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Originally posted by xabistg I will burn the spanish flag, of course

In your case, we're talking about the Basque one

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Originally posted by Lira In your case, we're talking about the Basque one

The ikurri�a NEVER

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Originally posted by blazed it if i'm not hurting anything (it's a piece of cloth!)I dont' see why not....

you have no sense of symbolism now do you ?

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie Im particularly concerned about the American flag, but feel free to respond either way. Do you think there is something that an administration could do or not do that would make you angry enough to want to burn a flag in protest? Why? What would that be? My personal opinion is that the right to burn the American flag is one of our greatest freedoms, and yes there have been times when I think it would be appropriate. The first being when we went to war in Iraq and the second being when Bush got reelected.

I am all for freedeom of speech. But burning the American or any other country's flag because you disagree with what one politican such as Bush did or his being re-elected is plain dumb. Disrepecting the country you live in by burning its flag based on the actions of one person or your disappointment in the results of an election makes no sense and does not result in any change in the election results or policies that you disagree with.

Many people died in order to raise that flag you wish to burn and in order to keep it raised. Think about them and the great disrespect you are doing them, their efforts, their families, their loss, and their memory, and not Bush when you consider burning the flag. Do you really think the American flag represents Bush or he the flag? The only flag he works under is the Saudi flag, or maybe a new flag of the $100.00 bill.

Your efforts and energy are better put to use by getting out there and informing people why they should disagree with the policies and decisions you take issue with. By adequately informing people what certain politicians truly stand for before elections take place you may be able to avoid the type of results you complain of and which we all have had to live with in the US for the past 6 years. By burning the flag you accomplish nothing and just give Bush & company ammo to say you are anti-American, extremists, etc., eventhough you may not be and have legitimate concerns. Yet right now there are islamic extremists burning the American flag all over the middle east, wishing death upon all Americans. This example makes it clear that burning the flag is hardly a form of constructive criticism, and more like a showing of total and complete hatred towards the country and its people. Hating an election result or a policy decision should never make anyone hate this country we live in and/or its people, which is what the flag represents.

Just my opinion.

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Originally posted by av1 Many people died in order to raise that flag you wish to burn and in order to keep it raised. Think about them and the great disrespect you are doing them, their efforts, their families, their loss, and their memory, and not Bush when you consider burning the flag. Do you really think the American flag represents Bush or he the flag? The only flag he works under is the Saudi flag, or maybe a new flag of the $100.00 bill.

Right, see maybe that should be the question. What does your flag represent to you? For me its not the people that have fought and died for the country, its the reason that they had to go fight and die. I look at the flag a representation of the country as a whole, and if my country isnt moving foward in the direction that I would expect it to, I blame those in charge. In this case the Bush administration. Dont get me wrong, theres a lot more besides the war that Im thinking of. But if an administration ever did something that was worth that kind of protest, I would have no problem sitting outside 1600 Penn Ave and burning a flag. Its an incredible right, to be able to do soemthing like that, and it says "we've had enough," not, "we want to disrespect the country."

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie Its an incredible right, to be able to do soemthing like that, and it says "we've had enough," not, "we want to disrespect the country."

The problem is that perception is everything, and people burning a flag are not perceived as sending a positive message. Irrespective of what the position truly is it only weakens their position and gives Bush & company or whoever your beef is with an easy avenue to get away from the real issues and just attack the form of the message (flag burning) instaed of the substance of the message (disagreement with his policies and people voting for him). You have heard the saying form over substance right. Politicians love it when you make it easy on them to avoid the true issues by creating another one which they may have a better angle on. For instance by burning the flag to show unhappiness with Bush and his war policies you alienate a lot of people that may not agree with Bush's war policies at all (including many members of the armed forces past and present), and then that shifts the debate from one issue that Bush cannot win on (the war) to one he can win on (flag burning).

If as you state the message is "we have had enough," say it, write it, discuss it, debate it, tell people why in detail, and for God's sake go out and use the truly most important right any American and/or person living in any democratic society has and VOTE against those which you take issue with. You can all burn flags until you die, but without exercising the right to vote it all means nothing at all.

I could burn my flag, but I have never wished to.

Would never do it. Hate those that do, but respect their right to do so.

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie ...burn a flag... ?

Or eat it like Zoidberg did in Futurama.

I think there is a law agianst burning United States flag in America.

I'm against nationalism and most forms of patriotism. I think most such convictions are premised on the idea that you are better than another because you were born in a particular geographical location. I think this feeling of superiority encourages mob mentality, divisiveness, cultural and intellectual insularism and discourages independant thought and criticism of the government... all of which furthermore leads to crappy foreign relations.

In other words everything that was wrong with Nazi Germany, a lot of what was wrong with the Soviet Union (and continues to be wrong with Russia) and other dictatorships... and many of the things that are wrong with the US.

Hence symbols of nationalism annoy me somewhat. If I had a reason I would have no qualms about burning a national symbol. If someone other than the government chooses to take offence at it, taking that interpretation of my act is their choice. The offensive meaning is given to the act by them not me, so it's their problem.

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Originally posted by Orbital32 I personally belive that it should be a felony. Regardless of if you agree with an administartion or not, when you burn a flag, you deface every single american.

believe what you like but I believe thats a bit of a far fetched of a opinion. I don't mean anything offensive towards the American people by burning a flag. If they get offended because they fail to realize my reasoning for doing so, thats their own deal. A statement like that is a statement directed toward the people running your state or country, whom I sometimes feel deserve that shame. So I guess in all honesty, yes, I could burn a flag.

I couldn't care less about a fucking sheet of paper/tissue/whatever. I can't think of any reasons why I'd want to burn it on my own, but if anyone gave me 5� for it.. hell yeah.

What's the fucking problem?

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Originally posted by Spartan wow, this poll disgusts me. i've got a giant american flag in my room, it takes up the entire one side of my wall. It was my grandfathers flag when he was a boy and its been passed down. burning a flag is dishonoring to every soldier who's ever fought or died for the country. whoever does it or supports it does not understand the gravity of it, and is ignorant.

No it doesn't. It's symbolism, I am not entirely endeared to a symbol, and I am on the whole not succeptable to symbolism (pardoning items with sentimental value).

I can burn a flag and still respect the soldiers who died for the country; my respect for them is not contained within a flag. Nor do I believe in "pledging alliegence" to any flag.

To be honest, I think Americas full of shit. I wouldn't have any problem burning the Amercian flag. In fact, it would probably be first on my list. Americans are usually so full of themselves, and think their country is the shit when it's not really anything to be proud of.

Nope.

I see no reason to burn the flag in protest.
People have spent too much to create the soceity and feats that the flag represents to burn what the flag stands for.

ahh, lovely spambots. I never knew jessica simpson had her own penis

It would be pretty hard for me to burn the Scottish flag. I could, but don't want to. So that's a yes then?

No.

NO NO NO NO NEVER. IF YOU SAID YES TO THIS POLL I THINK YOU R MENTALLY ILL!!!!!!!!!You should also be investigated for being a terroist!


LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER!!!!!!!!

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