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Originally posted by Krypton If the topic is not good enough for your superior intellect, by all means don't reply?

No, he can't leave it alone and it's most likely because he can't accept the fact that we might be right. It would be too great of a challenge for him to accept that he's been living in a false reality that's been created in a large part through lifelong conditioning by a deceptive mass media and a materially obsessed, spiritually deprived pop culture.

If one fails to ever ask questions, one will never get any answers.

A lot of people still want answers just as I do.

Just ask Donna Marsh O'Connor because she's one of them.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Don't forget that this is the guy who thinks not people, but the government needs more rights and liberties!

find a single post of mine that states that you tool

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Originally posted by Trancer-X No, he can't leave it alone and it's most likely because he can't accept the fact that we might be right. It would be too great of a challenge for him to accept that he's been living in a false reality that's been created in a large part through his lifelong conditioning by a deceptive mass media and a materially obsessed, spiritually deprived pop culture.

and here we have your generic, repetitive rhetoric trotted out by every man and his dog since the industrial revolution *yawns* the irony of you using "false reality" is no doubt lost on you.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Don't forget that this is the guy who thinks not people, but the government needs more rights and liberties!

Poor deprived government!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN find a single post of mine that states that you tool and here we have your generic, repetitive rhetoric trotted out by every man and his dog since the industrial revolution *yawns* the irony of you using "false reality" is no doubt lost on you.

Your words strike me as particularly ironic in light of the fact that I actively investigate each surface of as many facets of this reality as I can, whether it be political, environmental, health/nutrition, humanities such as history, art, music, literature, philosophy, etc.

I'm not the one living in the bubble of propaganda and I'm definitely not the kid with the video game avatar with "lvl 20 chaotic-evil mage" as my custom status

PKC, you have got to be the angriest stoner I've ever come across.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Your words strike me as particularly ironic in light of the fact that I actively investigate each surface of as many facets of this reality as I can, whether it be political, environmental, health/nutrition, humanities such as history, art, music, literature, philosophy, etc. I'm definitely not the one living in the bubble of propaganda

the difference being that your "research" is skewed too far to one side for me to find it particularly credible or compelling. the fact that you maintain known fallacies as part of your 9/11 view just illustrates this.

the fact that (in your opinion) so many things have "secret" meanings, that governments are always wrong and "shadowy", that there arent simple explanations for anything just shows that youre a victim of the CT-esque propaganda.

logic dictates that the truth will be in the middle somewhere. not always easy to find, granted. but anyone (like yourself or cretinrot or magnetonium) that "finds" it, consistently favouring one particular "side" is just as bad (imo) as someone like Q5 who sees it so blindly from the other.

the evil romanticism and the (more or less) neo-marxist analysis gets fucking old eventually.

but you may continue to label everyone that disagrees with you as sheep. your view of the world is far too skewed to guarantee anything but more skewishness the more you do your "research". like that list of engineers you posted not too long ago. researched that well and hard didnt you!

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z PKC, you have got to be the angriest stoner I've ever come across.

haha. what can i say? people like shibby piss me off with their off-hand comments that have no basis in fact. not my fault i dont go thru my life jumping at shadows.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN the difference being that your "research" is skewed too far to one side for me to find it particularly credible or compelling. the fact that you maintain known fallacies as part of your 9/11 view just illustrates this. the fact that (in your opinion) so many things have "secret" meanings, that governments are always wrong and "shadowy", that there arent simple explanations for anything just shows that youre a victim of the CT-esque propaganda. logic dictates that the truth will be in the middle somewhere. not always easy to find, granted. but anyone (like yourself or cretinrot or magnetonium) that "finds" it, consistently favouring one particular "side" is just as bad (imo) as someone like Q5 who sees it so blindly from the other. the evil romanticism and the (more or less) neo-marxist analysis gets fucking old eventually. but you may continue to label everyone that disagrees with you as sheep. your view of the world is far too skewed to guarantee anything but more skewishness the more you do your "research". like that list of engineers you posted not too long ago. researched that well and hard didnt you!

I think that either you've been purposefully misconstruing everything that I've ever said on here for your own reasons or you're doing it for some entity that you're working for.

Please stop spewing hot air and show me these fallacies that you're speaking of.

And I only think you're a sheep because you seem to be totally uninformed but apparently are quite happy to be so. It's really quite sad

Well, pkc, I'm not certainly going out and saying that every government is shadowy or whatever. I'm really referring to the American government and how it operates, and the illusion that this country is run by a democracy of elected officials when in reality, this country is run by a select few multi-national corporations who don't operate for the people, by the people, and of the people, but for profit, by profit, and of profit. That's the conspiracy I'm talking about.

Like separation of church and state, I believe there should be a separation of the corporation and state.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X or you're doing it for some entity that you're working for.

