attracts punters, the scene grows and then a lot more people can have a piece of the pie instead of the nasty in fighting we see over the diminishing scene we have on our hands. I believe having the scene grow through strong branding and media exposure will cause people to work towards something instead of fighting over what is already here. I think things are a little directionless.
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| Originally posted by batemanscott Vee, its a good idea but "Oracle" (adventjah) own the contract to GC now and future wont touch GC with a 10 ft poll  |
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| Originally posted by queen_vee Well big boo to that!! And why does Hardware have PvD? Oh it's all too weird. Maybe Obsession can present the next Ferry tour in conjuction with Future instead? He's due and that'd be schweet for you guys- work that angle!! The old Ferry, now he's associated with the classic sound of good quality trance... |
If ferry can't make it, we can get soups in a 10 hour exclusive (on behalf of open dex). I'm willing to negotiate soups on the basis that he gets a 10 hour set only.
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| Originally posted by DaveBegic If ferry can't make it, we can get soups in a 10 hour exclusive (on behalf of open dex). I'm willing to negotiate soups on the basis that he gets a 10 hour set only. |
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| Originally posted by DaveBegic If ferry can't make it, we can get soups in a 10 hour exclusive (on behalf of open dex). I'm willing to negotiate soups on the basis that he gets a 10 hour set only. |
i haven't read this entire thread but i think dj's have to stop thinking about themselves and pushing their own careers as individuals.
face it, just about everyone's a dj these days and only one in a billion will make it to the top.
if dj's stopped going out on their own tangent, trying to prove themselves as being the greatest thing sinced sliced bread, and focused on pushing the crew's they're associated with, the nights might just be more successful.
people don't rock up to a night to see you play, they come out to have a good time, and if you all stopped obsessing with yourselves you might be able to give them that.
*end rant*
p.s i was extremely coked whilst writing this 
It's quite simple..... the dj's do not know how to play to a crowd.
ask JPL he learn't the hard way and he's the only one i'm impressed with at the moment.
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| Originally posted by batemanscott We are in talks with future atm for something in a few months but nothing is confirmed yet |
you can all cum to an event I am having called happy snappy flappy flaps on ice (named after a designer fragrance, of course!)... it will be held in conjunction with my birthday and Cosmic Gate have agreed to play on the proviso that no and I repeat NO PUSSY TRANCE ARSE MOFO'S ARE ALLOWED IN!!!
p.s. this is a Better Entertainment and Showstopper sponsored event so stick that in ya pipe and smoke it!
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| Originally posted by Mangler It's quite simple..... the dj's do not know how to play to a crowd. ask JPL he learn't the hard way and he's the only one i'm impressed with at the moment. |
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| Originally posted by -=M=- you shouldnt have to change what style you play, people should be there to see you play your own style |
unless you are nik fish or kid kenobi or someone like that then people arent going out to see the dj. they are going out to have a good time...the dj's job is to help them enjoy the night - then if the dj is really good at making people enjoy their night - then they get like nick fish and kid kenobi.
most dj's like lots of different styles of music - the good ones just have the skill to be able to work out which style will work on the night. i saw a perfect example of this at the last inprogress night with chris meehan - not the most corwded room, but everybody in the joint was dancing after about 3 tracks - he werked out what would werk and made it happen.
cheers albs - has the world gone mad?
meehan got my vote 
Hi all,
From memory this might be my first post. So I apologise if its long, painful, generalised and a duplicate of what others have said.
Some background on me first. I am punter/bedroom DJ for fun. I go out for the music, atmosphere, social setting and enjoy most forms of electroinic music with major preference for trance. I mix all forms of trance on my PC and mixer at home, mainly AVB, PVD, Markus, Cosmic Gate, Katana, MIKE styles, anything that sounds good and makes me want to move. I have been into the scene since 2000 but only go out to see the big boys when they come down (hoping this can change). My friends are mixed, some are trance DJ's, trance punters, house DJ's and house punters.
When I first went to raves it was more a gathering. A collection of people going out for the electronic music and to dance, regardless of what it was. Now more so than ever it is split, grouped, generalised and categorised. Sorry for being harsh here, but the word trance in melbourne is associated with hardnrg, power trance, hardstyle, heavy drug use, OD's, immaturity, trash and 'skuck' as unfortunate as it is. The more mature people in the scene seem to have drifted to house. Mainly due to the crowds and higher social setting/maturity level, vibe so to speak, dressed up, etc etc.
Yesterday I went to Sunshine People to see Cosmic Gate (fantastic btw) and was amazed at what I saw. People (not all) more off chops than I have ever seen, some would not have been 17 and would even know what DJ was playing let alone what they were playing. At times I was scared to see how hammered some people were. Most of all I was ashamed and sad that the word 'trance' was associated to this environment. Apologies for sounding harsh, each to their own, not saying this should be removed from melbourne, there should be something for everyones tastes, but this image is ruining it for others like us, not to mention young people getting into the scene. Uplifting/Prog and nothing like this at all, it is magical, beatiful and emotional music which can be interpreted in a million different ways (sorry if I am getting carried away).
For a change of pace and the for the first time in years I went to a big house night last night. I went to ONELOVE at the prince with my 'house friends'. This place was going off, people happy and dancing non stop, meeting new people, socialising, picking up and kissing for f-cks sake! John Course & Grant Smillie were going bananas (mind you I did not really like what they were playing..). COMPLETELY different feel to the place. To me, the peak of the night was the DJ after Course & Smilie (don't know his name). He played house with melody and euphoric breakdowns like trance. He even played a track with the melody from Open your eyes by Koko!. This stuff had people grinning from ear to ear with hands in the air...? The place went off. Hell I was going bananas, but I was upset and jealous at the same time. It was a much more comfortable surrounding, especially considering it was a more or less a Summadayze recovery. This is what we are lacking BIG time.
When I chat to my house friends, the ladies, they hate trance. BUT. When we go through old CD's (eg Gatecrasher blue) their favourite tracks are: Push - Universal Nation, Greece 2000, For an Angel, etc. I say to them. "You know this is Trance?". "Oh is it? We love those tunes, but we like house music now". hmmmm....? Why? Very sad indeed. Makes me wonder if the house crowd at Summadayze knew they were rocking to trance when Armin tore the place apart last year.
How do we fix it? I don't know... We could start by:
- Someone organise a meeting for all interested parties (anyone and everyone from this forum) to discuss a plan for a new night/event. Perhaps with a house sales pitch? Classics. I don't know how this is best done.
- Work TOGETHER. Enough of this back stabbing, self promotion, fear of being 'beaten' type crap. Soon you will have no one to play for and will have to turn to house to get your DJ buzz like some of my friends have started doing. One of my friends has been trying to get a gig in melbourne for ages and keeps hitting brick walls. He plays a driving uplifting sound similar to PVD influence, produces his own tunes which are being played in Europe. Technically fantastic DJ, blows me away when he plays (and I am a very picky listener with a sharp ear). He has a style I have not heard much in melbourne before. Why can't he get a gig? Is it him? Is it the people/walls he is encountering? I don't know...
The key points here are that we need to work together to save our scene, or as Scott says we will be forced to wait for the big events and downloading of live sets to get our fix.
your a dickhead.
sometimes....
(better queen of trance?)
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