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Originally posted by DJ Cinos See now. It wouldn't be my responsibility if the other part fooled me. She basically, with that action, justifies getting her tongue ripped out if she persists. I'm not selfish (oh sure) but I sure as hell wouldn't accept getting my life ruined by someone. And don't talk about "it was your choice, blah blah"... sure, if the child was an ACCIDENT I might "take my responsibility" (oh sure) but if she actively deceived me to get the money... no way.

believe me, if you ever reproduced I'd head the queue to have it drowned at birth

Re: So let's say you unwillingly knocked someone up...

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos As in, the female fooled you with a broken condom or something. And she wants to keep the child and take your money. What DO you DO? Kill her? Kick her in the stomach until the guts fall out? Threaten her into abortion? Or pussy out and pay?

if you're dumb enough to get fooled by a "broken condom" you deserve to face the consequences. i don't see it as any different than a girl lying about being on the pill or a girl lying about not having STDs... people will say some fucked up stuff in the heat of the moment because they aren't thinking about the future, they're thinking about gettin' their rocks off and having a good time. it takes 2 people to have sex and if you don't do your part to be responsible and cautious, then you deserve the aftermath.

if you think the best solution is to kill/punch/kick/hurt a pregnant woman just because YOU can't face your own mistakes and stupidity, then you're certainly no better of a person than she is.

i couldn't live with having a child somewhere in this world and not being a major part of his/her life.

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos See now. It wouldn't be my responsibility if the other part fooled me. She basically, with that action, justifies getting her tongue ripped out if she persists. I'm not selfish (oh sure) but I sure as hell wouldn't accept getting my life ruined by someone. And don't talk about "it was your choice, blah blah"... sure, if the child was an ACCIDENT I might "take my responsibility" (oh sure) but if she actively deceived me to get the money... no way.

but it IS partially your responsibility. if a guy with AIDS lies to me and tells me "hey baby i don't have AIDS i'm clean!" and i believe him, it's MY fault if i do in fact end up with AIDS after sleeping with him. a girl handing you a broken condom is no different than a person handing you a drink spiked with drugs... it's your own choice to believe and trust this person, and yeah sometimes it sucks that we get fooled into trusting people when we really shouldn't, but if you're not careful, that shit can happen.

moral of the story? don't sleep with people you don't trust 100%... and always carry your own condoms.

I'd contribute to the child's well being, yes. But I wouldn't let her have me by the balls with it. I'd take her ass to court and sue the shit out of her for deceiving me with a broken condom.

I thankfully don't know anyone that's happened to... but I'm sure that it does happen now and then. A woman who's mental enough to do something like that doesn't deserve custody of her child.

sue the shit out of her? and leave your child with a broke mother?


USE YOUR OWN FUCKING CONDOMS.


And no matter what, if you're not using a condom, you're to blame.

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Originally posted by l�cid but it IS partially your responsibility. if a guy with AIDS lies to me and tells me "hey baby i don't have AIDS i'm clean!" and i believe him, it's MY fault if i do in fact end up with AIDS after sleeping with him.

No, it's not. It's still his fault, and you could with a clean conscience torture him to death.

To trust someone is never your fault, even if it's foolish. And perhaps better never to do.

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Originally posted by Ian believe me, if you ever reproduced I'd head the queue to have it drowned at birth

I'm going to train a possible child to be a cold-blooded killer who always gets what he wants one way or anohter.

I SHALL CREATE A MONSTER!

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Be a fuckin' man and accept responsibility for your actions. You trusted her for the birth control, you had sex with her, the birth control failed, you got her pregnant. Life doesn't always work out the way we want but you have to play the cards you're dealt. If you're man enough to have sex then you also have to be man enough to live with the consequences whether they are welcome or not. Assholes not living up to their responsibilities is a huge part of the reason we have so many problems in western society today. Looking for ways out.... you make me sick you spineless, self-centred, selfish child. It's time for you to put your needs secondary, you have something more important then yourself on the way. BE A MAN.

+1 well put....

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Originally posted by Lucid it's threads like these that make me think that approximately 99% of the people on TA should be sterilized.

no kidding.....there are a lot of sick people on here...

