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Originally posted by Abercrombie That's often the case when you don't have free-media. People are spoon fed as to what the government wants them to know. Remember the last "free" vote in Iraq before the invasion? 100% support for Saddam is what every TV, radio and newspaper had as headlines.

ya saddam always gut 100% support cause he voted himself all the time.

Like in those kind of governments everything's planned.
how do you think iran's presedent gut elected. he gut 17 million vote and people believe he cheated.

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Originally posted by ChocolateTrance i think that people in iran are definitely 'aware' of what's happening; they have access to the same information that we do (internet, satellite, etc).. i just don't think that they care very much... the u.s. cannot afford another war these days(economically at least)

They do have access to information but they'r too busy finding a job that they don' have enough time like canadians to debate on anything.
So basically they just think everything is fine and in order.


p.s satellites are banned in Iran.

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Originally posted by TRANCEEEE nuclear energy is Irans right

They may have a "right" to nuclear energy, but they don't have a "right" to nuclear weapons.

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+ If israel + the US have nukes ? why not Iran

Neither Israel nor the U.S. has threatened to wipe Iran off the map.




Also, Ahmadinejad is part of an apocalyptic cult that has no regard for this world.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world...558.html?page=2

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Originally posted by extacy_bomb They do have access to information but they'r too busy finding a job that they don' have enough time like canadians to debate on anything. So basically they just think everything is fine and in order.

I don't know the employment statistics but when I went there a couple of years ago, there was not a single dinner party that I went to where there WASN'T a serious debate over politics at some point during the night. Obviously some people have more time to debate than others but the vast majority of people are well aware of the political situation in the country...COMPLETELY incomparable to Canadians many of whom don't even know the name of their current prime minister.

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p.s satellites are banned in Iran.

lol... i think the weed you had last night has taken you back to ten-years-ago!

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Originally posted by TRANCEEEE BUSH can suck my ass bush has fucked up the middle-east invaded a country with false evidence occupied / tortured / killed + still does + invading Iran is no piece of cake BUSH + the US & A have no balls to attack iran ahahhahahhahaha I actually support the president of iran. Despite his appearance ... I don not agree with his totally crazy/stupid ideas but , nuclear energy is Irans right + If israel + the US have nukes ? why not Iran FUCK BUSH

Don't tell me that this Iranian guy hasn't tortured and killed and such.

Anyway, this isn't about the US, it's about Iran and the rest of the world. I don't think anybody wants those fuckjobs to have nuclear weapons delivery capability.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Any country who pledges the destruction or another country should not have to physical abililty to destroy it on a catastrophic level.

you really think Iran is going to attack Isreal with nukes when they know very well that it will be the end for them if they do?

Nuclear weapons these days are nothing more than gigantic dick waving contests.

Iran: HAY GUYZ CHECK IT OUT I GOT SOME WMDZ LOOK
USA: r u sriuz
Iran: LOL YUP WE GOT SUM NUCLR WEPUNZ N THEY R KEWWT
USA: ya whatever ok u r a lier
North Korea: zErG RuSh kekekekeke ^_______^


That's how the world works.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Nuclear weapons these days are nothing more than gigantic dick waving contests. Iran: HAY GUYZ CHECK IT OUT I GOT SOME WMDZ LOOK USA: r u sriuz Iran: LOL YUP WE GOT SUM NUCLR WEPUNZ N THEY R KEWWT USA: ya whatever ok u r a lier North Korea: zErG RuSh kekekekeke ^_______^ That's how the world works.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Don't tell me that this Iranian guy hasn't tortured and killed and such.

Show me proof that he has.AS far as i know about a good 85% of the country loves this president and they elected him yes ELECTED him.

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Anyway, this isn't about the US, it's about Iran and the rest of the world. I don't think anybody wants those fuckjobs to have nuclear weapons delivery capability.

ooh pleaase he is a fuckjob because he said some shit about our dear Isreal .Look at Bush FFS, look how much trash comes out of his filthy mouth everyday. Bush isnt any better then Irans president.




Iran will rape the U.S if they touch them.I hope they get nukes even thouth there are NO PROOF anywhere that says they do.The U.S is about to pull another Iraq.They will go to the UN and will attack 1 week later.

You people need to realize how important nulcear technology is for Iran and its people.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf They may have a "right" to nuclear energy, but they don't have a "right" to nuclear weapons. Neither Israel nor the U.S. has threatened to wipe Iran off the map. Also, Ahmadinejad is part of an apocalyptic cult that has no regard for this world. http://www.theage.com.au/news/world...558.html?page=2

He did say that
and that was pretty harsh and i do not support such statements
However, the holocaust has never been questioned and doughted this way
Why should it be such a big deal, if the west believes in "freedom of speech" "freedom of opinions"
after the mohammad cartoons and all

Howcome, The U.S + Israel has the right to possess nuclear weapons ?
and Iran not ?
Why would Iran Attack israel ? wouldn't that be quite stupid , since israel + the U.S + many other allies will surely strike back on a far greater magnitude ...

