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Originally posted by Push2005 He's just an average dj; but he knows how to entertain a crowd!

so does Scooter!!11
all hail Scooter!1

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Originally posted by Clovis86 To me, if a DJ has to rely on known ch00ns and hits to get the crowd going, hes pretty fucking lazy.

but if a bulk of audience wants to hear shite that's been beaten to death, what's he to do? he can either say fuck the audience and keep playing whatever he wants (like an armand van helden would do) or try to give a majority of the crowd what it wants -- however tedious it is and however exhausted of hearing it he (and the more knowledgeable clubbers) might be.

this year, ive seen tiesto drop tracks like criss source - hugs n' kisses or soopertrack and no one gives a shit so it's a catch-22: he can mess with his popularity and livelihood by pissing off the young gimps in attendance or he can try to strike a balance which is what he appears to have been doing in 2005. those who say that he should be a purist through-and-through lack perspective imo.

one of the larger questions that flows from a debate like this is, "is it possible to maintain quality when your popularity reaches the point of saturation?"

as a long time fan, the crowds have become the biggest turnoff for me, to the point of embarassment at my liking the same dj as them, despite our different reasons for doing so.

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Originally posted by idoru Sorry... I'm a pervert.

Best post insofar.

And lol @ people liking Tiesto.

I thought his Revolution album seemed to have a lot more prog. than anything else he's done. Esp. that first disc. That being said, i really liked it.

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Originally posted by Konijn but if a bulk of audience wants to hear shite that's been beaten to death, what's he to do? he can either say fuck the audience and keep playing whatever he wants (like an armand van helden would do) or try to give a majority of the crowd what it wants -- however tedious it is and however exhausted of hearing it he (and the more knowledgeable clubbers) might be. this year, ive seen tiesto drop tracks like criss source - hugs n' kisses or soopertrack and no one gives a shit so it's a catch-22: he can mess with his popularity and livelihood by pissing off the young gimps in attendance or he can try to strike a balance which is what he appears to have been doing in 2005. those who say that he should be a purist through-and-through lack perspective imo. one of the larger questions that flows from a debate like this is, "is it possible to maintain quality when your popularity reaches the point of saturation?" as a long time fan, the crowds have become the biggest turnoff for me, to the point of embarassment at my liking the same dj as them, despite our different reasons for doing so.

Well, I agree alot! But if it was me DJing...I cant see myself playing tracks I dont like, or that I'm bored of, just to please an audience. Maybe one or two hits every now and then if its a special request...but ffs, whats the point in DJing if you cant play the music you like?

I think the problem with him dropping Hugs N' Kisses, is that he'll drop it after Lawler has already canned it for 6 months, so if hes trying to appeal to us prog heads, we're gonna laugh, and the trance kiddies are gonna be going "wtf is this".

So hes dug himself into a hole.

And there are other prog house tunes just as good as Hugs N' Kisses that no one is playing, like I said before...ITS UP TO THE DJ TO FIND NEW MUSIC for us, the clubbers to hear.

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Originally posted by Konijn as a long time fan, the crowds have become the biggest turnoff for me, to the point of embarassment at my liking the same dj as them, despite our different reasons for doing so.

+1


not to mention the kind 'emptying of pockets' feeling that forking out for a 80 dollar ticket to a regular show sets each fan back.

Tiesto after Just Be sucks end of story goodbye

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Originally posted by Clovis86 I think the problem with him dropping Hugs N' Kisses, is that he'll drop it after Lawler has already canned it for 6 months

For piece of mind, can this be confirmed?

Tijs dropped it twice in June. (it clearly wasn't working for the teenyboppers)

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! For piece of mind, can this be confirmed? Tijs dropped it twice in June. (it clearly wasn't working for the teenyboppers)

Yeah, Lawler was playing it out around the same time, in fact the first time I heard it was when Steve was in LA June 25th. So I dunno who played it first

P.S. I'm glad I didnt pay a dime to get into TiC LA...if I wanted to see a good circus show, I'd check out Cirque Du Soleil...lol

i once started a thread "tiesto is god"

it got deleted.

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Originally posted by slinkyhead but don't you find that the atmosphere sucks with the lesser known djs. For me clubbing is a good 80% about atmosphere, which is why i still like seeing big named djs.

no i dont...i find it is better with lesser known DJs...i am tired of being packed into a club with a bunch of kiddies yelling and screaming and hissing at their fav DJ or throwing vynils at them to spin or sign...not too mention no room to dance...

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Originally posted by Clovis86 Yeah, Lawler was playing it out around the same time, in fact the first time I heard it was when Steve was in LA June 25th. So I dunno who played it first P.S. I'm glad I didnt pay a dime to get into TiC LA...if I wanted to see a good circus show, I'd check out Cirque Du Soleil...lol

Well Tiesto WINS at least one point here..

He first played it on 05-JUNE-2005 - and Konijn was there in attendance so he can vouch for that one

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Originally posted by Tiesto14 no i dont...i find it is better with lesser known DJs...i am tired of being packed into a club with a bunch of kiddies yelling and screaming and hissing at their fav DJ or throwing vynils at them to spin or sign...not too mention no room to dance...

I had the unpleasant experience up in Scotland - called over to the booth jumped in no problems... chilling out with the management with Tijs' CD wallet in my face... heaven... then the tapping started. One by one, random scottish gimps (sorry sane scottish people!) started attacked me and my friend cos we could "help get a pic mate".

I'm now in Slovakia, where we're happy if 20 people show up... never mind want to take pics.
I've stood with Andrew K and Kasey Taylor, and soon Luke Fair in a VIP booth built for max. 10 people... had a great time. Although that might have something to do with the 40-60% proof Austrian cheap liquer the club owner has on tap for his international guests

Tiesto14 is spot on... the atmosphere at intimate prog nights where the DJ totally brings his shit.. its far better than seeing/hearing 10'000 fans spit out their dummies and wave their arms about to Adagio (again).

