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I don't know what to say ... I really just love this thread. It really hits close to home.

I've been partying for a couple years now, and only during the last 5 months have I experimented with E. I will never judge someone for their use of safer drugs, because I understand somewhat. Its just each time I did it, I began to feel more and more ... well, phoney. Like I was forgetting why I came to events. Everything would just go by so fast and then after I had to return to reality and face people I was lying to about my habits.

I guess the point is I'm really looking forward to the next event when I'm rocking out cause of the tunes under my own full control. I'm glad there are people on TA promoting safe partying and reminding people why they should go to a club ... tunes.

I dont see why this is only a drug problem. Cant the same be said for people drinking?
In fact I find the crowd to be alot friendlier and nicer on drugs then I do on those who are just drunk.
I also see less violence then the alcoholic crowd.

The only difference is, many of us say we go b/c we love the music.
And that might be the biggest reason why many of you are getting upset.

But lets face reality.. MOST people who go to Trance clubs/raves DONT go there because they love the music. They go there because they only LIKE the music and they LIKE to use drugs as well.
If you wanna remove people like that from the clubs and "clean it up". Then im sorry, but there wont be enough business to keep it open.

If you dont like it, then throw a house party with a "no drugs" rule.
Otherwise, you'll just have to get used to it.

Interesting comment Superstring. I guess it kind of struck home with a conversation I was having with my gf yesterday, and the theme was exactly as you predicted. The last few times we've gone clubbing, we went with every intention of being sober. Dropping is just not as fun as it used to be. Drugs just aren't what they used to be. It really annoyed me that when we got to BeB we found out Armin wouldn't be spinning until 5:30. This seems to be the case with most bigger names now. They're not on until an hour or two before sunrise. I don't know nor do I believe that I'm the only one in this position. On several instances we've taken e just to stay awake to see a DJ spin. And if someone claims its the drugs that make me like the music, well I'll have to disagree. I listen to this music all the time, at any chance I get, in every situation I can. There were countless times that at whatever point in the middle of the day, I'll just recklessly start dancing. I enjoy the music much more when I'm sober. But parties here are rarely, if ever anymore, good enough to warrant staying till the wee hours of the morning.

When one parties w/o pumping the junk into their veins, you come out and truly apreciate your experience, u remember things so much more clearly, the night, the music, the people...and at the end of the day, its the memories we keep that are really what matters. why waste it away?

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Originally posted by lopi When one parties w/o pumping the junk into their veins, you come out and truly apreciate your experience, u remember things so much more clearly, the night, the music, the people...and at the end of the day, its the memories we keep that are really what matters. why waste it away?

Amazing ... its the realization I've been coming to lately. I wish everyone could see this.

Re: TOTA has a crisis on its hands

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Originally posted by tatgirl I am by no means some high and mighty anti-drug person- I've just never let drugs take control of me (maybe I am a rarity?).

I don't know you well enough Nat to comment on you in particular, but wouldn't you agree that almost everyone who has dabbled in drugs and then moderated themselves or stopped entirely at some point, said "this is too much" at one point or another? Many people don't stop or slow down until their bodies are screaming at them, until they are in debt, until there are reprocussions with family or friends or their job.

Re partying sober - it can be done, often is, but truthfully the party has to be amazing, absolutely incredible, for me to stay until dawn unassisted and I suspect it's like this for others. Nowadays I often go out until maybe 1 or 2am but at that point, find it difficult to stay later unless the music is really infectious - and for me, in this city, it often isn't. So that means I go to the club to hear the opening DJ and then leave - woohoo!

One thing that gets me about this board are the people who get ridiculously excited about DJs who are here 2, 3, 4 times a year - I mean - they'll be back! just because there is a DJ here who you enjoy doesn't mean you have to go out and get right fucked up and stay til the lights come on. it is just a DJ. it is just a party. IT WILL ALL HAPPEN AGAIN IN 6 MONTHS.

You can't stop anyone from doing what they ultimately want to do. everyone has different breaking points. everyone sees their drug use in a very personal way and won't listen to anyone else until their own body and mind shut down on their own and force change. I find the TOTA general population to be noticeably younger and suspect they'll learn quickly what they are doing to themselves as they get older and have more responsibilities and their bodies do not recover the way they did when they were 18.

As zokissima stated.

I know alot of people who just take small amounts of E (not enough to get really high or nothing) just so they can stay awake and have the energy to keep dancing.

In my opinion, I dont see anything wrong with that.

