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I think there is now flow in this compilation, the tracks are all the same. They are all tracks someone would spin in the start of a set, and then put on more energy, Tiesto forgot that part. So what happens: I get bored. Dont get me wrong, all the tracks are good, but there is nothing evolving.

Of course: My opinion

I just managed to get my copy of ISOS 5 and I was listening to it. If listen at ISOS 1, 2 & 3 you can see how his style of music has changed in just 3 or 4 years. ISOS 4 & 5 don't really suck, I do like them but I think Ti�sto is comercialised now.

He's lost the magic he had on his previous tunes, I don't know why but right now I feel his style of music is now changing to some sort of house. Ti�sto has always been #1 for me but I'm afraid Armin van Buuren is #1 right now...

just listened to CD1.... and hey! whadda ya know? I mix better than tiesto!

Jesus this is a piss poor excuse for a MIX cd. Where to start? I guess from the beggining:

The first song starts off quite nicely. a little too nicely for Tiesto. So of course throw in some shit vocals and a crappy mcprog beat to ruin what couldve been a great ambient intro song and you have the Tiesto of today! The second and third songs are quite alright but the transition from the intro track into the second one made my ears bleed. Is this man deaf?? HOW IN THE HOLY HELL DO YOU TRAINWRECK ON A MIX CD???!?!?!?!! Infact I think I only heard 1 solid transition on the entire CD.

The tracks after the first one are all alright and midway through the mix some are actually quite above average. The Jes track on this one, as opposed to ISOS4, is the most annoying song on the entire CD.

Id give this a 5.5/10. and thats only because it has some nice tracks burried under a shitpile of Tiesto's "mixing". Also I heard no flow after the first 4 tracks or so. it just seemed to try and top each mc-prog vocal track after the next.

Tijs, stick to easy-to-mix, cheesy dutch trance. leave the Mcprog to the Markus Schulz's of the world.

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Originally posted by RapidFire Tijs, stick to easy-to-mix, cheesy dutch trance. leave the Mcprog to the Markus Schulz's of the world.

Problem is not in the choice of "harder-to-mix" tunes but in the application and realisation of skills.

Anyone at the Miami shows will be able to comment - there were less wrecks in his two extended sets than on this release. Simply cos he was more comfortable in his surroundings and had an audience to dictate what was coming next.

The same tunes dominated both sets. Go figure why he found it so difficult to mix them on ableton or some other computer software and then decide to leave it as a wreck during the playback.

Ah well.

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Problem is not in the choice of "harder-to-mix" tunes but in the application and realisation of skills. Anyone at the Miami shows will be able to comment - there were less wrecks in his two extended sets than on this release. Simply cos he was more comfortable in his surroundings and had an audience to dictate what was coming next. The same tunes dominated both sets. Go figure why he found it so difficult to mix them on ableton or some other computer software and then decide to leave it as a wreck during the playback. Ah well.

Stop talking about his launch party sets!! You've made me really eager to get my hands on the sets!

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Problem is not in the choice of "harder-to-mix" tunes but in the application and realisation of skills. Anyone at the Miami shows will be able to comment - there were less wrecks in his two extended sets than on this release. Simply cos he was more comfortable in his surroundings and had an audience to dictate what was coming next. The same tunes dominated both sets. Go figure why he found it so difficult to mix them on ableton or some other computer software and then decide to leave it as a wreck during the playback. Ah well.

mc prog is much harder to mix because its aiking to house which is a genre of far less elements than trance. and with that, the track is stripped of mostly everything but the beat when its about to be mixed and you have to actually beatmatch it well and not hide behind huge buildups and snare-rolls. which, if you listen to his older live-sets, he did very well.

I could give a rats ass what his excuses are. hes not allowed to have ANY more. this CD shouldnt even have one trainwreck. its pre-recorded for fuck sakes. All he has to do is actually listen to his own mix and re-do it. is that so hard??

not to mention Ableton beatmatches for you. this is a joke

I'll take your 3 points one by one

1. WHAT. The less layers of music playing should in theory make it easier to mix. Why do you think complex tunes with multiple layers have intro/outro's? Granted most people regard house djs as superior to trance djs. But i think it has more to do with the nature of the tunes and how to build a set than it is the very nature of mixing them.

btw. Mcprog is super easy to mix. Wait for the fart/bassline to appear and float in another melody over/under it.


2. definitely agree. As a professional, never mind the second most popular DJ in the world - he should've at least sat down and made this better after the first take.


3. Listen again - the beats are MATCHED. There isn't a beatmatching error here - its more about cuepoints and timing of the tracks and also how long he leaves the tunes in when they are running together.

