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Originally posted by Shafer8 so Abelton is basically the same thing as Serato and if not what is the differnce? thanks

In addition to what Robert said, Serato has that DJ Feel because you use actual CDs or Vinyl. Ableton is just a computer software with no real DJ feel to it, and it uses a different approach to DJing. Ableton is also a powerful production too. To be able to do a set with Ableton, you need lots of preparation because you have to get your tracks organized way ahead of time. With Serato, it's just like using your normal set up. With serato you can keep mixing in and out of normal CDs/Vinyl and Serato. You can't do that with Ableton. Go ahead and download the free Ableton demo and give it a try.

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Originally posted by liquiddawn WHY DID PVD STOP USING FINAL SCRATCH and why is he now using SERATO instead??? I'm really curious why he made the switch anywaone know??

Final Scratch 1.0 had so many glitches. It crashed, skipped, sounded like shit. When cueing records it sounded too electronic. You couldn't really SCRATCH either. It was a piece of shit software. I have it, and I stopped using it cuz it kept making me look bad.

Serato is STABLE, vinyl emulation is AMAZING. Serato is becoming the norm for computer mixing all over the west coast. Almost everywhere I go no, I see a Serato set up. Which is good, cuz you just show up with your laptop and BAM! You're set. I see this everywhere from small bars all the way to Avalon!

Woody thank for the information as well as Kristina, you both have sold me on the fact that i need to get rid of the old and get with the new. even though i won't play at a club or do not plan on becomming a DJ I feel I could have alot of fun with this.

Is Serato easy to use once set up and how long before you acutally feel comfortable with it?

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Originally posted by Shafer8 Is Serato easy to use once set up and how long before you acutally feel comfortable with it?

It's a piece of cake. Once hooked up, it works just like any other vinyl. You'll get it in one minute.

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It's a piece of cake. Once hooked up, it works just like any other vinyl. You'll get it in one minute.

Mucho gracia appreciated much so!

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Originally posted by DjWoody It's a piece of cake. Once hooked up, it works just like any other vinyl. You'll get it in one minute.

I can testify to that, never played on serato before...in about 3 minutes over at woodys, was able to mix as good if not better than on normal cdjs! This program is a must for sure!

Serato and Final Sctratch are just made for people who secretly wanna use Ableton but either:

1. Are too dumb to figure it out.
2. Are scared.

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Originally posted by Clovis86 Serato and Final Sctratch are just made for people who secretly wanna use Ableton but either: 1. Are too dumb to figure it out. 2. Are scared.

3. too cheap to buy vinyl

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Originally posted by ivanbee 3. too cheap to buy vinyl

+1 lol

ivan has spoken! Again.

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Originally posted by DjWoody This is my set up at home. The top set up is my Serato Setup. My bottom set up is my Ableton Live Setup.

1. thats a fucking nice setup dood!
2. your speakers look like they are gonna fall on your cdj's lol

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Originally posted by Junior Chavez +1 lol ivan has spoken! Again.

haha. srsly though...it's kinda funny how the oldest way to dj is the most expensive...

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Serato and Final Sctratch are just made for people who secretly wanna use Ableton but either:

Maybe you should start a Ableton school and teach all of us dumb scared people.

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Originally posted by Shafer8 Maybe you should start a Ableton school and teach all of us dumb scared people.

I dont understand how you guys cant figure it out...I did...and I'm half retarded

Dude that wasn't a joke, Like for example take me, I am going to buy Serato but I would pay someone lets say $100 or more to teach me exactly how to use it properly and find out all the functions instead of fucking aorund with it.

Knowledge is worth money and since this is the future maybe you should start as everyone needs help with things like this.


Perfect example the Geek Squad, these people make millions going to peoples house and teahcing their clients what to do and such.


As far as matching beat s and mixing that needs to self taught pretty much but as far as learing a complex compture program and all the back end of it, that can taught.

I'll teach you how to use Serato!

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Originally posted by RobertStern Here is the thing. Serato lets you access your digital music files (mp3,wav, etc.)

But its been said that Vinyl would be giving the best quality because when you have tracks encoded into mp3/wav it sounds like crap compare to vinyl right???


btw very intersting thread

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Originally posted by DeRangedMind But its been said that Vinyl would be giving the best quality because when you have tracks encoded into mp3/wav it sounds like crap compare to vinyl right??? btw very intersting thread

Only if your source is analog then vinyl will sound best, if your source is digital, wav will sound as good if not better than vinyl.

320k mp3 sounds great as well

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Originally posted by DjWoody I'll teach you how to use Serato!

screw serato woody!

i'll teach you guys how to accidently snap a vinyl in half at a small orange county venue named the STEP.

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I'll teach you how to use Serato!

I'll call you as soon as i buy it, should be next week and certainly kick you down for the time and lessons. In my eyes its better to be taught form someone that knows rather then get frustrated trying to figure shit out and having a kaniption fit.

Also someone told me this week end that Abelton beat matches for you so all you have do is really mix. Is this true as the source was pretty reliable?

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Originally posted by Shafer8 Also someone told me this week end that Abelton beat matches for you so all you have do is really mix. Is this true as the source was pretty reliable?

lol..."source"

Ableton is a sequencing program, IE, it will play any clip you have in time to anything else playing, providing that clip has been warped using markers that you set manually. The markers tell Ableton how to play the clip so that it will be matched up.

Baisically, its like mix meister, you line up the markers on the beats as precisely as possible, but once you have warped the track and set all the markers, it saves them...so baisically, you beat match once and then save it forever and never have to match it again.


It doesnt do anything for you at all. The auto-warp function is pretty much useless and is not suitable for warping long samples or whole tracks.

I see your point about teaching people, but in all honesty, I know how Ableton works to a certain extent, but I am no expert. I know how to mix with it, and how to do some advanced stuff of the same type that Sasha/Zabs other ableton DJ's are doing...but I'm not Richie Hawtin.

I'll be buying a controller soon which will give me a whole range of new capabilities in Ableton which I cant wait to start using.

You guys should read the ableton.com forums and the TA DJ Booth forum for more info on all these matters...in fact there is talk of making an Ableton sticky in the DJ forum for all the n00bs who keep asking the same questions every week

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lol..."source"

Yup that what he said and he also said that if chosen that it automatically beat matches for you the second you srop the track in. I really dont care but simply are just telling you gusy what was told to me.

I would beilve it why not?

it's not really that easy. but, yea, what clov said. you should check out the other parts of the site.

So it is Serato Scratch Live correct which is what you have Woody? And is that the best product out there from Serato?

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Originally posted by Shafer8 So it is Serato Scratch Live correct which is what you have Woody? And is that the best product out there from Serato?

Yes! This is their website. www.ScratchLive.net

I have been using Ableton for about 8 months and i have learned alot and can get around the program pretty good. I would be glad to answer any questions about Ableton. I use a Dell computer, m-audio controller and firewire audiophile soundcard.

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