^^see. that's what im talking about. yeah, im a secret government agent who spends their time on TA because its the most important watershed for political change in the world

i mean honestly, how can you make such criticisms seriously? i really don't get it. the fact that you even entertain such a possibility is the reason why i cant take a lot of what you have to say seriously.

here's a hint: the most likely reason people are here, on this TA website, is that they enjoy electronic dance music.

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Please stop spewing hot air and show me these fallacies that you're speaking of.

well, let's not turn it into another one of "those" threads but your comments about WTC falling even tho suffering little damage/fire, or that molten metal = explosives. neither are true.

pkc is a CIA AGENT!!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ^^see. that's what im talking about. yeah, im a secret government agent who spends their time on TA because its the most important watershed for political change in the world i mean honestly, how can you make such criticisms seriously? i really don't get it. the fact that you even entertain such a possibility is the reason why i cant take a lot of what you have to say seriously. here's a hint: the most likely reason people are here, on this TA website, is that they enjoy electronic dance music. well, let's not turn it into another one of "those" threads but your comments about WTC falling even tho suffering little damage/fire, or that molten metal = explosives. neither are true.

I know it's difficult for some people to comprehend but yeah, it's been proven that the intelligence services have been contracting about 80% of everything out to private companies such as CIRA, which according to this article states that

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CIRA supports a variety of national security operations such as interpersonal deception detection, undercover/clandestine operations, psychological operations and mass persuasion, ... [U]nderstanding and mitigating terrorist recruitment, threat assessment, interview and interrogation techniques, and risk communication, among others.

This other article (more recent - from the other day) even goes on to state that my Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)

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Outsources a Record $1 billion+ of Intel Services

Maybe you can do some of your own research some time - like before you open your mouth again and make yourself look even more ignorant than you already appear.

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Originally posted by Krypton pkc is a CIA AGENT!!

It's possible. But if he is, he's a very smart one who's acting like he's honestly kind of dumb.

I often wonder if Dubya is doing something similar.

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Originally posted by Krypton pkc is a CIA AGENT!!

if that's the case, he must be making minumium wage

done an aweful job so far

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Maybe you can do some of your own research some time - like before you open your mouth again and make yourself look even more ignorant than you already appear.

blah blah blah. i think trancer x is a paranoid little child = im obviously ignorant

firstly, at no stage did i doubt that the intelligence services conduct various operations like the one you have listed.

but i fucking guarantee you there arent CIA operatives regularly surfing dance music websites and engaging paranoid schizos like yourself in these kinds of debates. i mean seriously, grow the fuck up.

the government have far more successful and far more efficient ways to get things done than get some spook to log onto a music net forum and argue with the likes of you. stop giving yourself such airs

here's another hint: the government do not give a fuck about you trancer. you are meaningless and beneath their concern.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN the government have far more successful and far more efficient ways to get things done

Your insinuation that governments can be successful and/or efficient illuminates just how little you actually know about governments!

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Your insinuation that governments can be successful and/or efficient illuminates just how little you actually know about governments!

see, that comment is actually funny

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN see, that comment is actually funny

Please, refer to sig .

Governments job is to simply defend the right to life, liberty, and property. Everything else is bureacratic pandering to special interests.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN blah blah blah. i think trancer x is a paranoid little child = im obviously ignorant firstly, at no stage did i doubt that the intelligence services conduct various operations like the one you have listed. but i fucking guarantee you there arent CIA operatives regularly surfing dance music websites and engaging paranoid schizos like yourself in these kinds of debates. i mean seriously, grow the fuck up. the government have far more successful and far more efficient ways to get things done than get some spook to log onto a music net forum and argue with the likes of you. stop giving yourself such airs here's another hint: the government do not give a fuck about you trancer. you are meaningless and beneath their concern.

What, you think they wouldn't hire a half-wit with an ounce of speaking and typing skill to sit in a cubicle and police online forums for them for $10/hr? Hell yeah, they would!

They obviously have eyes and ears (and mouthpieces) everywhere else, so what would make an online forum any different?

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Originally posted by Krypton Please, refer to sig . Governments job is to simply defend the right to life, liberty, and property. Everything else is bureacratic pandering to special interests.

there's already a thread for your narrow-minded lassez faire (shit, its been so long sice i graduated i've forgotten how to spell it) love interest.

libertarians are just as bad as socialists when it comes to their mindless rhetoric. if you actually had ANY experience in how government's worked you would know that they are more than capable of engendering badly needed infrastrucure/planning that the private sector would completely incapable of achieving.

you totally missed my comment anyway. goddamn you people are shitting me today.

do any of you come up with your own ideas or just parrot meaningless shit that far greater ideologues than yourself have debunked centuries before? its bloody tedious seeing the same, tired catch-phrases that any first year uni student could dismiss. christ.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X What, you think they wouldn't hire a half-wit with an ounce of speaking and typing skill to sit in a cubicle and police online forums for them for $10/hr? Hell yeah, they would!

