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Originally posted by Tiesto4Life as an almost-grad kinesiology student, all i can do is at this statement. sorry buddy but when you don't know something for a fact, please don't post it for all people to see b/c there are some that might believe you and that could seriously lead them to health concerns/problems (that's if they are dumb enuf to actually go ahead and listen to this kind of statements). 23lbs of muscle mass and your into your 4th month??????? wow man, as a personal trainer myself, maybe i should quit and learn from your trainer seeing how he did that to you!! and you don't need protein shakes or vitamin supplements if you're eating right and getting enough of daily amounts. if you eat too much of protein it's not good for you and in fact if you know exactly what they put in that powder to call it protein, you'd be really surprised. you want protein? go get egg whites and make your own shake with real juice and berries at home. too much vitamins could deteriote your digestive tract and enzyme activity in your stomach. so because you constantly hear how good this or that is, everything is only good in moderation!! don't go out and drink protein shakes and vitamin supplements if you don't know what the fuck is going on in this world of kinesiology and nutrition. rather talk to a specialist in nutrition, take tests from your doctor and see what you need or lacking in your body and only then you may take supplements. and use common sence too. remember: all of this protein shake'n'bake stuff, it's all marketing. and protein is primarily used to decrease muscle soreness from microscopic damage that's done to your tissues so it restores muscle tissue. it doesn't build muscle in your body. if you lie on your coach all day long and take protein it wont help you build muscle mass. it will help you get back to the gym the next day without feeling like you're dead. and also it doesn't contribute much to energy (ATP) at all. only 5-10% of protein is used for energy substrates. you're using all the energy to lift the weights from your carbs (50-60%) and when task becomes longer and you require oxygen (ie. running) then you're using primarily your stored fat sources. anyway, for anyone out there who's looking to find answers to their questions, i can help you out from what i know and from what all my textbooks know.

Man you give good kine. students a bad name.
"23lbs of muscle mass and your into your 4th month???????"
This is possible, not for most - but for some.

"and you don't need protein shakes or vitamin supplements if you're eating right and getting enough of daily amounts."
Yeah but join the real world buddy. To get everything you need from food, you need to eat alot of it...which also comes with alot of calories. Supplementation does fill a necessary gap for some people.

"in fact if you know exactly what they put in that powder to call it protein, you'd be really surprised."
Proof???

"too much vitamins could deteriote your digestive tract and enzyme activity in your stomach."
Absurd. Which vitamins cause this? I suppose vitamin C?

"don't go out and drink protein shakes and vitamin supplements if you don't know what the fuck is going on in this world of kinesiology and nutrition."
Absurd and elitist. Supplements are regulated. And the Canadian gov't is quite strict. Christ we can't even buy Stevia at very many places in Canada! What's your fear of supplements? Your taking what the forth year nutrition prof. has fed you as gospel. Mistake!

"only 5-10% of protein is used for energy substrates."
Yeah but alot of the rest of it used in its amino acid form for hormone production. In the gentleman asking for advices' case and most importantly, natually produced testosterone.

And for God sakes don't talk to a dietician either....they are waaay behind in thinking on this stuff too. They'll speak to you like this guy did.....

Interesting how this kinda morphed into a nutrition session but hey, it's an important part of the overall process

As far as vitamins go, I've been taking suppliments for well over 10 years now and I'm talking a GOOD multi-vitamin, not these 'bed-pan bullets' that go right through you either...

Interestingly enough, I'm going to have access to an actual DNA swab test that will determine exactly what area I'll need supplimentation in.
No more shotgun approach to buying vitamins! Thank God!

Some of you were asking how this is going and so far so good, even though it got off to a rough start.

The trainer I started with landed up leaving about 4-5 sessions in so I became 'orphaned' for a month or so.

I was about to go one Sat. to find out what happened when I got a call the Thursday before from a new guy who was going to take over my sessions.
Cool!
Lands up this guy is ex-military from out West (Edmonton) but has been doing personal training for the last 4 years.
Nice guy, not the barking Sarge-type you might have going through your heads right about now.

We started in the beginning of May and after one month (4 weeks) have lost 10pds and 2% of body fat.
He wants to put me up on gym wall....lol!

I'm about 1/2 way through the original sessions and have ordered more; wish me luck!

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r We started in the beginning of May and after one month (4 weeks) have lost 10pds and 2% of body fat. He wants to put me up on gym wall....lol! I'm about 1/2 way through the original sessions and have ordered more; wish me luck!

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

That is super awesome... what an accomplishment! Definately keep up the good work!!!

How are you doing with eating?

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Originally posted by Killah Monkey CONGRATULATIONS!!! That is super awesome... what an accomplishment! Definately keep up the good work!!! How are you doing with eating?

Diet isn't usually a big problem because the wifey and I have been sculpting that process over the years.

Low on the bread end, taking our multi-vitamins, staying away from the 'oses' - glucose, fructose, etc., corn syrup (you'd be amazed how much these things are in EVERYTHING! ), no carbs after 6pm, protein drinks, and smaller meals at regular intervals <<-- the toughy.

I have one or so days where I can eat/drink what I want but within limits of course

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Diet isn't usually a big problem because the wifey and I have been sculpting that process over the years. Low on the bread end, taking our multi-vitamins, staying away from the 'oses' - glucose, fructose, etc., corn syrup (you'd be amazed how much these things are in EVERYTHING! ), no carbs after 6pm, protein drinks, and smaller meals at regular intervals <<-- the toughy. I have one or so days where I can eat/drink what I want but within limits of course

Very nice... that makes a huge difference.