Threatened her into abortion

a friend of mine had the same porb.

he Threatened her into abortion

she accepted so he just gave her the money and left her

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Originally posted by arcadia190 he Threatened her into abortion

that's brilliant.

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos See now. It wouldn't be my responsibility if the other part fooled me.

It is still your responsibility. You knew or ought to have known that one of the potential consequence of sex is pregancy. You had sex regardless of that risk.... you made a conscious choice. Unless she raped you it is your responsibility. Even if you could prove that she intentionally sabotaged the birth control you would still be deemed to have an obligation to that child (by any court in the western world).

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She basically, with that action, justifies getting her tongue ripped out if she persists.

No, it does not. It may be morally reprehensable behaviour on her part but it does not justify physical violence.

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I'm not selfish (oh sure) but I sure as hell wouldn't accept getting my life ruined by someone.

Yes you are selfish. You are trying to alieve yourself of responsibility so that you don't have to own up to your duty. Your claims that she sabotoaged the condom are likely false or at best unprovable and the motivation behind your claims is nothing more then self interest without regard for anyone else involved. You are a child thinking only of himself, what this will do to your life, how this will change things, what this will cost you..... grow up.

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And don't talk about "it was your choice, blah blah"... sure, if the child was an ACCIDENT I might "take my responsibility" (oh sure) but if she actively deceived me to get the money... no way.

It was your choice, just because you made a bad choice or things didn't work out the way you planned doesn't mean you can just shrug off the consequences. You made your bed, lie in it.

You really are the worst type of asshole.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard You really are the worst type of asshole.

Have fun blaming yourself for everything and being a general do-gooder.

I hope it's a conscious choice. I know mine is.

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos No, it's not. It's still his fault, and you could with a clean conscience torture him to death. To trust someone is never your fault, even if it's foolish. And perhaps better never to do.

being fooled by someone is no way to justify killing them, and that would never hold up in court if you were charged with murdering a pregnant woman.

"i'm sorry, your honor... she tricked me and i fell for it... so i killed her" ... riiiiiiiiiiight.


who you decide to trust is based on your own judgement and experiences... everyone has been fooled and let down by people they thought they could trust, but you learn from your mistakes and hopefully this will allow you to make wiser choices in the future.

dont let her abort!!

but
dont let her abort

thats a really bad thing

if u have the resources to raise the child

and if u love her then there's no prob i guess

?

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos Have fun blaming yourself for everything and being a general do-gooder. I hope it's a conscious choice. I know mine is.

the gun was in your hand. you pulled the trigger.

the bulletproof vest didn't work. their fault.

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos Have fun blaming yourself for everything and being a general do-gooder. I hope it's a conscious choice. I know mine is.

It's more a matter of taking responsibility for my actions then blaming myself. It is a conscious choice, I choose to be an upstanding person rather then a spineless paracite.

castrate her father, wow.

Wow that girls a bitch!

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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL Wow that girls a bitch!

normal kids?

you're pretty fucking stupid for blowing nut inside of her...

hang out with her again, grind up some RU-486, sprinkle it on her food, and you're set my friend.

always wear your own hat!

morning after pill.. do that.. you dont want to bring up a child into this world that you dont want to raise, cant raise properly or not intended to raise.

Personally my argument (although it will probably cause alot of contraversy) would be to abort the baby before a certain time period.

lets say before 6 weeks

this is a gathering of the fetal stages of different organisms (a bit dramatized). You can see that a baby isnt really much of a human organism until about 7 weeks into pregnancy, 2 months and a bit by comparing the two images.






Although genetically it is a baby, its still not a totally capable living human being developed with the capabilities of a born human being. you can say that blowing your load is half of a baby because it contains half of hte DNA required to create a gamete (which turns into a fetus baby etc). So there must be a point on which it is logical to abort or not, wihtout really being inhumane. Judging by fetal developement.. i would say that 7 weeks grace period is really what distinguishes a human baby from other organisms. Again theres a totally different ball game if your against killing of animals (For food and what not).

Not sure how he could prove it was a broken condom...

I am very much with moral on this one.

Where were you when this exact same topic came up and there was a huge debate?!!? I was like.. the only one fighting this side.

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