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I think you guys could take a hint from the people that have been posting in here.

How many different people have actually posted in this thread? Isnt that an indication as to how many TAs (EDM addicts and more devoted than most) like techno? I mean, if only a handful of TAs are posting saying they loooove Techno, erm, seems like a decent representative sample to me. Take into consideration the average joes that go to club on friday/saturday nights prolly have 90% less knowledge than we do about the music, and chances are less of a taste for a genre like techno, which for ME anyways is an aquired taste, I aquired it, then sadly lost it.

I think thats the story for a lot of TAs anyway, but I could just be blowing hot air.

Truly, I respect Kate's and Skipper's love for Techno, but for you of all people (dedicated addicts) does it come as this much of a suprise that a club like Aria is limiting it's Techno nights? Mauro was a success yes, but he's Mauro Picotto. I was there, and enjoyed it and I dislike techno hehehe.

To be honest, someone's gonna have to revive Montreal's techno craving, Preach would be the first one to come to mind as he is a VERY talented DJ and is clearly passionate about his music and his fans, me thinks in a year or two Preach will be exponentialy more famous and will be able to spark people from his (not quite home town but ya)'s interest in techno again, people will all be like. "Hey man, that preach guy is from Montreal, techno rocks" or whatever people say these days, and suddenly, bam techno everywhere. ahahaha, or at least that's my crazy prediction of the evening.

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Originally posted by Lopitrance does it come as this much of a suprise that a club like Aria is limiting it's Techno nights?

It's not a surprise at all that Aria has significantly reduced their techno bookings, they have for all genres anyway... but this isn't even just headliners, it's residents as well. This may be due to other circumstances so I'm not suggesting Aria is to blame, but it's still a factor in why I started this thread... there isn't even any kind of regular techno night now, expensive headliner or not.
We were a bit spoiled with Mateo, Yaz, Preach and Marco as Friday residents, I used to go often on those nights. I'm equally disappointed not to have that option anymore either.

Does Yaz DJ anymore, really?
and Preach has moved away...
Mini was playing Aria for awhile
Maus has been known to be techy but not predominantly so...

Maybe this means there is a new opportunity for up and comers to start blending techno with other genres, to bridge the gap a bit and bring techno back to the big clubs, inch by inch? because this is what non-techno headliners are doing...they are crossing genres all over the place. Maybe that's what the key success factor is for a new resident?

I think a lot of the friday residents do already cross genres to a point.... and it's not like you will never hear anything techy.. but it wouldn't generally be enough to be considered a techno fix for me anyway.

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Originally posted by Kate Manus I would even consider a small party in Ottawa these days. I have a few ideas though, I'll just have to see if anything can come together.

Steve Rachmad?

pretty please

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Originally posted by Kate Manus I think a lot of the friday residents do already cross genres to a point.... and it's not like you will never hear anything techy.. but it wouldn't generally be enough to be considered a techno fix for me anyway.

so... what would?
From others I hear there are plenty of techno beats in Mtl, it's just not coming from DJ mag's top 100 chart, and it's not strictly hard european techno. I guess that is, strictly, what you're referring to?

Yaz spins at Circus although I'm not sure his style now, haven't done a Circus Friday for awhile now. I prefer Aria on Fridays

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Originally posted by ninjahola Steve Rachmad? pretty please

not really doable this time unfortunately - but he will be playing NYC on April 22.. I am seriously considering the roadtrip for this.

Mcb001982: you should check it out - at the Avalon apparently!

First of all!
Malek you are wrong! Tobaco companies are not allowed to sponsor anybody in the province of Qu�bec. Second, there will be no more sells of cigarettes in any clubs in the province after May 31st so this is totally different than Toronto or Ottawa. So if a club was getting $200K/year from a tobaco company, that was representing a shit load of bookings. Now, you will see only 20-30% of out of town dj's compared to the previous years.


