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Since when does an AFL coach saying that the World Cup will help soccer in Australia translate to AFL having an expiry date? It's Australia's national sport dude, you're being a little silly by saying something like that. Just look at the most recent TV rights numbers and you can see that AFL is a long way from 'exipring'

Why did you stop following Aussie Rules when it became the AFL Chris?

You're sounding a tad jaded about something imo.

AFL is declining................



with record crowds, record profits, record tv viewers and record income from tv rights.

That right there is a sport in decline, no two ways about it

AFL does not have an expiry. Its existed very successfully for 150 years, and its not gonna cease to exist in the next 5-10 or whatever. Should soccer get popular and widely accepted the two will co exist very easily. Australia does actually have the population to support two forms of football. Sure there may be a drop off from AFL to support soccer, but that will be negligable. The AFL supporters aren't just gonna wake up one day and forget about football. For Soccer to get anywhere near the popularity of Europe or England, it'll take at least (AT LEAST) 50 years of growth every single year. But logically it won't get that popular, and the two will still co exist.

no offence intended mr pana, but you really shouldnt be arguing about it if it gets you so riled up when your ideas are challenged

i only have one point to make:

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Originally posted by Chris Pana With respect to the quality of soccer in Australia, the problem is due to poor, inadequate funding. The reason they leave for europe or another continent is to be able to compete at an international level for which Australia does not have the ability to do so up until now. I feel that this world cup should give the country enough gravity to pull it through and hopefully pick up the game locally. Yes, I am rather optimistic on this point and truly do hope it gathers momentum and strength.

whilst you might be correct in its inadequate funding, australia will NEVER be able to compete with the european clubs in terms of money & prestige. the top AFL earners get the equivalent of 1 weeks pay a year(if theyre lucky!) for a good soccer player in europe. thus, our stars will continue to go overseas. without any elite local talent, the number of kids playing soccer is largely irrelevant.

so while giving soccer australia more funding might help generate better players (and more of them) its really just a training ground for those that wish to play in real leagues overseas. i simply cannot see how this fact can ever be changed. id love it, really i would. i love the sport and played it half my life. but as a realist, i think your optimism is bordering on faith alone.

PKC personally man, it's really, like most things on forums, been taken a little too far or a touch out of context. I'm not riled, nor overtly swayed on the difference of opinion. It's just a healthy debate and a bit of fun really. I'm practicing my touch typing.

Now, some european teams are backed by banks with limitless cash flows. this then, translates to massive advertising, exposure, salaries and above all, an opportunity to become competitive with the correct support base and obviously fan base. At the end of the day, if AFL were to "hypothetically" disappear, there will always be Soccer. I mean, yes it's a stupid point, but realistic nonetheless. Australia is not the be all and end all but it is when it comes to AFL. I sure hope all that's been raised is infact the case and that both do co-exist comfortably and that we can all continue to enjoy what we want out of either sports.

Dean, no one's jaded just a difference of opinion. When I say expiry I inherently mean that it has the potential to lose interest in its viewer/fan base and its 'good run' will pan and steady out. I don't ever mean that it will die and soccer then becomes the main national sport. I believe this issue again, like anything that has a passionate following that closely resembles religion, will be difficult to argue, both sides.

Again, here's another flag that needs to be raised. Why is fox footy looking at getting canned by the end of the year? I mean, i'd say that would be a 'sure' investment that's positively geared and i'd imagine any die hard footy supporter with Foxtel would watch this religiously? I dunno, but there's always usually a method to the madness. Cost cutting, a lack of interest in people watching the channel that have foxtel, who knows?

All i'm saying here is, one day soccer will inevitably reach to it's prospective fan base. Let's not forget there are far more migrants here that already support the game but need a platform to do so. The A-League is good but not overly great but I do believe it needs a change also (what that may be, is questionable). Whether or not that impacts on the AFL, that's questionable and arguable, but I do believe that the AFL will need to be prepared for something that could potentially have some ramification on the game. Whether negligible, again that's an opinion, or great, again a prediction, we could simply argue this to no end and both be wrong.