Have you noticed a change in your energy levels?

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Originally posted by Killah Monkey Very nice... that makes a huge difference. Have you noticed a change in your energy levels?

Before or after the training...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Before or after the training...

That looks like me after my training sessions. Zero energy for anything.

Congrats, Jeff! Keep up the good work!

I've been training since the first week of March, down 32 lbs, all fat. I think I can lose another 20 by the wedding, at least.

i just started with a personal trainer 3 weeks ago and on friday i'm finishing the first training package. i've made so much progress in such little time that he's run out of stuff to do with me within the 'basic' package. funny enough though i've only been really sore the first two times, every other time i've felt like going back the next day. but, honestly, not that i have much body fat i need to loose (~6kg i think to reach my 'ideal weight), - just the mere fact of getting in shape, doing cardio & toning, eating consciously well & fitting into my new clothes - besides the fact that he is cute & hot (great motivational factor!! hehehe!) i feel absolutely revived and refreshed. now i'm wondering why the hell i've put this off for so long??? this is my new addiction! love feeling & looking good!

for whoever is having second thoughts - just do it! the rewards are so amazing! i see it with myself...it takes the smallest effort to see the first real results within the littlest time and that is the best 'high' to be on!

disko-kandi and tatgirl that's awesome!!

You're going to be like brand new women when you're done (or does one ever finish?)...hubba hubba

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Originally posted by Tunnel Rat Man you give good kine. students a bad name. "23lbs of muscle mass and your into your 4th month???????" This is possible, not for most - but for some. "and you don't need protein shakes or vitamin supplements if you're eating right and getting enough of daily amounts." Yeah but join the real world buddy. To get everything you need from food, you need to eat alot of it...which also comes with alot of calories. Supplementation does fill a necessary gap for some people. "in fact if you know exactly what they put in that powder to call it protein, you'd be really surprised." Proof??? "too much vitamins could deteriote your digestive tract and enzyme activity in your stomach." Absurd. Which vitamins cause this? I suppose vitamin C? "don't go out and drink protein shakes and vitamin supplements if you don't know what the fuck is going on in this world of kinesiology and nutrition." Absurd and elitist. Supplements are regulated. And the Canadian gov't is quite strict. Christ we can't even buy Stevia at very many places in Canada! What's your fear of supplements? Your taking what the forth year nutrition prof. has fed you as gospel. Mistake! "only 5-10% of protein is used for energy substrates." Yeah but alot of the rest of it used in its amino acid form for hormone production. In the gentleman asking for advices' case and most importantly, natually produced testosterone. And for God sakes don't talk to a dietician either....they are waaay behind in thinking on this stuff too. They'll speak to you like this guy did.....

wow looks like my statement made someone very angry. i'm not getting into arguments with you cuz there's just no point in wasting time. bottom line is what i wrote is backed up by university textbooks. and if you can't trust university textbooks and professors then who do you trust in this world?? the school of kinesiology and health sciences at york university is in top 5 kinesiology schools in canada and has a high rating. so you tell me, if what you're saying is that the profs teach us bullshit and the textbooks are false, where should i go to get my health education???

and by the way, about what they put into protein whey is extra vitamins and minerals that your body doesn't need if you're eating healthy and getting enough of it from your diet. stuff like lactates, phosphates, chlorides, citrases, oxide, ferrous iron, b-complex vitamins like riboflovin, the list goes on. and other stuff such as artificial flavours, aspartame, salt + syrop oils, which aren't the best thing for your body. basically if you're gonna take artificial protein, what i was saying is talk to a professional in the field, not just some random dude at the nutrition store.

and too much minerals do cause problems to digestive tract over time. nothing is good when you take too much. blueberries are good for you because of antioxidants let's say, but if you take 10kg of blueberries every day...you see where i am going with this?

i'm a kine graduate from one of the top schools in the country, certified nutritionist and fitness conditioning coach. i know my stuff! not everything, not close to everything b/c this field is very deep, but i know stuff most people don't in this field. so please don't go bashing @ me b/c unless you have something that's proven by facts, i will rather take that as a learning experience. so far, you haven't proved me anything. 23 lbs of muscle mass in 3 months is impossible again for someone who's starting at that weight. no matter how much they train!

my dieting secret is don't eat late, and keep pushing the time back earlier and earlier. I never eat a big meal for dinner, and usually have it around 5-6pm and that is it for the day. Also, a healthy and nutritious breakfast if you am'er's have it in you to wake up slightly earlier. Doing the workout video 'slimin6' consistantly and sticking to a healthy diet (i'm eating probably less then half my required daily calorie intake, but still getting proper nutrition in. I've lost about 20lbs. in 2 months. At the rate i'm going i'll have nice abs by the end of summer!


ps. the hardcore dieting has not been for the full two months, only maybe 3 weeks of it.

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Originally posted by djbruuen Doing the workout video 'slimin6' consistantly and sticking to a healthy diet

Ha Ha... I have almost all of the beachbody videos... I am serious... ha ha... If you want to upgrade to the slim series, let me know, I will sell them to you for cheap..

I'm an infomercial's wet dream...!

I have been working out for over 6 years, pretty much regularly, including running, climbing, kickboxing and weight training and I am in good shape... but you know how you reach your goals and you just wanna keep getting better...?

I started an intense training program this week including a meal plan (where I weigh and calculate everything). So if anyone wonders why I am eating that protein bar and shake at the skybar or only drinking water... you know why.

Cudos to you tatgirl and firstart3r... It is great that you are working so hard to reach your goals!! That is really super awesome!!!

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