Now, Kate Manus!
Aria did everything for techno in this city. More than everybody else in this country. We spent millions of dollars on techno dj's and you know what? We never made any money out of a techno dj.
We tried all the techno promoters in town, spent a shit load of money on promotion (magazine, newspaper, flyers, posters, e-mails, web-site, radio, fucking everything) and people were not coming. The days of techno in Montreal are over and since a long time. The Laurent Garnier booking at Parking is really funny to me (do you seriously think that these people really like Laurent and will go for him???).
514 tried to book Laurent a while back and they canceled him because they sold only 8 tickets 1 day before the show. I was thinking that I would do better with him but I had barely 200 people for him. At 8000$usd + hotel rooms, work permit, restaurant,local transportation, the rental of equipement and a special sound tech to fix all this equipement. Also you have to put more promotion so there is extra money on the promo!! Now, only now I realize how I was stupid to give so much of my money to all these dj's. These people are only dj's and they are playing vinyls or cd's. They are not Metallica, Madona or George Benson! Some of these dj's are playing for 1 or 2 years only and get more money a year than doctors (do you seriously think this is normal). I don't want to approve this anymore. For sure I will make some exceptions for dj's that are more than dj's to me and are friends. On top of that, Aria tried everything even out of Aria. Carl Cox at 1234 was a total disaster financially with only 600 people. Rush was not good for Martin at Club Soda, now what do you want more??? The young people do not listen house, techno or d&b, they listen hip-hop music. Get over it, techno is over here. Even in Europe, it's far to be as big as before (I know Preach try to convince himself but...). Chris Liebing is slowing down (bpm), and many techno dj's are going to the minimal, electro side. Even Loco told me last week-end that hard techno was far, far to be as popular as before in Germany. And if there is a country where people used to like techno, it was Germany.

It's the same for trance, when the agent of Armin contact us and ask us for $25Kusd, what this agent think??? He thoink that Armin can bring 2000 people in Montreal? Barely 700-800 people in mtl for Armin.

And btw, it's the same in Quebec city. In Toronto, I don't know the numbers and I will not tell you that I know.

P.S. Kate, most of the dj's you like are even not good (most of them played Aria and locals were better). I will not drop names here, but the list is very long, they are very average for the big money.

P.S.2. You need to know also that here in Canada, there is a tax of 15% federal and 9% provincial on top of all the dj's cost (this is a tax that the dj should pay normally but they don't want to pay for it so clubs need to pay). Actually Aria and Dagobert are the only two clubs in the Canada who paid these taxs. These taxs represent many hundred of thousands of $, and when revenu Canada will go for the other clubs, trust me alot of them will close (when they ask you the money of the 5 last years, this will represent the bankrupt of many).


I will still book some dedicated dj's that are nice, cool and friendly that are not charging a fortune just for a fake popularity.
You can count DJ Dan, Loco Dice, Ferry Corsten and some other nice guys.

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Originally posted by Biggy So if a club was getting $200K/year from a tobaco company, that was representing a shit load of bookings. Now, you will see only 20-30% of out of town dj's compared to the previous years.

does that mean after may 31st the advanced series at aria will be affected?

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Now, only now I realize how I was stupid to give so much of my money to all these dj's. These people are only dj's and they are playing vinyls or cd's. They are not Metallica, Madona or George Benson! Some of these dj's are playing for 1 or 2 years only and get more money a year than doctors (do you seriously think this is normal). I don't want to approve this anymore.

This i agree with completetly. DJ are fuckin overpaid. But its their market worth. But it really sucks...spinning records and getting paid like 5 g's an hour.

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Carl Cox at 1234 was a total disaster financially with only 600 people.

Wow i thought that night was PACKEED and thought it was a success for sure.

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I will still book some dedicated dj's that are nice, cool and friendly that are not charging a fortune just for a fake popularity. You can count DJ Dan, Loco Dice, Ferry Corsten and some other nice guys.

By any chance, is mauro picotto one of those? i heard that mauro charges $8000 USD which is a way less than armin or tiesto.

There is a lot of truth to what biggy is saying about the taxes. I've seen it happen. Fucked up shit. sucks for our scene.

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Originally posted by Biggy P.S. Kate, most of the dj's you like are even not good (most of them played Aria and locals were better). I will not drop names here, but the list is very long, they are very average for the big money.

That's quite an assumption on your part... for the record, you have never booked many of my favourite techno djs so don't even go there.

I was really hoping to see a reply from you in this thread saying something to the effect of "yes it's true there isn't that much techno at Aria anymore, but wait until you hear who we have coming in May... or... Liebing will be back.. or something" instead.. you've just confirmed why I started this thread in the first place.