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Originally posted by Swamper the perceived pattern of normalcy begins

another good point...

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Originally posted by lopi When one parties w/o pumping the junk into their veins, you come out and truly apreciate your experience, u remember things so much more clearly, the night, the music, the people...and at the end of the day, its the memories we keep that are really what matters. why waste it away?

I find quite the contrary, I find that the proper mix of substance will make the night more vivid to me, better, more exciting, more fun, and the memories tend to be more cherished. That said, if you overendulge (as I did at US9) and find yourself missing big blocks of memory from the night then clearly you've detracted from the experience. As the old Molson Ex commercials said "it's all about balance."

google answers all...found out what it is and those people who do it are insane and need help right away. its just stupid in my books.

getting back to the point, i've taken a drug when i went to one of the events and ya it made the night better. i was still there for the dj or djs no matter what. i'll take the minimum for me to have a good time with e (1 pill maximum) and alcohol (until i start feeling the buzz where i'm under control).

and i agree that the bigger name dj's should be playing as late. but what can you do when there is 4 big name dj's that don't want to play before 12 (midnight) and want to do a 2 hour set minimum?
when i heard that buuren was only coming on at 4 at decadence, i was bummed out cause i wanted to hear him come on earlier but i also wanted oakie to play a good set too.

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Originally posted by lopi When one parties w/o pumping the junk into their veins, you come out and truly apreciate your experience, u remember things so much more clearly, the night, the music, the people...and at the end of the day, its the memories we keep that are really what matters. why waste it away?

i dont remember what i had for breakfast and i was sober....so.....

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Originally posted by King Luis and i agree that the bigger name dj's should be playing as late. but what can you do when there is 4 big name dj's that don't want to play before 12 (midnight) and want to do a 2 hour set minimum? when i heard that buuren was only coming on at 4 at decadence, i was bummed out cause i wanted to hear him come on earlier but i also wanted oakie to play a good set too.

why cant we have parties on saturdays and sundays taht start at say noon at least in the summer time. and maybe end around midnight or so? this way the bar will be open and it falls in regular sleep schedule.

i know that there are sunset parties all over the world on the beach and all and well we might not have beaches around here but we could maybe have something along those lines

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Alright, I feel the need to weigh in on this. Drugs are good, very good, but only if used correctly. There is time and place for everything but one must be careful to use only what substances are necessary/desired to acheive the type of party enhancement they are looking for and only in the minimum quantities required. Ideally, intoxicants (of all types) should be used only to highten an experience. If you're losing control of yourself or blacking out large blocks of time then chances are you've failed to obtain the intended goals of your substance use and subsequently you should reevaluate your activities. I think everyone knows I use certain substances regularly so I certainly cannot and quite frankly would not preach abstaining from drug use, however, knowing what to take, when, and in what quantity is key.

See, here is where I disagree. The belief that "as long as the thin ice is not cracking beneath you, you're doing no harm" is the wrong message to send.

I'm not trying to push anyone to be clean and sober, nor do I look down upon people who do drugs, but I cannot relate to preaching to an entire community that it's ok to do drugs. Let them make the decision, and do your part by either saying nothing, or advising to leave it alone.

We're developing a society of people who are growing up to think that drugs are alright in moderation, when 15 years ago, only a minute percentage believed that. We are on a track that, in 15 years, it will only be a minute percentage that does not accept that notion as truth.

What's worse is the fact that a lot of people brag about their drug escapades to the younger people who consider these guys there mentors and are still vulnerable and get influenced easily. I made the mistake of telling my younger brother back in India, that i roll at parties every now and then and just the other day, he told me that he would like to try E and it made me sick to my stomach knowing that what I say and consider harmless to talk about could actually influence someone close to me to do something i wouldnt want him/her to.

I have nothing against the personal habits of people but i would like to use this thread to issue out a plea especially to the seasoned clubbers to be more discreet about their habits because there are younger people out there who interpret everything you say as 'Cool'.

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Originally posted by DigitalMP when 15 years ago, only a minute percentage believed that. We are on a track that, in 15 years, it will only be a minute percentage that does not accept that notion as truth.

that's a stretch...
People have been doing drugs for many many years. it's the environment that's changed.

