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I would say that science and religion concern themselves with different questions. To oversimplify: science deals with the "how" and religion with the "why". I would say that religion is a subset of philosophy that does not intersect with science (as philosophy itself does).

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Originally posted by occrider No I don't mind. You felt like you had some kind of provision to your argument because you claimed that you were "realllly drunk", if you're fine with the fact that you're really drunk than why do you need that caveat? Well, regardless of your caveat, I'll respond to your argument as if you were sober ... Umm well one need need to concern faith at all when we're dealing with facts. I don't know what kind of facts you deal with on a day to day basis but I tend to treat facts as ... factual. Haha what? Faith has offered NO EXPLANATION for how something has come from nothing. Yet it's tragically humorous how you attempt to slander science with the glib notion that faith in any way maintains a superior stance at the expense of logic. In all curiousness, can you logically argue your stance?

whoa...you read a lot into my statements and didn't do a very good job

i said i was drunk because in my initial post i said the exact opposite of what I meant and had to correct it.

you restated my point in your second paragraph, i was saying that one does not need to have faith when there are facts so it's hard to call science a religion.

i did not say that religion offers an explanation for our existence, only that science does not, currently, and so some degree of faith is needed to believe some of the current scientific theories...

It was a drunk post occ. Its all love.

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie The whole "if 99% of the world believes in a supernatural being, then how can it be wrong?" question has always weighed in on my mind.

while i don't think the percentage is that high, i think that's just about the worst defense of religion people use. since when is the majority opinion the correct one by default? if anything, the majority is less educated...so how does that fit into that argument?

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Originally posted by Floorfiller while i don't think the percentage is that high, i think that's just about the worst defense of religion people use. since when is the majority opinion the correct one by default? if anything, the majority is less educated...so how does that fit into that argument?

Mark Twain has a great quote, "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect."

I was brought up being told i could belive whatever i wanted to. my dad was brought up apiscapalian, my mom: baptist, now tehy are both agnostic. I am atheist. i see no proof, and no point. but do what you want as long as it dosnt hurt anybody to bad, or kill.

People may believe whatever they want, as long as they don't force that bullshit on me.

nobody knows for sure what the purpose of life is or what happens when you die. that's why i just live my life the best way i can and don't worry about it.

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie The whole "if 99% of the world believes in a supernatural being, then how can it be wrong?" question has always weighed in on my mind.

Well then it is statistically confirmed: 99% of the worlds population are idiots.


Statistically 99% of the world puts faith in the facts, but those facts are not physical evidence because those facts have no proof. So you need faith to make you believe in whatever you believe in. Science tells us some facts, but not all the facts, and the fact remains that religions is lacking facts, but it has substantial proof that 99% of the population has faith. The universe, in its almighty infinite size, has power over faith & can be divided by insecurity and multiplied by the facts. This mathematical equation looks something like this:

U(FxP)/I = X

Now if "X" is greater than 1, then the facts speak louder than the faith. If "X" is lower that 1, then religion out ways proof but insecurity becomes universally secure. If X is equal to 0, then religion and science are exactly the same & the universe will implode and suck us all into unspace and then sit us all down a large battle arena where 'God' and 'Mother Nature' will fight with axes to the death.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 science is the new religion.

If this was true, I would be a devoted follower.

I H8 CHRISTIANITY, WOT FUCKIN MORANS WHO BELEEVES IN A BIG INVIZIBUL GUY WHO LIVES IN THE SKY I THINK ITS A BUNCH OF BULSHIT ND ATOM ND EEV R DUM WHO WUD EVR BELEEVE THAT THE BIBUL IZ A BUNCH OF KIDZ STOREEZ ALL RELIJIN IS BAD IT MAYKZ PEEPL DO STOOPID STUFF LYK VOTE 4 BUSCH


GO LUCYFUR

Religion is the source of wars, murder (look at the anti-Denmark protests), fanaticism, and diseases (e.g. just look at the attempts to block the sale of contraceptives in pharmacies in the US).

BTW, don't you find it funny that psychologists treat delusional and mentally ill patients, but when a truck driver has a "Real men love Jesus" sticker, that's considered perfectly normal and sane? The difference between faith and mental illness is actually not that big.