Thanks for the memories. R.I.P!

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Originally posted by Biggy Even in Europe, it's far to be as big as before (I know Preach try to convince himself but...). Chris Liebing is slowing down (bpm), and many techno dj's are going to the minimal, electro side. Even Loco told me last week-end that hard techno was far, far to be as popular as before in Germany. And if there is a country where people used to like techno, it was Germany.

Not surprised to hear him say that at all. Techno, specifically minimal techno, tech house and "progressive techno" is everywhere in Germany, even in clothing stores and other public places! It is much more common and accepted there.

As much as I miss the techno bookings at aria, I'm definitely grateful for the bookings you did have JF.

"I will still book some dedicated dj's that are nice, cool and friendly that are not charging a fortune just for a fake popularity."


*Respect!*

I would still like to see Sven Vath @ Aria even though he is overpaid and overrated

while direct sponsoring of events by tobacco companies are illegal in quebec, clubs recieved good amount of cash for letting those sexy golden girls sell tobacco, you say 200k$ for your club, not bad

After the 31st, you may be right. I'll call l'Ouvernement du Quebec and ask some questions

But isn't there alcohol companies that are willing to take the tab where tobacco companies will leave it?

I'm sure that there's a possibility of doing some techno shows...

like Alex Bau for example was a very good night, and with the amazing set he did (means more fans) + the fact that he is such a nice guy and don't charge that much, that's the kind of night that is affordable and possible.

Rush @ Club Soda was not a financial success simply because the set-up of it all was too much $ and too early in the winter. RUsh himself was an awesome guy and would be back for a very decent amount of money.

But if you come to Montreal asking for 4,000 euro, + airplane, with the exchange rate... and your name is not Chris liebing...It's really tough to pull it off.

ouf this is all scary
me needs to move quickly
not for techno obviously
but for overrated people like Sven Vath


its actually sad to hear Biggy say that they ONLY push vinyls when they make the whole night

the rest im almost all agreeing with
especially techno... it doesnt work
we dont have big events as in europe and as he said its not that hard, its much more turned to electro or trance

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Originally posted by Ravemontreal I'm sure that there's a possibility of doing some techno shows... like Alex Bau for example was a very good night, and with the amazing set he did (means more fans) + the fact that he is such a nice guy and don't charge that much, that's the kind of night that is affordable and possible.

exactly!

And hopefully a few more bookings of that nature will happen this year in Montreal, venue to be determined I guess.

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Originally posted by Biggy First of all! Malek you are wrong! Tobaco companies are not allowed to sponsor anybody in the province of Qu�bec. Second, there will be no more sells of cigarettes in any clubs in the province after May 31st so this is totally different than Toronto or Ottawa. So if a club was getting $200K/year from a tobaco company, that was representing a shit load of bookings. Now, you will see only 20-30% of out of town dj's compared to the previous years. I will still book some dedicated dj's that are nice, cool and friendly that are not charging a fortune just for a fake popularity. You can count DJ Dan, Loco Dice, Ferry Corsten and some other nice guys.

So are you saying we can no longer expect quality booking like Mauro/Junkie, Christopher Lawrence, Markus Schulz, etc. after May 31st?

Cuz that's seriously dissapointing, and makes me wanna leave Montreal.

I also find it really sad you've given up your faith in the youth of today listening to EDM...I mean it's obvious most of them like hip hop these days, but it's just a fucking shame. Hip hop is such garbage, it disgusts me how in our market, it makes so much more money than house does.

Fuck North America! With our love for EDM, we were all born on the wrong continent.

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Originally posted by LiGHT78 I also find it really sad you've given up your faith in the youth of today listening to EDM...

more of being tired of throwing money out of our windows...

Mekroon, maybe you are too young (this is far to be a insult).
But clubbing is not about dj's but about fun. A club is a place to meet friends, forget your week of work, relax, go crazy, dance, listen music, date a girl or a guy. If you want to see a concert, go to a show. A good dj will always help to pass a memorable night and I believe that if you pay 50$ to go in a club, it's no more a club night but a concert. I dropped the price at Aria even when there is out of town dj's just to try to keep the essence of clubbing and bring people who want to have fun.