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Originally posted by raveed What's worse is the fact that a lot of people brag about their drug escapades to the younger people who consider these guys there mentors and are still vulnerable and get influenced easily. I made the mistake of telling my younger brother back in India, that i roll at parties every now and then and just the other day, he told me that he would like to try E and it made me sick to my stomach knowing that what I say and consider harmless to talk about could actually influence someone close to me to do something i wouldnt want him/her to. I have nothing against the personal habits of people but i would like to use this thread to issue out a plea especially to the seasoned clubbers to be more discreet about their habits because there are younger people out there who interpret everything you say as 'Cool'.

Again, why I think it would be a good idea to rid this board of blatant drug discussion, if moderation was up for the task.

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Originally posted by Skipper that's a stretch... People have been doing drugs for many many years. it's the environment that's changed.

and the types of drugs...

p.s. - this thread should be stickied/

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Originally posted by raveed I have nothing against the personal habits of people but i would like to use this thread to issue out a plea especially to the seasoned clubbers to be more discreet about their habits

thats where that sentence should end. keep ur drug usage to urself basically.






(by urself i didnt mean u.)

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Originally posted by Skipper that's a stretch... People have been doing drugs for many many years. it's the environment that's changed.

Many more than the 15 year span I outlined, and that's when EDM really began to blossom. We are the environment.

Re: Set times part of the problem?

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Originally posted by Superstring Last week at Decadence AvB came on after 4. What's more, he came on at 5:30(!!!) at BeB. I almost feel like the perceived notion is that you have to be on Red Bull and E just to last it through until 8 or 9, when the set is done. For my friends and myself who don't load up RB/E, it's getting tough to even stay up until 5, let alone dance after that (keeping in mind our day jobs and commitments). Perhaps if the headliner sets where done at 2 or even 3, the drug use would decrease?

i entirely agree

if headliners came on at 11 pm and finished say at around 4, that would be perfect.

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Originally posted by El Kay Dee why cant we have parties on saturdays and sundays taht start at say noon at least in the summer time. and maybe end around midnight or so? this way the bar will be open and it falls in regular sleep schedule. i know that there are sunset parties all over the world on the beach and all and well we might not have beaches around here but we could maybe have something along those lines

Agreed ........ 100%....

Why cant a venue like Docks put on something like Decadance... Or even a party at the Guv, with AC on and Skybar open.

What happened to those open tent parties and "festivals"?...

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I find quite the contrary, I find that the proper mix of substance will make the night more vivid to me, better, more exciting, more fun, and the memories tend to be more cherished. That said, if you overendulge (as I did at US9) and find yourself missing big blocks of memory from the night then clearly you've detracted from the experience. As the old Molson Ex commercials said "it's all about balance."

i cant say i agree... ive done both, and now 95% of the time the later, and although yes, at the moment its more vivid, and memories seem like they will be more cherished, in the long run they fade much much quicker.

also when ur on something ur not urself, no matter how much u argue this, u arnt. u come back with what i think are more of a false memory, a false impression left on people, a false impression of the night. im not saying completly false, just not as true as it would be had u chosen to go sober.

Coming form someone named Sketchbag it probably doesn't mean much, but I know friends who have gone way too overboard and don't know when to call it night. I totally see your point and understand how u feel. I�m living proof of how a drug can take over someone�s life I use to make pretty good money close to 2500-3000 a month for a 19 year old kid with no bills or rent it was awesome but I spent all that money on a certain expensive habit and eventually I was fired form my job lost my g.f my car my apartment and a few close friends, and what can I say I learned a hard lesson and I went clean for 8 months and that was like 3 years ago and I have done it only a handful of times since, it�s just so hard to say no when it's offered or around but out of sight out of mind, I am proud of myself though cuz I did it every day for 12-14 months, and now that I can look back and see what kind of person I was back then(30 lbs lighter) I don't want live like that ever again, everyday was revolved around getting a new bag and when that one was done another and another �. Ewwww gross

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I find quite the contrary, I find that the proper mix of substance will make the night more vivid to me, better, more exciting, more fun, and the memories tend to be more cherished.

Most people don't know what the "proper mix" is. How do you find out what the proper mix is? What works for you may not work for someone else.

I'm just not a fan of cocktails... it scares me to see people I know do that. I would rather they just stick to one thing at a time. At least they'll know what to expect and when to stop (hopefully).

btw, thanks for brining this up Nat.

Drug use and the "Rave culture" go hand in hand.

If you got rid of all drugs how many people you think would actaully go to Guv?
I bet you the place would be almost empty.

Lets face it, Trance Events now need to rely on drug use to keep them going.


Also.. I think this thread might start getting violent soon..

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