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Originally posted by nusty I've tried to educate myself the best I can on this issue for a few reasons. first of all I've been partying for a fairly long time now and when I started I wanted to protect myself with information. The more I learned the more I felt in control of myself and my circumstances. I have also done a degree in neurobiopsychology, so obviously I chose to look at issues that best relate to what I have prior knowledge with and then did extra study on this topic specifically. I also know that there are a lot of people out there that have not taken the time to learn what is available to them on this subject and as such try to spread it on whenever I can without being a pushy or annoying friend. MDMA has been one of the most controversial drugs studied in neurobiopsych and there is a lot of information out there on it. The problem is that a vast chunck of the funded research is sponsored by gov't funding so a fair chunck of it is biased in that it feels the need to confirm what the funders want to hear on the topic. An increasing amount of privately financed material on the subject is becoming available, but it can still be a pain to sort out who has what agenda. The biggest issues with MDMA studies is to ask if there are ANY other possible causes for negative side effects (including death) that were studied? In most cases there are other possible causes, you then have to find out how much of a role that played in the final consiquence. There are lots of rumours, lots of 'studies' and very little fact on MDMA. A lot of what was once persumed has been turned upside down in the last few years by new studies. If you want to learn more dancesafe.org is a good starting place for really basic information on this stuff.

whoa, def some interesting stuff, will give it a read in the later hours of the morning

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Originally posted by FunkyGroove whoa, def some interesting stuff, will give it a read in the later hours of the morning

If any of you have any questions regarding MDMA I'd be happy to share what I know, tell you what I don't know and I'd also be willing to try to learn anything else that you want to know that I can't currently answer, to help you out.

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Originally posted by Frenchina my ass

^^^ For the record, I didn't say that.

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Originally posted by Frenchina ^^^ For the record, I didn't say that.

I just want to know what it's in regards too?

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Originally posted by nusty I just want to know what it's in regards too?

Ask him. I don't know.

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Originally posted by Frenchina ^^^ For the record, I didn't say that.

ok. u'r >3

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Originally posted by Sasha ok. u'r >3

^^^
(nm this... )


Edit: On a side note. That really sucks, and yes one can blame the substance that is meant to be taken as it being neurotoxic, but one would never actually know how pure the dose is. :S Thus, diminishing the validity of the aforementioned "probable cause". And this applies to any drug.

Sad story indeed. My condolences.

Laugh it up.

I'm not g33k enough. I still don't get it.

RIP

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Originally posted by TRANCEEEE yeh, weird = the doc asking that ...not the fathers reaction of course =D

the snapping is understandable, however they probably have to ask quickly after death, or else the organs will decay and not be of any use.

sorry to hear this...

be careful people.

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Originally posted by FunkyGroove it's not a myth. 2 of my friends participated in some medical survey/study about E, well they did spinal fluid checks on both of them to see if they are indeed E-poppers (that study payed well), since E leaves some sort of residue (not sure it's a right word) behind

not sure if E itself leaves the residue but cerebralspinal fluid will contain amounts of 5-HIAA which is the byproduct of serotonin being broken down by the MAO enzyme... the levels in the spinal cord will be different after E use.

this death sounds like it might be hyponatremia (from the brain swelling description)

(edit: I wonder if this person was on antidepressants also... a lot of people try this, and taking E while on SSRI or MAOI antidepressants might cause serotonin syndrome, which has all sorts of bad to fatal effects... dunno if brain swelling happens from that though)

btw there may be means to detect MDMA right from excretions in sweat... just saw a write up for something called a "Drugwipe" test that allegedly can be applied to underarm pits and MDMA can be detected within at least a 12-hour window after use... it's designed to be used for roadside testing, dunno if it's been put into use anywhere but iiiiinteresting

Time to switch to G
Advantages:
Good for muscles
Unlike MDMA, you can easily fall asleep and have no depression when wake up and performance in bedroom is much better than being on mDMA.
Just do it in moderation (1 cap every 1.5 hrs) and be careful.
Also, the only way to detect GHB by a drug test is shortly after ingestion and GHB does not screw up your brain and your memory as much as MDMA.

PS: My condolences to the family.

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Originally posted by AC-Milan Time to switch to G Advantages: Good for muscles Unlike MDMA, you can easily fall asleep and have no depression when wake up and performance in bedroom is much better than being on mDMA. Just do it in moderation (1 cap every 1.5 hrs) and be careful. Also, the only way to detect GHB by a drug test is shortly after ingestion and GHB does not screw up your brain and your memory as much as MDMA. PS: My condolences to the family.

G can cause anterograde amnesia in some people (they lose memory surrounding events that occur while under the influence and those events don't ever get transferred to long-term memory) - it's not considered "as" toxic because it's something that already exists in the body in small amounts.

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Originally posted by AC-Milan Time to switch to G Advantages: Good for muscles Unlike MDMA, you can easily fall asleep and have no depression when wake up and performance in bedroom is much better than being on mDMA. Just do it in moderation (1 cap every 1.5 hrs) and be careful. Also, the only way to detect GHB by a drug test is shortly after ingestion and GHB does not screw up your brain and your memory as much as MDMA.

No offence bro but that is one of the most stupid posts i've ever seen.
Encouraging fucking G????!?!!!?
PS this may be the first time i've ever posted sumthing this harsh,
but it really is ridiculous to post benefits of doing G

sahand this all happened when you took kourosh to the hospital????

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Originally posted by TheVrk Unless she drank NO water and dehydrated, i think this shows you can never REALLY be completely safe Fuck, if it REALLY was ONLY 2 pills? So sad

It is clear here that you were justifying the use of MDMA. Now, my question is: What makes someone who is dropping E better than someone who is doing G once in a great while?

It could have been one of us...but regardless...RIP. People keep forgetting that they aren't immortal....

one more reason why i am happy i am sticking with my decision

my thoughts and prayers are with this family. i am sorry they have to go through this.

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Originally posted by Cribby It could have been one of us...but regardless...RIP. People keep forgetting that they aren't immortal....

Great point!!! Let's not do drugs at all and stick to good old Russian vodka

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Originally posted by nusty I'm not g33k enough. I still don't get it.

don't bother Sasha obviously had nothing else to say

nusty, thanks for the posts, some really good information there.

Condolences to her family.

Article

Mercure actually got a hold of a study on the side effects that drugs cause.

In regards to the use of MDMA, the only side effects of the drugs were feeling over-heated, and dehydration. I will post the article this evening when I get home. it's really good.

As Nusty said, sometimes one can over-hydrate themselves.

There are known cases of people having adverse side effects to E intake.

The one drug that is really impairing over time is speed. I'll post info about that later.

Cheers

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