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Originally posted by Protege dude are you a troll or something, calm down. just cause some people chose not to believe this doesnt mean you have to get all touchy.

he's got a point. everyone has a right to think/feel whatever they want. That's one of the great things about this country.

believe what you want, but you should be thankful that you are anyone posting anything about 9/11 isn't getting arrested or killed because of it.

you people are as ignorant as you are worthless

go back to your American Gladiators... 56 fucking channels of it

how do you explain the smell of cordite (ahem, common EXPLOSIVE ingredient, cited by almost every FIREFIGHTER (who know more than you about buildings, presumably)) that was present AS the tower was coming down?

i'm through with dealing with the lot of you. watch the fucking movie.

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Originally posted by tubularbills you should be thankful that you are anyone posting anything about 9/11 isn't getting arrested or killed because of it.

yeah, land of the free, wee-hah!

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Originally posted by placebo Research into what, some dumbass theory about how the US Government wanted to demolish the two towers FOR NO FUCKING REASON? Fuck that shit man, and no, I don't watch mainstream media, I don't agree with extreme right wing and left wing propaganda, and I don't agree with bullshit conspiracy theories. Say whatever you want, but all of those theories are completely false, and really have no factual backing. All the quotes and data is taken out of context. I'm not going to agree with some bullshit biased video. Fuck that.

this post is completely senseless. it's not a biased video. there WERE reasons (YES, more than ONE) for bringing the towers down, and there are more than enough proven, documented FACTS making this... duhhr.... NOT A CONSPIRACY. i rest my case. dealing with ignorant people is tiresome.

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Originally posted by placebo Research into what, some dumbass theory about how the US Government wanted to demolish the two towers FOR NO FUCKING REASON? Fuck that shit man, and no, I don't watch mainstream media, I don't agree with extreme right wing and left wing propaganda, and I don't agree with bullshit conspiracy theories. Say whatever you want, but all of those theories are completely false, and really have no factual backing. All the quotes and data is taken out of context. I'm not going to agree with some bullshit biased video. Fuck that.

thats cool you can believe what you want. no ones goin to change your mind... or mine. I am with you on the left v. right BS... that a false paradyme. i look at it as right and wrong.. neither left or right.

but things like building 7... the Official report said that they dont know why it fell... it had minor fires and no structure damage. Building 7 was the third skyscraper to collapse into rubble on September 11, 2001. According to the government, small fires leveled this building, but fires have never before or since destroyed a steel skyscraper.

The team who investigated the collapse were not allowed access to the crime scene. By the time they published their inconclusive report, the evidence had been destroyed.

Why did the government rapidly recycle the steel from the largest and most mysterious engineering failure in world history, and why has the media remained silent?

theres so much more but whatever

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Originally posted by placebo All the quotes and data is taken out of context.

so you're saying that ALL, 100%, EVERY SINGLE ONE of the many quotes and data cited in this movie were "taken out of context"...c'mon the movie is significantly longer than 1 hour, and all it does is spew out FACT...you're suggesting that ALL of these FACTS were misinterpreted (even though some are DIRECT QUOTES OUT OF THE MOUTHS OF GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS [who i think would know more than anyone else out there]) and that all of the straightforward evidence to suggest this wasn't merely some random terrorist attack is purely coincidental. c'mon... think about how much control a government has...the way they can CONTROL people (brainwash, persuade...), do you honestly think that their intentions are always in the best interest of their citizens??? yeah, right.

and for all of those that wonder 'why would the u.s. government just randomly stage this attack that day?'...look into it...helloooo, our government $ PROFITTED $ from 9/11.

i respect that your opinion is your opinion...and i'm not trying to force mine down anyone's throat...but no one (at least here) has all of the evidence to know the whole truth...you're only hurting yourself by being ignorant and refusing to research or understand other LEGIBLE causes behind this catastrophe. don't believe everything you hear...and that DEFINATELY works in terms of what the government says also.

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Originally posted by dcougar99

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Originally posted by Caela

it's no use, let the sheep go back to pasture

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Originally posted by Aureus you people are as ignorant as you are worthless go back to your American Gladiators... 56 fucking channels of it how do you explain the smell of cordite (ahem, common EXPLOSIVE ingredient, cited by almost every FIREFIGHTER (who know more than you about buildings, presumably)) that was present AS the tower was coming down? i'm through with dealing with the lot of you. watch the fucking movie.

