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maybe I should mention the sites im finding enjoyable stuff at:
sijis.com
eclecticmeme.com
archive.org
starfrosch.ch
kahvi.org
subsource.de
thinner.cc
scene.org
sonicsquirrel.net
netlabelism.net - good place to start
some of the digital labels are good stuff, some of them really suck. I guess it really depends on what you are looking for. TBH I an enjoying the free stuff moreso than I am the mp3 shops, free stuff seems much more shocking to hear, more suprises and excitement, more unfamiliar things. I guess I get alot more unexpected pleasure out of digging around the net, but shops are more predicatble, they stock the stuff that sells.
Are digital "labels" killing EDM?
NO.
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| Originally posted by Floorfiller well yeah exactly. i'm just saying if a good label doesn't want your tune...there's a reason...it probably sucks |
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| Originally posted by Benjamin B Are digital "labels" killing EDM? NO. |
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| Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You make a persuasive argument Fry! |
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| Originally posted by Benjamin B Eh, I'm not trying to prove anything, so no argument is really neccessary. Just stating my opinion, albeit a simple one. Cheers, Ben |
useless topic...if those digital labels wanna release trance or other music that is less good or innovative than the big labels are releasings...who stops them? if it are crap tracks no1 will buy them or hear them and no1 bothers....so you are stating a problem here that is already solved...if you dont like, you dont buy...whats the point.
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| Originally posted by Stino so you are stating a problem here that is already solved...if you dont like, you dont buy...whats the point. |
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| Originally posted by Stino useless topic...if those digital labels wanna release trance or other music that is less good or innovative than the big labels are releasings...who stops them? if it are crap tracks no1 will buy them or hear them and no1 bothers....so you are stating a problem here that is already solved...if you dont like, you dont buy...whats the point. |
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| Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Wow, that doesn't make any sense. The problem is labels like the ones you are associated with oversaturate the market with half-assed toss, which will eventually lead in people giving up the genre completely because there's simply too much samey music to listen to. |
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| Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Wow, that doesn't make any sense. The problem is labels like the ones you are associated with oversaturate the market with half-assed toss, which will eventually lead in people giving up the genre completely because there's simply too much samey music to listen to. |
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| Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Actually, he has a point. A crap track is a crap track, no matter what label it's on. Someone has to be buying these shit tracks for the trend to continue. |
so nobody is gonna even say what they think of the stuff I've been finding, I mean the one informative post about music I write and nobody even cares, maybe I should just stick to opinion posts.
I feel like the whole half assed toss thing has already happened,
yet we are still all here
I guess what annoys me about these threads, is that some people seem to think they are the only people who matter, that the market should do what they like rather than what everybody likes, that they are on some higher plane that allows them the right to decide who should express themselves and who should not. I feel different, like everybody deserves to at least have a chance. We can always filter out stuff, and the more stuff there is to filter the more interesting types of filters emerge, maybe somebody can agregate all these different sounds into a completely new style that wouldnt exist if we were all about discouraging people from making and sharing stuff.
I dont know how to argue this adaquately, my mind has been blown by the great stuff I've found on the internet, and I highly doubt it is a result of me being ignorant of the stuff available offline.
There are plently of reputable labels one can stick to if they want somebody to do quality control, but there are also less established places that are willing to put out more radical sounds because they have less to lose, and that makes music more exciting for me.
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| Originally posted by Zombie0915 so nobody is gonna even say what they think of the stuff I've been finding, I mean the one informative post about music I write and nobody even cares, maybe I should just stick to opinion posts. |
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| Originally posted by Zombie0915 so nobody is gonna even say what they think of the stuff I've been finding, I mean the one informative post about music I write and nobody even cares, maybe I should just stick to opinion posts. I feel like the whole half assed toss thing has already happened, yet we are still all here I guess what annoys me about these threads, is that some people seem to think they are the only people who matter, that the market should do what they like rather than what everybody likes, that they are on some higher plane that allows them the right to decide who should express themselves and who should not. I feel different, like everybody deserves to at least have a chance. We can always filter out stuff, and the more stuff there is to filter the more interesting types of filters emerge, maybe somebody can agregate all these different sounds into a completely new style that wouldnt exist if we were all about discouraging people from making and sharing stuff. I dont know how to argue this adaquately, my mind has been blown by the great stuff I've found on the internet, and I highly doubt it is a result of me being ignorant of the stuff available offline. There are plently of reputable labels one can stick to if they want somebody to do quality control, but there are also less established places that are willing to put out more radical sounds because they have less to lose, and that makes music more exciting for me. |
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| Originally posted by RickyM I pretty much agree with that. And Mystery I find this topic ironic, seeing as you seem to dislike most new releases, regardless of the label (judging by your posts in the New Releases section). Perhaps I am wrong though. |
Whether you guys are right or not... you have to admit there's nothing that can be done. People can start digi labels if they want, you can't stop them. The only thing you can do is boycott the bad ones and also shit talk their releases which is already done en masse around here.