As for hip-hop, it's every where now. In Europe, the kids listen hip-hop, not techno. Martin, Alex Bau was not a success financially at Aria. Good ambiance and a good party but barely 350 people in the main room.


Kate, I don't know who are your prefered dj's but I saw many of your post here and I can tell most of these dj's played Aria.

From Adam Beyer, Adam X, Alex Bau, Ben Sims, Billy Nasty, C-1, Carl Cox, Chris Liebing, Christian Smith, Danilo Vigorito, Dave Clarke, Derrick May, Dylan Drazen, Frankie Bones, Gaetano Parisio, Green Velvet, Jack de Marseille, Jeff Mill, Joey Beltram, John Kelley, John Selway, Josh Wink, Juan Atkins, Justin Robertson, Ken Ishii, Kenny Glasgow, Kenny Larkin, Laurent Garnier, Loco Dice, Kevin Saunderson, Laiback Luke, Luke Slater, Marco Bailey, Marco Carola, Mauro Picotto, Michel de Hey, Misstress Barbara, Nigel Richards, Oliver Lieb, Percy-X, Richie Hawtin, Rolando, Slam, Space DJZ, Speedy J, Stacey Pullen, Sven Vath, Technasia, Thomas Krome, Umek, Valentino Kanzyani

If there was so much GOOD techno dj's that we didn't bring in the last 5 years, tell me. But 75% of the biggest techno dj's ever are on our list. Specially Rolando who made for me the biggest techno track ever.

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Originally posted by LiGHT78 So are you saying we can no longer expect quality booking like Mauro/Junkie, Christopher Lawrence, Markus Schulz, etc. after May 31st? Cuz that's seriously dissapointing, and makes me wanna leave Montreal. I also find it really sad you've given up your faith in the youth of today listening to EDM...I mean it's obvious most of them like hip hop these days, but it's just a fucking shame. Hip hop is such garbage, it disgusts me how in our market, it makes so much more money than house does. Fuck North America! With our love for EDM, we were all born on the wrong continent.

ben non, biggy is really just pessimistic right now.

EDM is growing stronger every year. Look at the number of house/prog nights happening all over town. It doesn't have to be all happening in after hours.

Plus the massives, are even more massive now with even a major world player being intrested in our market (godskitchen).

Finally, we have to world reknowed frontier-pushing festival known as Mutek and Elektra.

EDM isn't going anywhere but up.

Malek, I don't know since how long you are in the Montreal clubbing and rave scene but... Before, there was parties every week, people used to dress like ravers. Now there is 2-3 parties a year. Cream used to be a 10 000 people party and now there is no more party.
Bal en Blanc is doing good because there is a party atmosphere and because it's really commercial.
People from Montreal approched GK to come here because they can't do parties anymore in Toronto. I don't think they will last so long here also.
Wich club is doing house music night and doing so good in the city?
Wich club is doing techno?
Please, do not drop name like Parking (this is a gay club and totally different, fridays & saturdays are men only).

Upper Club??? This is a 150 people club capacity that is really pack 15 times a year, wow! I will not blame them, at least they try.

Jean-Fred you definitely booked many techno DJs in the past and I happily attended many of those nights. Just because it�s a techno booking though doesn�t mean I necessarily liked it, I can think of enough occasions where I thought the DJ seemed to be having an off night compared to other times I have seen him, as well as DJs that I thought shouldn�t have been booked in the first place. At the end of the day, I try to do what I can to promote the music and the nights where you have booked some techno and be positive about it!

I�m not going to bother trying to point out which events I felt were �good� musically and which ones were �bad�, because that is very subjective anyway and your opinion doesn�t carry all that much weight with me.

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Originally posted by malek Finally, we have to world reknowed frontier-pushing festival known as Mutek and Elektra.

I know people in TO talk about Mutek almost as much as they talk about DEMF. However, I'm guessing that's not the type of techno Kate started this thread about.

We're only in March and Aria has brought Mauro Picotto and Loco Dice, two big techno names - and while neither are my favorites, I can at least give aria some credit for bringing them in.

It sucks when people are stuck on how things used to be - it doesn't help anything move forwards.

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