What you dont realise that most of us HAVE actually seen the video a looong time ago(Political forum anyone?).Its even available on youtube FFS.

Whats important is that you gather both sides of the story.. as much as you can gather and make a neutral judgement. I choose to believe that there is a certain degree of coverup, but terrorists were actually involved in 9/11.

Osama Bin Laden did have connections with the US in the past. Maybe this was just taking global war on terror to a whole new frontier.

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Originally posted by Caela so you're saying that ALL, 100%, EVERY SINGLE ONE of the many quotes and data cited in this movie was "taken out of context"...c'mon the movie is significantly longer than 1 hour, and all it does is spew out FACT...you're suggesting that ALL of these FACTS were misinterpreted (even though some are DIRECT QUOTES OUT OF THE MOUTHS OF GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS [who i think would know more than anyone else out there]) and that all of the straightforward evidence to suggest this wasn't merely some random terrorist attack is purely coincidental. c'mon... think about how much control a government has...the way they can CONTROL people (brainwash, persuade...), do you honestly think that their intentions are always in the best interest of their citizens??? yeah, right. and for all of those that wonder 'why would the u.s. government just randomly stage this attack that day?'...look into it...helloooo, our government $ PROFITTED $ from 9/11. i respect that your opinion is your opinion...and i'm not trying to force mine down anyone's throat...but no one (at least here) has all of the evidence to know the whole truth...you're only hurting yourself by being ignorant and refusing to research or understand other LEGIBLE causes behind this catastrophe. don't believe everything you hear...and that DEFINATELY works in terms of what the government says also.

So you're telling me you actually believe there was some elaborate conspiracy behind 9/11. The goverment destroyed two historic buildings, ruined thousands of American lives, and caused our country to go into an economic crisis. People are ALWAYS going to put on their tin-foil hat before they look at things logically. When was the last time the government dealt with a disaster like this? What were they supposed to do, store the pieces of the WTC in a warehouse somewhere? Think about how much shit you would have to deal with after an event like that, you can't expect them to handle everything 100 percent correctly, mistakes are going to be made and things are going to be overlooked. But to actually think that the US Government would execute a terrorist attack ON THEIR OWN FUCKING COUNTRY is insane.

yeah, they'd have to think of a better reason to do something as crazy as that other than profit.

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Originally posted by placebo But to actually think that the US Government would execute a terrorist attack ON THEIR OWN FUCKING COUNTRY is insane.

it's really not when you think that 1.8 BILLION dollars in gold bars stored under the towers were never recovered, and that this "attack" was an excuse to usher in all the surveillance policies that have since come into effect since Sept. 2001 (Patriot Act, NSA call-tracking, etc.), and also as an excuse to commence operations outside the US in the name of "fighting the terrorist cause."

please. get with it already. it's called common sense.

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Originally posted by placebo Research into what, some dumbass theory about how the US Government wanted to demolish the two towers FOR NO FUCKING REASON?

Well if you want a motive that the govt did it, the govt has a better motive than Bin Laden. The motive for Bin Laden according to Bush is because he hates freedom & is crazy. The motive for Bush is sick amounts of money, tax payers money. The American people would not of supported a war b4 9/11. But after 9/11 the whole country supported war in Afganistan including myself. Then the 9/11 ride was taken to the Iraq war, which at the time the majority of the country supported including myself. The amount of money made from no bid defence contracts is unreal. Plus the amount of money made from homeland security contracts. Americans also gave up some rights from the Patriot Act. That gives the govt more power. And it gives the American people less power to defend themselves against thier govt. Also Iraq has oil & oil is the #1 resource needed to wage war. Which gives the govt more & more power.

Also there is proof that the govt planned terrorist attacks against our own country & shifted blame to another to wage war. Operation Northwoods.

Now im not buying the whole govt did 9/11 theory & just because the govt has a motive doesnt mean they did it. Like i said b4 a movie isnt gonna get me to make up my mind. But you asked for a possible motive.

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Originally posted by Aureus it's really not when you think that 1.8 BILLION dollars in gold bars stored under the towers were never recovered, and that this "attack" was an excuse to usher in all the surveillance policies that have since come into effect since Sept. 2001 (Patriot Act, NSA call-tracking, etc.), and also as an excuse to commence operations outside the US in the name of "fighting the terrorist cause." please. get with it already. it's called common sense.