what a load of bullshit. i guarantee you government agents are more interested in extremist websites

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Originally posted by Trancer-X They obviously have eyes and ears (and mouthpieces) everywhere else, so what would make an online forum any different?

the POINT. what is the point? tell me. here i am, wasting my working hours debating paranoid shit (that is thoroughly beneath me) with you. what exactly am i achieving? what are my goals? what can i produce at the end of it to include in my report to the evil master overlords?

its getting ridiculous now. you'll believe just about anything you can't prove. you have such an inflated sense of your (and the other crazy people's) importance.

the CIA give a shit about people that are planning to do things against their interests. let me tell you, a nameless net name with little to no TA credibility (other than from other lunatic fringe people) do not worry the CIA one iota. you are more than meaningless to them. unless you're planning to execute anything other than copying and pasting your biased research into an EDM internet forum, you're nothing.

so please, stop pretending you and your other law-abiding "lone gunman" types are of any concern whatsoever

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN what a load of bullshit. i guarantee you government agents are more interested in extremist websites the POINT. what is the point? tell me. here i am, wasting my working hours debating paranoid shit (that is thoroughly beneath me) with you. what exactly am i achieving? what are my goals? what can i produce at the end of it to include in my report to the evil master overlords? its getting ridiculous now. you'll believe just about anything you can't prove. you have such an inflated sense of your (and the other crazy people's) importance. the CIA give a shit about people that are planning to do things against their interests. let me tell you, a nameless net name with little to no TA credibility (other than from other lunatic fringe people) do not worry the CIA one iota. you are more than meaningless to them. unless you're planning to execute anything other than copying and pasting your biased research into an EDM internet forum, you're nothing. so please, stop pretending you and your other law-abiding "lone gunman" types are of any concern whatsoever

says the agent provocateur holding the rock lol

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=433357

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN there's already a thread for your narrow-minded lassez faire (shit, its been so long sice i graduated i've forgotten how to spell it) love interest. libertarians are just as bad as socialists when it comes to their mindless rhetoric. if you actually had ANY experience in how government's worked you would know that they are more than capable of engendering badly needed infrastrucure/planning that the private sector would completely incapable of achieving. you totally missed my comment anyway. goddamn you people are shitting me today. do any of you come up with your own ideas or just parrot meaningless shit that far greater ideologues than yourself have debunked centuries before? its bloody tedious seeing the same, tired catch-phrases that any first year uni student could dismiss. christ.

I'm not advocating laissez-faire. I believe a mixed economy of some regulation, but mostly free market is the best system. The SEC, Treasury Department, FED Reserve all serve a great purpose in protecting the consumer. So don't lump me with laissez-faire.

Really? I did hear that PRIVATE companies were trying to build a super highway right in the middle of Texas. Who do you think builds the infrastructure? It sure ain't state-owned companies. I really don't think you really want to try schoolin me on the economy . Government may fund these projects, but they don't build the roads.

I'm not asking for complete deregulation and laissez faire. I'm advocating against the welfare state, the father-knows-best state, big brother state. You wanna talk about the debunking throughout the centuries. Try to debunk this. The centuries has shown that government time and again fails, throughout history! The greatest of empires have all fell. But those governments that operate on the free-market model have prospered the most, were at war less with other free market countries, and survived the most as the same cohesive government entity. The US, more than any country demonstrates this fact in that it has existed as the same form of government for over 200 years, something no other government can boast today.

I do think for myself, and I ask you to not let the government think for you.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN there's already a thread for your narrow-minded lassez faire (shit, its been so long sice i graduated i've forgotten how to spell it) love interest.

You're lost and I'm sorry for you.

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Originally posted by Krypton I'm not advocating laissez-faire. I believe a mixed economy of some regulation, but mostly free market is the best system. The SEC, Treasury Department, FED Reserve all serve a great purpose in protecting the consumer. So don't lump me with laissez-faire. Really? I did hear that PRIVATE companies were trying to build a super highway right in the middle of Texas. Who do you think builds the infrastructure? It sure ain't state-owned companies. I really don't think you really want to try schoolin me on the economy . Government may fund these projects, but they don't build the roads. I'm not asking for complete deregulation and laissez faire. I'm advocating against the welfare state, the father-knows-best state, big brother state. You wanna talk about the debunking throughout the centuries. Try to debunk this. The centuries has shown that government time and again fails, throughout history! The greatest of empires have all fell. But those governments that operate on the free-market model have prospered the most, were at war less with other free market countries, and survived the most as the same cohesive government entity. The US, more than any country demonstrates this fact in that it has existed as the same form of government for over 200 years, something no other government can boast today. I do think for myself, and I ask you to not let the government think for you.

you're still missing my point. i am not advocating governments per se, just stating that government is a necessary evil.

oh, but since you asked- there have been plenty of state-run enterprises that have built infrastructure ok? so look outside your narrow american experience will you?

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