+ the president of Iran is really just a figure. he does not represent the entire voice of the country ... most of his ideas are fed through the supreme leader ... he's got no power .. just a figure in front of the Americans
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to add on, he's actually helped alot of Iranians to regain strength against the west and to stay strong and patriotic ...

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Show me proof that he has.AS far as i know about a good 85% of the country loves this president and they elected him yes ELECTED him. ooh pleaase he is a fuckjob because he said some shit about our dear Isreal .Look at Bush FFS, look how much trash comes out of his filthy mouth everyday. Bush isnt any better then Irans president. Iran will rape the U.S if they touch them.

1) Don't know, don't care

2) I don't care about Israel more than I do about Iran

3) Hahahahahahahahahha, come on, you honestly believe that? It seems you are of Iranian heritage, so nationalism is fine and all, but can you seriously say that with a straight face? Outline to me how Iran will rape the United States. Even if they decided to go postal and use nuclear weapons, there won't be any Iran left 20 minutes after their first missile takes to the air.

Also why would you hope that Iran gets nuclear weapons capability? Are you fan of mutually assured destruction?

I know you hate the USA and all that stuff and you love Iran and I respect that, but come on, there's absolutely no way that Iran has any sort of trump card against the US in any way, shape, or form.

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Originally posted by TRANCEEEE the president of Iran is really just a figure. he does not represent the entire voice of the country ... most of his ideas are fed through the supreme leader ... he's got no power .. just a figure in front of the Americans + to add on, he's actually helped alot of Iranians to regain strength against the west and to stay strong and patriotic ...

wait...I thought 85% of the Irani people voted for him and love him??

And he's helped a lot of Iranians regain strength against the west? So the west is the enemy then?

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer you really think Iran is going to attack Isreal with nukes when they know very well that it will be the end for them if they do?

Who else would they use them on?????? Geeez!

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 1) Don't know, don't care 2) I don't care about Israel more than I do about Iran 3) Hahahahahahahahahha, come on, you honestly believe that? It seems you are of Iranian heritage, so nationalism is fine and all, but can you seriously say that with a straight face?

1) then don't mention it if you don't know

3) the US will suffer greatly, financially + human lives
irans no iraq ...everyones willing to fight the americans, why ?
---> not everyone appreciates their government and not everyones fortunate enough to sleep with a full stomach in an oil rich nation, but they still LOVE their country, and they will do everything possible to fight the invadors


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america is losing the war in Iraq ... so im pretty sure they would try to avoid Iran ... militarily speacking

So how would Iran suffer in the event of an American invasion? Much worse than America would, I'm sure.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH wait...I thought 85% of the Irani people voted for him and love him?? And he's helped a lot of Iranians regain strength against the west? So the west is the enemy then?

Iranian not Irani

yes, they voted for him
and yes his image is hacked in the minds of many irans as a rebel against all this bullying
MAny ... not all obviously

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 So how would Iran suffer in the event of an American invasion? Much worse than America would, I'm sure.

of course,
but the damage on iran will impart to many other nations dependant on irans Oil + economy
e.g) China

now the US doesnt wanna make china angry

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Originally posted by TRANCEEEE of course, but the damage on iran will impart to many other nations dependant on irans Oil + economy e.g) China now the US doesnt wanna make china angry

So how come this didn't happen with Iraq? I'm sure there are many nations dependant on Iraq's oil, no?

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Nuclear weapons these days are nothing more than gigantic dick waving contests. Iran: HAY GUYZ CHECK IT OUT I GOT SOME WMDZ LOOK USA: r u sriuz Iran: LOL YUP WE GOT SUM NUCLR WEPUNZ N THEY R KEWWT USA: ya whatever ok u r a lier North Korea: zErG RuSh kekekekeke ^_______^ That's how the world works.

LMAO

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Who else would they use them on?????? Geeez!

american thought process dicates as only they think, if you own nukes then you MUST have a target in using them....the reality is that the entire rest of the world does not suffer from the same paranoia as the american admisitration does.

To own a nuke, does not indicate the desire to use them, maybe the potential, but not the desire.

america is fucked, and if Isreal continues to align themselves with them then they will perish as the americans will. american society, their economy, their mentality, and now their sanity is all treading on a thin line.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer You people need to realize how important nulcear technology is for Iran and its people.

Dude, calm down, no one's arguing Iran's need for energy. Had they not disallowed UN inspectors for so long, and clearly complied with the UN in revealing their 'plans', they wouldn't be in this mess. Iran made itself guilty, by shutting out the truth from the rest of the world. They're part of the UN, yet ignore UN rules.