Why would the US need to blow up 2 towers to get it's own gold? And they used 9/11 as an excuse to enact all of those other policies, yes, but that doesn't mean they blew up the 2 towers you fucking idiot.

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Originally posted by placebo Think about how much shit you would have to deal with after an event like that, you can't expect them to handle everything 100 percent correctly, mistakes are going to be made and things are going to be overlooked.

yeah...did you watch the movie??? there are countless "mistakes" that they forgot to take care of. which only reinforces this entire theory. you can't argue with the fact that that there's something screwy with 9/11...i.e. the shortage of military protection planes in NYC that very morning, the insider trading that occurred a few days prior (stocks of the WTC, American/United Airlines PLUMETTING...some, 11 FRIGGEN TIMES what their normal daily lows had been). too many coincidences! it's STRANGE!!!

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Originally posted by placebo But to actually think that the US Government would execute a terrorist attack ON THEIR OWN FUCKING COUNTRY is insane.

Operation Northwoods...go wikipedia it now...please. Not so crazy now, huh.

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Originally posted by placebo Why would the US need to blow up 2 towers to get it's own gold? And they used 9/11 as an excuse to enact all of those other policies, yes, but that doesn't mean they blew up the 2 towers you fucking idiot.

it wasn't their own gold... if you did some research, you'd know that, fucking idiot! it belonged to a plethora of banks from around the world.

you need to open your mouth less.

why on earth would you back a US Govt / Mass-media covered explanation??!?

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Originally posted by Aureus i'm through with dealing with the lot of you. watch the fucking movie.

I agree that there are alot of things with 9/11 that dont add up. But just because this movie states things doesnt mean its all fact. Like i posted b4 if the movie is stating that 9 of the hijackers are still alive, please get a camera crew there to interview them. If you can tell me where they live & phone #'s ill gladly call em & try & set up an interview myself. But the movie doesnt do that. The movie just says they are alive & living happily somewhere. So im not gonna take the movies word for it without hard evidence to back it up.

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Originally posted by jonSun I agree that there are alot of things with 9/11 that dont add up. But just because this movie states things doesnt mean its all fact. Like i posted b4 if the movie is stating that 9 of the hijackers are still alive, please get a camera crew there to interview them. If you can tell me where they live & phone #'s ill gladly call em & try & set up an interview myself. But the movie doesnt do that. The movie just says they are alive & living happily somewhere. So im not gonna take the movies word for it without hard evidence to back it up.

well, at least you have some semblance of intelligence and rationale compared to these people who simply write off the whole ordeal as CONSPIRACY and THE WORK OF TERRORISTS

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Originally posted by Aureus it wasn't their own gold... if you did some research, you'd know that, fucking idiot! it belonged to a plethora of banks from around the world. you need to open your mouth less. why on earth would you back a US Govt / Mass-media covered explanation??!?

Well I made a mistake, but you're still a fucking moron.

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Originally posted by placebo Well I made a mistake, but you're still a fucking moron.

it's people like you who make other countries hate us so much


YOU.
ARE.
IGNORANT!

now stfu and go back to watching football or something

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Originally posted by Aureus it's people like you who make other countries hate us so much YOU. ARE. IGNORANT! now stfu and go back to watching football or something

You got me. Congrats.

At least I don't take everything conspiracy theorists say as fact. Listen to what you're saying, repeat it to yourself, and ask yourself do you actually believe that. Do you actually think the US Government would blow up the WTC? If you do, you're right up there with the rest of the tin-foil hat squad. Believe what you want to believe, but I'm sticking with what I believe--that all of those conspiracy theories are complete bullshit, the terrorist attacks were just that, TERRORIST attacks.