Record labels used to do business by gaining a reputation for quality releases. When you sign one excellent track, people expect that your other tunes may also be good and are more willing to give them a listen. Putting out mediocre tracks does little to help your label, and putting out particularly bad releases hurts reputation so that future releases are ignored.
This is no longer true in a world of mp3s, as the marginal cost of production has fallen to nearly zero. As such, selling even a few copies of a bad track will recoup the costs of signing the tune. Hence, the quantity of tunes supplied has increased massively.
I hope that a new service enters the industry -- a retailer that plays the role of quality control filter that used to be provided by the record labels when their costs of production were higher.
If you think your taste in music is shared by others, but they can't afford to spend their time digging through virtual crates of bad digital releases, there's a possible business opportunity: open a store that competes with Beatport but refuses to sign crappy independent labels. Or a version of Beatport where you only sign particular releases rather than a label's entire catalogue. Does that sound reasonable?
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| Originally posted by Floorfiller as far as i'm concerned...if you can't get your record on a decent, well established label...it's probably shit and shouldn't be pressed to begin with. |
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| Originally posted by RickyM I pretty much agree with that. And Mystery I find this topic ironic, seeing as you seem to dislike most new releases, regardless of the label (judging by your posts in the New Releases section). Perhaps I am wrong though. |
well , in my opinion this shit is really getting the scene down! i mean o.k there's nothing bad by selling mp3's but when everybody today can open a label without paying shit just do a contract 50/50 with astral for example and release mp3's then comes the problem! cuz then you have shitty labels which don't care about the releases , or artist just want to have 1000000000000 shitty releases and sell as much as they can , what do they care? they don't pay shit!
these labels are TOTALLY UNPROFFESIONAL! they don't even know that you need to master the release , i mean i got some promos which we're unmasterd!!! you guys sell them WTF!?!?!?!
and there's another problem which is really bad in my opinion.
every "dj" today think he's armin or pvd and if he got some unreleases or whatever he's the best so they all trying to get the new stuff and play those and it RUINS THE SCENE! why? cuz today a trance track get played like 3 weeks max and that's it! i can't be classic anymore its just another tune , everybody is whoring only unreleased stuff its soooooooooooooooo WRONG! and why do i mention it here? cuz those mp3 "labels" supplying most of the shit that gets played and you're wondering why trance is shit these days?
damn we should burn them all! just vinyls or at least cd's but mp3's?
it should be a bonus for the label like extra income for example the armada mp3 store.
"LABELS"!
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| Originally posted by Hydroid well , in my opinion this shit is really getting the scene down! i mean o.k there's nothing bad by selling mp3's but when everybody today can open a label without paying shit just do a contract 50/50 with astral for example and release mp3's then comes the problem! cuz then you have shitty labels which don't care about the releases , or artist just want to have 1000000000000 shitty releases and sell as much as they can , what do they care? they don't pay shit! these labels are TOTALLY UNPROFFESIONAL! they don't even know that you need to master the release , i mean i got some promos which we're unmasterd!!! you guys sell them WTF!?!?!?! and there's another problem which is really bad in my opinion. every "dj" today think he's armin or pvd and if he got some unreleases or whatever he's the best so they all trying to get the new stuff and play those and it RUINS THE SCENE! why? cuz today a trance track get played like 3 weeks max and that's it! i can't be classic anymore its just another tune , everybody is whoring only unreleased stuff its soooooooooooooooo WRONG! and why do i mention it here? cuz those mp3 "labels" supplying most of the shit that gets played and you're wondering why trance is shit these days? damn we should burn them all! just vinyls or at least cd's but mp3's? it should be a bonus for the label like extra income for example the armada mp3 store. "LABELS"! |
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| Originally posted by Zombie0915 so nobody is gonna even say what they think of the stuff I've been finding, I mean the one informative post about music I write and nobody even cares, maybe I should just stick to opinion posts. I feel like the whole half assed toss thing has already happened, yet we are still all here I guess what annoys me about these threads, is that some people seem to think they are the only people who matter, that the market should do what they like rather than what everybody likes, that they are on some higher plane that allows them the right to decide who should express themselves and who should not. I feel different, like everybody deserves to at least have a chance. We can always filter out stuff, and the more stuff there is to filter the more interesting types of filters emerge, maybe somebody can agregate all these different sounds into a completely new style that wouldnt exist if we were all about discouraging people from making and sharing stuff. I dont know how to argue this adaquately, my mind has been blown by the great stuff I've found on the internet, and I highly doubt it is a result of me being ignorant of the stuff available offline. There are plently of reputable labels one can stick to if they want somebody to do quality control, but there are also less established places that are willing to put out more radical sounds because they have less to lose, and that makes music more exciting for me. |
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| Originally posted by Akazi i agree on this, music has never been so exciting as it is now! |
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| I hope that a new service enters the industry -- a retailer that plays the role of quality control filter that used to be provided by the record labels when their costs of production were higher. |
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