I think it's time to bury the issue as it's really going nowhere.

I honestly dont see footy ever ending mate.. It's got the biggest following doesn't it? I walk around the office daily and ****s ask me who i 'barrack for' and when I say 'no one really' they look like they just took a shit in their pants.

No offence to footy of course, not my cup of tea.. but it is damn popular and is no way 'expiring'.

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Originally posted by Chris Pana Again, here's another flag that needs to be raised. Why is fox footy looking at getting canned by the end of the year? I mean, i'd say that would be a 'sure' investment that's positively geared and i'd imagine any die hard footy supporter with Foxtel would watch this religiously? I dunno, but there's always a method to the madness.

why? Because 7 and 10 are happy to exlude them so they get exclusive rights to all the games and don't need to share with Foxtel. This point actually works against you, because 7 and 10 have realised they will get enough viewers to make the (record) investment worthwhile without needing Foxtel's money as well.

So, in summary, why are they getting "canned" as you put it? Because they were not part of the winning bid. Remember, there were two opposing parties bidding auction style for the tv rights, something that doesn't happen for soccer.

begic wants the profile of AFL to give way to mens gymnastics.

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter why? Because 7 and 10 are happy to exlude them so they get exclusive rights to all the games and don't need to share with Foxtel. This point actually works against you, because 7 and 10 have realised they will get enough viewers to make the (record) investment worthwhile without needing Foxtel's money as well. So, in summary, why are they getting "canned" as you put it? Because they were not part of the winning bid. Remember, there were two opposing parties bidding auction style for the tv rights, something that doesn't happen for soccer.

Well then that answers my question and does make sense now that you look at it. Now it looks like i've rocked your boat and now you're getting a little personal with it all. It doesn't 'work against' me, it was a point that I heard last week and wasn't sure of why, hence the reason I mentioned it and asked the question. But you've now clarified it - end of matter.

It's not like, everyone against me. At least I have the decency to be able to argue the issue with, lets see, 3 of you. Good work lads, onto the next debate. Prog's future in a trance world? yes i'm looking at you Dean...he he

rock on, and oh, be sure to buy jocks a size bigger, it can have an effect on how you discuss matters.

Expiring any time soon? maybe not...


Does it have an expiry date? Of course...


As more and more spectators get frustrated with the direction of the game and the coverage of the world game increases every year, AFL's inability to provide an international spectacle even at club level(ie. an Asian Cup etc) Pana's points does have merit...


What hurts football in Australia is its level of support by local councils... We play on a turf cricket pitch year in year out because the council cannot justify us having an all year ground when we only play in winter...


How can they justify decisions like that when the cricket club has no juniors and has 33 members on the book and yet the council pay for a curator to the ground... Meanwhile our football team has over 300 kids in the goal kick program another 150 juniors on top of that...200 women players and another 50 senior players...


ITs this beauracracy that exists in local councils which wont dissapear for decades to come.Until these knobs are buried in the turf, the game isnt going nowhere fast...

haha, footy is more homo than men's gymnastics.. ****s in tight shorts grabbing each other's balls. right up your alley pkc =)

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Originally posted by Chris Pana Now it looks like i've rocked your boat and now you're getting a little personal with it all. It doesn't 'work against' me, it was a point that I heard last week and wasn't sure of why, hence the reason I mentioned it and asked the question. But you've now clarified it - end of matter.

Rocked my boat? not at all.
Personal? not at all.
Why did I say "worked against you"? It wasn't personal, it probably woulda been better to say "works against your argument".

Remember, by your own admission this was a debate. So I am allowed (for that is the very definition of a debate) to argue your points, and I was just pointing out that the fact Foxtel's money wasn't needed by the winning bid actually strengthens the argument of AFL becoming more popular.

I mean, for fucks sake, it takes a lot more than a discussion about football to get me riled up.