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Originally posted by jonSun Well if you want a motive that the govt did it, the govt has a better motive than Bin Laden. The motive for Bin Laden according to Bush is because he hates freedom & is crazy. The motive for Bush is sick amounts of money, tax payers money. The American people would not of supported a war b4 9/11. But after 9/11 the whole country supported war in Afganistan including myself. Then the 9/11 ride was taken to the Iraq war, which at the time the majority of the country supported including myself. The amount of money made from no bid defence contracts is unreal. Plus the amount of money made from homeland security contracts. Americans also gave up some rights from the Patriot Act. That gives the govt more power. And it gives the American people less power to defend themselves against thier govt. Also Iraq has oil & oil is the #1 resource needed to wage war. Which gives the govt more & more power. Also there is proof that the govt planned terrorist attacks against our own country & shifted blame to another to wage war. Operation Northwoods. Now im not buying the whole govt did 9/11 theory & just because the govt has a motive doesnt mean they did it. Like i said b4 a movie isnt gonna get me to make up my mind. But you asked for a possible motive.

now this is an informed post!

I believed everything i heard about 911 up until they passed the patriot act... i started to look into how this would "protect" us yeah right... then i started hardcore research and found all this shit that was very hard to except. its not a pretty picture and took sometime to deprogram what I have been told by the mainstream media etc. talk about a wakeup call!!!

just research Operation Northwoods and you�ll see... the gov planed to attack ourselves as a pretext to attack Cuba. and was approved all the way up to the top of the military!

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Originally posted by placebo But to actually think that the US Government would execute a terrorist attack ON THEIR OWN FUCKING COUNTRY is insane.

looks like someone here needs a history lesson...please do a search on 'operation northwoods', then come back and we'll talk

EDIT: heheh...looks like dcougar beat me to it! but yeah, placebo, you really should read up on it...

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Originally posted by placebo You got me. Congrats. At least I don't take everything documents and witnesses say as fact. Listen to what you're saying, repeat it to yourself, and ask yourself do you actually believe that.

Yes.

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Do you actually think the US Government would blow up the WTC?

Yes.

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If you do, you're right up there with the rest of the tin-foil hat squad. Believe what you want to believe, but I'm sticking with what I believe--that all of those conspiracy theories are complete bullshit, the terrorist attacks were just that, TERRORIST attacks.

the thought that they were TERRORIST ATTACKS is complete bullshit. watch the movie. stop being so fucking closed-minded!!

THERE IS NO BIAS IN THIS FILM
THERE IS NO BIAS IN THIS FILM
THERE IS NO BIAS IN THIS FILM
THERE IS NO BIAS IN THIS FILM
THERE IS NO BIAS IN THIS FILM

what part of that doesn't register in your measly little head?!

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Originally posted by dcougar99 now this is an informed post! I believed everything i heard about 911 up until they passed the patriot act... i started to look into how this would "protect" us yeah right... then i started hardcore research and found all this shit that was very hard to except. its not a pretty picture and took sometime to deprogram what I have been told by the mainstream media etc. talk about a wakeup call!!! just research Operation Northwoods and you�ll see... the gov planed to attack ourselves as a pretext to attack Cuba. and was approved all the way up to the top of the military!

I think alot of people misunderstood me--of course there were coverups, mistakes, inconsistencies--that happens with every majour disaster like that. I don't agree with the Patriot Act, the NSA Wire-Tapping, the war in Iraq. But I also don't agree that the US Government would blow up the WTC. Sure, you can ALWAYS find a motive, and you can ALWAYS find a conspiracy. You would think that with EVERYONE involved with something like that, and saying the mass-media is involved too, that something would leak? People don't keep their mouths shut.

If you want motive, it would be about oil. That was why Bush used the 9/11 attacks as an excuse to invade Iraq. From the beginning it was about Oil. It's always about Oil. Money doesn't make the world go round, Oil does.

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Originally posted by placebo I don't agree with the Patriot Act, the NSA Wire-Tapping, the war in Iraq. But I also don't agree that the US Government would blow up the WTC. Sure, you can ALWAYS find a motive, and you can ALWAYS find a conspiracy. You would think that with EVERYONE involved with something like that, and saying the mass-media is involved too, that something would leak? People don't keep their mouths shut. If you want motive, it would be about oil. That was why Bush used the 9/11 attacks as an excuse to invade Iraq. From the beginning it was about Oil. It's always about Oil. Money doesn't make the world go round, Oil does.

oil = money .. duhhrrrrrrrrrrrrr

conn-ect-the-dots

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Originally posted by placebo I think alot of people misunderstood me--of course there were coverups, mistakes, inconsistencies--that happens with every majour disaster like that.

uhh.... what?

/leaves thread out of frustration

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