My Persian friends are disgusted at what's going on in Iran. It's been a crappy downhill slide of that country since the Ayattola Khomeni fucked the country up (their words). It's unfortunate you were not born before the revolution to appreciate the great coutry you once had before the extremists took power, and introduced sharia law. I was, my Persian friends were. They and I remember, and that's why they left the country, loss of freedoms, loss of land, suppression of women. Speak to your Persian elders who left before the 1979 revolution, and you might get a new insight.

In 2004 china signed a huge deal with Iran for its Yadavaran oil field signed by Sinopec (the huge chinese Oil company)
china works with Iran mostly
to answer your question
- the Iraq war is different. .. it was total sweep ...
Oil wells + companies are still running in Iraq (what a surprise
)
+ the country showed very little resistance against the US ... so its all controlled

you've seen the effects
highest gas rates in history

NOw IRAN is different ...
it won't be easy
Iran has far greater military capabilities and has greater allies
Its economy is blooming lately due to lots of reforms such as an increase in privatization + open markets with korea / china and of course higher oil prices =D
now an invasion on Iran will not only involve Iran vs. the US/U.K (mostly) it will involve several other nations since iran is far more stratigic and because history (Iraq war) has showed that the US is just a total fcuk up ...
Iran could close its oil ex. temporarly and that will make alot of dependants angry

iraq never had that privilage , since the pres was a runaway and its people were against him

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Dude, calm down, no one's arguing Iran's need for energy. Had they not disallowed UN inspectors for so long, and clearly complied with the UN in revealing their 'plans', they wouldn't be in this mess. Iran made itself guilty, by shutting out the truth from the rest of the world. They're part of the UN, yet ignore UN rules. My Persian friends are disgusted at what's going on in Iran. It's been a crappy downhill slide of that country since the Ayattola Khomeni fucked the country up (their words). It's unfortunate you were not born before the revolution to appreciate the great coutry you once had before the extremists took power, and introduced sharia law. I was, my Persian friends were. They and I remember, and that's why they left the country, loss of freedoms, loss of land, suppression of women. Speak to your Persian elders who left before the 1979 revolution, and you might get a new insight.

actually , it was alot worse during the shahs regeme
more freedom
however, a greatttttt difference in social classes
poor vs. very rich
the shah was Americas bitch
in terms of freedome, yes; nightclubs + girls in bikinis etc etc ...
but is that truely everything ...
I am totally against the way the country is ruled today (religion must be separated from state affairs )
I am not religious. in fact i hate religion...



the shah was a fuckup. he's son is alot better, but he's an exile and a wuss

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Originally posted by TRANCEEEE NOw IRAN is different ... it won't be easy Iran has far greater military capabilities and has greater allies

Allies? Who? Syria? LOL

I dunno about you, but if China has to choose between US and Iran, I think China would pick US.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Dude, calm down, no one's arguing Iran's need for energy. Had they not disallowed UN inspectors for so long, and clearly complied with the UN in revealing their 'plans', they wouldn't be in this mess. Iran made itself guilty, by shutting out the truth from the rest of the world. They're part of the UN, yet ignore UN rules. My Persian friends are disgusted at what's going on in Iran. It's been a crappy downhill slide of that country since the Ayattola Khomeni fucked the country up (their words). It's unfortunate you were not born before the revolution to appreciate the great coutry you once had before the extremists took power, and introduced sharia law. I was, my Persian friends were. They and I remember, and that's why they left the country, loss of freedoms, loss of land, suppression of women. Speak to your Persian elders who left before the 1979 revolution, and you might get a new insight.

Oh c'mon everybody knows that Shah was fake.
Even though there was more individuale freedom but people had less political parcipitation than now.
At shah's time the persian army was the 3rd army of the world. And if it wasn't so now there wouldn't be any Iran left after Iraq attacked us. That's one thing i really respect.
After the revolution Iran could reach to democracy ,but the Islamic leaders took over the power and screwed things up.
But still i believe on standing on ourselves than any outer help.
that's why i choose the islamic regime over shah's


I hope all these don't end up to WW3


that's all i am concerned of now.

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Originally posted by EvilTree Allies? Who? Syria? LOL

and what Alies does the US have? Poland?


If they do get attacked Iran can easily effect Isreal vs. Palestine situation and the hezbulalah in Lebenon will start attacking Isreal.Iran can also turn Iraq into a true disaster worst then it is now and ofcourse they can shut the oil to the west and we all know that cant be good.

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I dunno about you, but if China has to choose between US and Iran, I think China would pick US.

mmmm I dont know about that,we'll just have to wait and see.

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