Ableton did his job regarding the beats... sadly tijs didn't do his part by actually pressing "go" at the right time on most transitions.

alright maybe Im wrong about mcprog being harder to mix but as I dont mix either of those genres, I couldn't really say. However with mcprog its much easier to tell if someone's a bad dj because much more attention is payed to the beatmatching aspect and its smoothness. and that is exactly whats lacking this entire mix. Not only are the beats not alligned, some of the songs are mixed in the most horrible places. such as far too late in the track or while one vocal is peaking he would merge it on top of another from the incoming song. thats a big no-no. and someone of his stature and experience should know this.

and thats why this mix is a disgrace.

Okay. I'll bite. Flame me if necessary, but I enjoy Tiesto's track selection 90% of the time. I've listened to a lot of his material, and I really don't hear these train wrecks everyone speaks of. Perhaps this is because I've only been mixing for about 4 months myself. I'm much, much better now, and I don't often make it sound like a pair of shoes in the dryer. Train wrecks are, to me, very obvious. Yet I don't recall hearing such on any of Tiesto's albums or TIC series. Can someone point me to a good, clear example of a trainwreck in his material? All of what I have listened to sounds beat matched to me. Hell, he's got me beat, and I'm actually pleased with my matching now after 4 months of weekly practice! Or is it really more a matter of his blending and cue points?

listen to the very first transition. none of it is un-beatmatched but its damn near close to it. it just sounds off. kinda like he just randomly picked a spot to transition into without any regard as to how it would move the mix forward or play off the other track. its amateurish.

not to mention his complete lack of subtlety all throughout the mix. Ive seriously heard live sets that are twice as good as this in every aspect. and thats just sad.

rofl @ mcprog being harder to mix than regular trance

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Originally posted by Push2005 rofl @ mcprog being harder to mix than regular trance

again I only meant that in the sense that if you screw up with a mcprog song its far more obvious than it is with a pure trance song.

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Originally posted by RapidFire listen to the very first transition. none of it is un-beatmatched but its damn near close to it. it just sounds off. kinda like he just randomly picked a spot to transition into without any regard as to how it would move the mix forward or play off the other track. its amateurish. not to mention his complete lack of subtlety all throughout the mix. Ive seriously heard live sets that are twice as good as this in every aspect. and thats just sad.

I agree with most of what you've said, but take into account that 90% of Tiesto's audience know very little/nothing about DJing, mixing or track selection. He's become so popular, it doesn't matter if he pisses off his 'real' fans, he has hordes of people to buy his CD, make him rich and famous, and vote him into the top positions of popularity contests.

Quality doesn't seem to matter anymore. Frankly if my name was put on his recent mixes I'd be too embarrassed to show my face never mind dance around behind the decks like a god

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Originally posted by MagikMan_643 I agree with most of what you've said, but take into account that 90% of Tiesto's audience know very little/nothing about DJing, mixing or track selection. He's become so popular, it doesn't matter if he pisses off his 'real' fans, he has hordes of people to buy his CD, make him rich and famous, and vote him into the top positions of popularity contests. Quality doesn't seem to matter anymore. Frankly if my name was put on his recent mixes I'd be too embarrassed to show my face never mind dance around behind the decks like a god

which is the very thing that pisses me off about this. he thinks he can get away with shoddy mixing and crappy track selection (solid tracks, shitty placement) and the rest of the world wont care? well fuck no he cant. Im calling his ass out this time.

I was actually going into this one with an open mind. I wanted it to be good. because after ISOS 4 I didnt know what to think. Maybe the pressure got to him and he didnt know how to follow up something so big as the ISOS series that he stumbled a bit. no biggie, we all make mistakes. but not only did he carry over his shit mixing, he has actually gotten worse at it.

Okay, I listened to Magik 6 the other night whilst cleaning house. It was the first time I listened to it in a while, but to me (again, this is just me) the mixing was on. What are your thoughts on the mixing here? I'm still trying to recall when/if I've heard Tiesto pull off a genuine train wreck, but nothing comes to mind.

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Originally posted by RapidFire Maybe the pressure got to him and he didnt know how to follow up something so big as the ISOS series that he stumbled a bit.

The pressure comes from somewhere else (management, demand etc). He didn't HAVE to release a CD now. But he did. Now he's gonna pay the price! hehe

dont recall that specific CD. although from what I can remember his mixing was always solid. except maybe on that innercity CD. but thats live and excusable. even the first ISOS had a few not-so-great transitions (the one leading into Mercury & Solace for one) but most of it was fine. and the tracks themselves were heaps better than what hes giving us here.