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Originally posted by Chris Pana Again, here's another flag that needs to be raised. Why is fox footy looking at getting canned by the end of the year? I mean, i'd say that would be a 'sure' investment that's positively geared and i'd imagine any die hard footy supporter with Foxtel would watch this religiously? I dunno, but there's always usually a method to the madness. Cost cutting, a lack of interest in people watching the channel that have foxtel, who knows?

I think you might find that has something to do with the new TV rights rather than people not watching

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter Rocked my boat? not at all. Personal? not at all. Why did I say "worked against you"? It wasn't personal, it probably woulda been better to say "works against your argument". Remember, by your own admission this was a debate. So I am allowed (for that is the very definition of a debate) to argue your points, and I was just pointing out that the fact Foxtel's money wasn't needed by the winning bid actually strengthens the argument of AFL becoming more popular. I mean, for fucks sake, it takes a lot more than a discussion about football to get me riled up.

hehe no sweat mate, glad we went through all that. It's good to have an 'on topic' discussion as most around these parts tend to move away from the original discussion.

Anytime you're down in Melbourne let meknow so we can get out for a few brews

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Originally posted by Dean Millson I think you might find that has something to do with the new TV rights rather than people not watching

trance nutter sorted that one out for me already mate....glad we had the time to get this one nutted out...I guess our touch typing skills have increased in the course of a few hours

is this the five minute argument or the full half hour?


i wanna know how come dave gets to type ****s without it being changed to asterisks... ?

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Originally posted by Philby is this the five minute argument or the full half hour? i wanna know how come dave gets to type ****s without it being changed to asterisks... ?

you're a useless cunt if you don't know how to do that

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Originally posted by tathi you're a useless cunt if you don't know how to do that

haha
i'm not such a useless cunt now then hehe w00t
wow all this effort and excitement just to be able to swear more

but i hope you left enough room for my fist because im going to ram it into your stomach

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Originally posted by Philby haha i'm not such a useless cunt now then hehe w00t wow all this effort and excitement just to be able to swear more

i'll always have room for your fist dave

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man cricket ownz.

^^ worst sport ever.

they play it in heaven

Firstly, its not soccer, its football, AFL is not football, u can touch the ball with ur hands, u can catch the ball, which somehow defeats the purpose of calling it football imo.

secondly, i dont believe the AFL has an expiry date as such, BUTT, the way things are going with AFL, its becoming less and less of a spectacle each year, blame it on the 2 or 3 rule changes that occur every year, blame it on how week in week out the umpires enterpit an offense completely differently, or the tribunals inconsistency, or whether is just that AFL is starting to become more and more like netball. It is just not the spectacle that it was years ago, and you only needd to listen to the talk back after the games to realise that people arent following the AFL like they used to.

As for the REAL Football,u cannot compare the sport in general to AFL, its so much more tactical, the people running it are not ruining in, by trying to fine tune it every 6 months with new rules and its not a sport, football is a religion. I pray to see the day where it becomes more popular than AFL, i dont see it happening though, for this to happen the Australians have to become acustom to what the game is about, evidently after being at the greece australia game, they are a very long way away from that, hearing the australian supporters Boo, when the ball was being passed back, its hideous, if people actually knew about the game, they woudl realise the concept behind the passing back, creating space etc etc. I guess these next 2 years will be very important for both codes here, with the world cup on over the next month, the A league taking off like it did in its first season, then with the asian cup qualifiers coming up over the next 6 - 8 months, then the asian cup, its bound to generate more and more interest in australia, because australians are sports mad, and australians will support there country. Slowly slowly the narrow minded comments like andrew demetriou's comment the other day "ohh yeh they had 95,000, well 2nite we are hoping to have 60,000 and maybe more than one goal will be scored, have to be erradicated because the dickhead probably doesnt realise that half the nation wont be watching the AFL in a couple of weeks in order to get sleep to wake up in time to watch the World Cup

World Cup = The Most watched sporting event in the world


Ok there are my 2 cents worth on the Football vs AFL debate.


ps: Rugby is just plain shit, and not even worth a mention

^^ Rugby is alot better than AFL but they're both shit compared to real Football

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