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Hehehe I can never make the complete switch like you did. Its taken 3 extra years to get the hell off the shittest forum on the planet. You know my commitments man.. and it would be a damn shame to leave them

WOW WOW...u mean to tell me u dont go to tiesto forums anymore??/??

I am very proud of you man

It took a while for me too to give up on Tiesto (if thats what u mean)...i kept holding on..ask Konijn...but each set got more predictable and mundane that i had to let go...

Tiesto was a good part of my life (98-03) but i honestly could not stand to listen again.....i dont even remember the last set i heard.

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Originally posted by Push2005 You can't seriously mean that all of these tracks are cheese.

90% of them are cheese.

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Well Tiesto WINS at least one point here.. He first played it on 05-JUNE-2005 - and Konijn was there in attendance so he can vouch for that one

Wow kudos to him, but that is one very small point lol...he has a ways to go to make up for his deficit


The difference also being that lawler dropped the track in the middle of a set laden with dark and dirty prog house tunes, so it fit perfect. I doubt Tiesto did the same

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! wave their arms about to Adagio (again).

LMAO LOL...AGAIN!!..LOL


When i was backstage at Stephane K one night at Crobar this kid kept begging me to tell Stephane K to play Red Carpet - Allright...LOL>..i kept telling him that Stephane would never play such a track and that i would be embarrassed to even ask...lol

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Originally posted by Clovis86 Wow kudos to him, but that is one very small point lol...he has a ways to go to make up for his deficit The difference also being that lawler dropped the track in the middle of a set laden with dark and dirty prog house tunes, so it fit perfect. I doubt Tiesto did the same

ahhh fcukit! (-5pts)

09 Matthew Dekay vs. Proluctors � Bad
10 Ti�sto � Traffic
11 Jose Zamora & Damian DP � Transatlantic (Andy Moor Remix)
12 Criss Source � Hugs & Kisses
13 Gabriel & Dresden � Arcadia (ISOS Edit)
14 Steve May � Blend Forty 3 (Luke Chable & Steve May Remix)


I bet Lawler slipped in shitloads of Andy Moor too didnt he

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! ahhh fcukit! (-5pts) 09 Matthew Dekay vs. Proluctors � Bad 10 Ti�sto � Traffic 11 Jose Zamora & Damian DP � Transatlantic (Andy Moor Remix) 12 Criss Source � Hugs & Kisses 13 Gabriel & Dresden � Arcadia (ISOS Edit) 14 Steve May � Blend Forty 3 (Luke Chable & Steve May Remix) I bet Lawler slipped in shitloads of Andy Moor too didnt he

Yeah sorry mate, lol. Lawler's set was so dark that night it was pretty scary It made Hugs N' Kisses sound like a happy uplifting track...

well i went to his concert in LA and i had a great fucking time. his mixing is not perfect, but his track selection is good. he didnt even play one of his own songs on new years until like hour 2. anyways, there are more things to being a good dj than beatmatching...

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Originally posted by ivanbee well i went to his concert in LA and i had a great fucking time. his mixing is not perfect, but his track selection is good. he didnt even play one of his own songs on new years until like hour 2. anyways, there are more things to being a good dj than beatmatching...

Well I watched that show from the side, and I thought it was one of the worst DJ sets I had ever heard. What was supposed to be "6 hours extended set" was tijs pulling off maybe 3 good transitions, 4 horrible ones, and then a 15 minute break after every 45 minutes of straight DJing. The track selection was all right, but I didnt hear anything really interesting, mostly the normal shit, although he did play The Drill - The Drill, but thats nothing exciting really.

The production was cool, and the atmosphere was crazy, but it was really mostly hype. Also the number of EDM n00bs rolling off their face and just eating up any of the shit he spun was disconcerting to say the least...

we need one general sticky for all the wanking on TA

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Originally posted by tiesto14 i find it is better with lesser known DJs...i am tired of being packed into a club with a bunch of kiddies yelling and screaming and hissing at their fav DJ or throwing vynils at them to spin or sign...not too mention no room to dance...

this man speaks the truth, listen to him


For me:
Tiesto = POSER that is just in for money ... "In search of sunrise", lol, how retarded and commercial and money driven this has become ... they are not in search of sunrise, they are in search for the pocketmoney of the freckin' chavs who buy the crap!
And Tiesto's overhyped! YAY! Freckin' overhyped! I hate overhyped people. What he has done in the past does NOT CLASSIFY ANYTHING he's doing now!

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Originally posted by RTP What he has done in the past does NOT CLASSIFY ANYTHING he's doing now!

BINGO!!

Well said!!

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Originally posted by Clovis86 I wanted to add that this is the best Tiesto thread I've seen on here in awhile. lol Cheers to all parties.

I can't believe I missed this thread! I was right beside Chris (MichaelBoogerd) for years in the forums, and now to read the first intelligent Ti�sto thread I've ever seen on TA... This is awesome

Tiesto just does not have the passion anymore. Hell I've seen him twice and Lawler twice and the biggest difference besides the music genre is that you always see Lawler checking the soundsystem, drinking beers at the bar with clubbers and playing till they eventually kick his ass off. Lawler is passionate and Tiesto has lost that, I do remember that Tiesto's 2001 Oct set was one of the greatest that I've ever been to.

Tiesto just does'nt have that passion but he's not alone, throw Armin, PvD, Ferry among others into that group. That's what is wrong with music today, producers don't have passion, the old music may not have been the greatest production wise but they threw all they had into it.

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