He was never known for amazing, ground breaking transitions or tracklists and its not like im having an e-stroke here but I just dont see how anyone with any knowledge of mixing could possibly proof-listen to that CD and actually let it get a release

I suppose what I need to do is take the time to acquire and listen to some trance mixes that are known for their good mixing and then compare those to the Tiesto mixes. I've listened to trance for years, but I just recently started mixing. I figure that as I get better at mixing, I will pay more attention to the mixing involved in mix CDs. When I first started, my focus was on getting the beat matched, obviously. As I have become quicker, I have begun to focus on my cues and transitions.

With that in mind, do you have any recommendations for a mix CD that is renowned for its quality?

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Originally posted by Zoso I suppose what I need to do is take the time to acquire and listen to some trance mixes that are known for their good mixing and then compare those to the Tiesto mixes. I've listened to trance for years, but I just recently started mixing. I figure that as I get better at mixing, I will pay more attention to the mixing involved in mix CDs. When I first started, my focus was on getting the beat matched, obviously. As I have become quicker, I have begun to focus on my cues and transitions. With that in mind, do you have any recommendations for a mix CD that is renowned for its quality?

I repeat - the CD's are beat matched

You need to look at other mixing errors (some examples):
track 2 > 3 - he starts Empty Streets about 5 seconds too late that the last cue point in Celine - Colour My Eyes. It also has a horrible clash here - where the two tunes, despite beatmatched are unable to sit with one another as one flowing beat/melody.

track 3 > 4 - similar story - the mix into Beside Me is too late, and despite the beats matching, the melodies are clashing all over the place.

Ideally the tunes should flow into one another without the listener being able to notice the change.

track 6 > 7 - 2 Dekay tracks.. and STILL the new track is just "appearing" bang just like that - and in the wrong cue point from the previous track. they are allowed to sit uncomfortably for a few seconds before Tijs gently fades out the first tune. Horrid mix.

Ideally with ISOS as the theme - you should have some progression or at the very least regression from the first to last track to mirror the concept.

The Cd's look like this /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\





For Tiesto & good mixing? Check out some livesets of his - 02-02-2002 or the essential mix from 2001 - he CAN do it... just not on live software

Okay, now we're getting on the same page! I will know what to listen for when I finally get the CDs (ISOS 5). Can you recommend a CD (not Tiesto) that is a good example of a quality mix throughout the CD? I'd like to have a baseline for comparison. For example, is there a James Holden (or any other artist for that matter) CD out there that would make you say, "Damn, now that was tight, smooth mixing"?

as cliche as it is to suggest: Global Underground 013.

Disc 2 especially. not only is it a great example of great mixing and track selection but its done live with vinyl.

eat that tiesto.

Thanks for the comments, explanations, and recommendations. I will try the Global Underground set you recommended. Holy shiat. Someone on TA just had a calm and rational exchange regarding trance, Tiesto, beat matching, and mixing. See, I knew it could be done.

Wait, does the COR know about this?

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Originally posted by RapidFire which is the very thing that pisses me off about this. he thinks he can get away with shoddy mixing and crappy track selection (solid tracks, shitty placement) and the rest of the world wont care? well fuck no he cant. Im calling his ass out this time. I was actually going into this one with an open mind. I wanted it to be good. because after ISOS 4 I didnt know what to think. Maybe the pressure got to him and he didnt know how to follow up something so big as the ISOS series that he stumbled a bit. no biggie, we all make mistakes. but not only did he carry over his shit mixing, he has actually gotten worse at it.

Yet the worse he becomes, the more popular he becomes

Go figure

When I see gangs of chavs on street corners and silly little schoolgirls shouting about how much they love Tiesto, the No. 1 DJ in the world , I'm ashamed to call myself a fan anymore

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Originally posted by MagikMan_643 Yet the worse he becomes, the more popular he becomes Go figure When I see gangs of chavs on street corners and silly little schoolgirls shouting about how much they love Tiesto, the No. 1 DJ in the world , I'm ashamed to call myself a fan anymore

Well, it's not like they're going for the music or anything. He could play Hungarian Accordian Folk music these days and you'd still be able to scalp tickets at $100-$200 profit.



(Disclaimer: This isn't meant to be a diss on fans of Hungarian Accordian Folk music. )

Does Tiesto do all of his production work on the CD? I'm not a DJ at all, so I have no idea, but I know that most artists have a production team...and you all shouldn't blame Tiesto for what you think of "bad mixing". It sounds great to me, what I've heard so far, so I don't know exactly what it is you all are talking about. But, I can tell you that I'm willing to bet if it were really as bad as you think, someone would have caught it.

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