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Originally posted by Kaidreas If this was true, I would be a devoted follower.

I am.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd Religion is the source of wars, murder (look at the anti-Denmark protests), fanaticism, and diseases (e.g. just look at the attempts to block the sale of contraceptives in pharmacies in the US). BTW, don't you find it funny that psychologists treat delusional and mentally ill patients, but when a truck driver has a "Real men love Jesus" sticker, that's considered perfectly normal and sane? The difference between faith and mental illness is actually not that big.

Oh, just go ahead and totally deny all the good things religions have done for the world. It's okay, these morons won't notice. You're just preaching to the very, very ignorant choir.

What stuns me around here, and in the American public in general, if you forgive the generalisation, is that the whole sphere of religion is increasingly being equated to a blind faith in a supreme creator that dictates morals and provides answers to all of life's questions. I would have hoped that such fundamentalism was left behind in the dark ages and was slowly fading away. Why can't religion be seen as a way of asking purely non scientific, philosophical questions, rather than a system that provides answers.
Once the religious right gets its head out of its ass or gets completely alienated by the mainstream (rather than embraced by it as seems to be the case in the US) people can see the positive side of religion and spirituality. Religion in it's pure sense should have nothing directly to do with politics or science.

wow that's greener than grass my friend

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Here's a quote from Above & Beyond - Clubbing (01-01-05) whereby he sums it all up:



I think religion can be good for education......But when you grow up, you got to get rid of it

all religion is a load of bs to think that one so called god rules the universe bollox who made him??
americians hahahahahaha they are worse than the people they are murdering in the middle east all because bush gives out all this bs that god blesses him, then why did he execute 911 because it sure as hell wasnt osama bin ladens gang of psychos that carries it out with military precision
all religion is, is a tool to keep the fearfull fearfull, ancient believes in a modern world it just doesnt mix being from north belfast i have first hand of what religion does to people
in my opinion if you believe in a higher being your fool the only thing you can count on in life is death and taxes
but forgive me ramblin on im fooking stoned

Im a Christian and fail to see how I am less educated or labeled a moron because I have faith in something? I dont mind people that practice other religions or are even atheists but it bugs me when all those that have faith are labeled as unintellictual.

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Originally posted by weymouth Im a Christian and fail to see how I am less educated or labeled a moron because I have faith in something? I dont mind people that practice other religions or are even atheists but it bugs me when all those that have faith are labeled as unintellictual.

to be religious is not to be uneducated, to have blind faith in something proven to be wrong by science (apart from is their a heaven and hell or a god) the world was created in seven days lol, adam just magically appeared in the garden of of life how about evoloution
its just hard for me to listin to preachers trying to froce their opinions down peoples mouths telkling some one that if they dont believe in got that you will spend your eternal afterlife with some mad ****** with red skin big muscles and horns sticking outa his head raming instruments of pain up your arse, bullshit to that lol

If religion is taken so seriously by some nut-jobs out there and thats including ALL religions then i think this quote from Einstein will make sense:

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

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Originally posted by Psygnosis If religion is taken so seriously by some nut-jobs out there and thats including ALL religions then i think this quote from Einstein will make sense: "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

the way things are shapeing up in the middle east that will end up the way of things

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Originally posted by seval the way things are shapeing up in the middle east that will end up the way of things

No use just blaming it on the Middle East as a whole. Each country has it's own level of nut jobs.

Those religiously fanatic types are always the ones causing the troubles, but the ones that are religious but cope with everything in a neutral way are always branded because of every other nut-jobs anger.

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Originally posted by Psygnosis No use just blaming it on the Middle East as a whole. Each country has it's own level of nut jobs. Those religiously fanatic types are always the ones causing the troubles, but the ones that are religious but cope with everything in a neutral way are always branded because of every other nut-jobs anger.

i never said it was solely the middle east i said how things were shaping up in the middle east ie amarica now threatining to atack iran and isreal in political crisis trust me my uncle is serving in iraq i fully understand the political situation and the nations involved
and on a personal note id just like to say that the american government is the sole creator of the current mess we are in including 911

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