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I have studied a lot of philosophy in university including an entire course specifically about the existence of god.

There are a number of arguments such as intelligent design and the ontological argument which make it very hard to argue that god doesn't exist.

However in any argument I came across what is proven is that the existence of an all perfect being exists. I never read anything that suggests that the type of god you might want to worship, like the gods depicted in many organized religions exists.

So my answer is that I do believe in an all perfect being, but not in the christian or any other religions god.

I have some interesting articles on the topics, if anyone is interested in them feel free to pm me and i'll see if i can get you a copy.

Intelligent design is nothing more than thinly-veiled creationism with some "science" thrown over top of it to seem legitimate.

the poll is a dead split

Do you believe in a god that satisfies?
Do you believe in a god that opens eyes?
Do you believe in a god that tells you lies?
Or do you believe in me?

Do you believe in a god that brings you down?
Do you believe in a god that wears a crown?
Do you believe in a god that makes you bow?
Or do you believe in me?

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Originally posted by shanny However in any argument I came across what is proven is that the existence of an all perfect being exists.

Oh - you mean like the "Q".

Yea, I love the Q. I'd totally believe in them! Omnipotence at its' GREATEST!

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Originally posted by shanny I have studied a lot of philosophy in university including an entire course specifically about the existence of god. There are a number of arguments such as intelligent design and the ontological argument which make it very hard to argue that god doesn't exist. However in any argument I came across what is proven is that the existence of an all perfect being exists. I never read anything that suggests that the type of god you might want to worship, like the gods depicted in many organized religions exists. So my answer is that I do believe in an all perfect being, but not in the christian or any other religions god. I have some interesting articles on the topics, if anyone is interested in them feel free to pm me and i'll see if i can get you a copy.

Wouldn't the arguments have to be convincing, otherwise they would more or less just be statements?

There is no proof of that being, so at best it's a theory. Possibly a very cohesive and well thought out theory, but just a theory. The one thing that science has going for it is that it is always predicated on the fact that it is fallible, so rather than say something is absolute, it says is it is open to change, just prove it, until then it is a theory. Science, however, is very bad and saying whether something should be done, because it never intentioned to make that judgement.

I voted option 3. Sometimes i think i do and other times i think i don't... I was raised as a practicing Catholic until i was 16 but stopped going to church after that (except for christmas mass). It's a tough choice for me, i'm almost too science-minded to believe in it but sometimes i can't help but hope there _is_ a God.

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Originally posted by simms327 perhaps change "do you believe in god" to "do you beleive in a higher power/supreme being" xenu ftw.

+1

There definitely has to be some higher power...and that higher power is potrayed to be God..

And yes, the world is too wonderful to be created by chance and quoted earlier. How did the universe begin????

I believe that there is a god and Jesus Christ is his son.

I do believe that there is a god.
I was not raised in a religious family as both of my parents are agnostic.
Although I cant really say im catholic, because I am niether baptized, and also because I have my own set of beliefs, the religion I could prolly say im closest to would be catholisism.

aahahaha!^^

this rises another question: do you believe that there is a hell?

you know that place where if we do something bad we're gonna fry on a pan for our afterlife? with that big red guy whooping our ass?

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Originally posted by 5hiftn6ears

Top notch Steve, top notch.

Do I believe in God as described in various religious texts? Absolutely not.

Do I believe in a higher being...some kind of superior, alien life form about which we will never understand? Most definitely.

I voted no.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 My thoughts are as follows: The tighter the leash, the wilder the dog.

I tend to agree with you on this. I mean, it isn't ALWAYS the case, but I think more often than not, once the kid gets older, they rebel against what they had shoved down their throats growing up.

I have an over-bearingly religious family, and I have watched my cousins rebel against their parents because of this.

EDIT: I believe in a higher power that we do not understand. If you wanna call that God, then yes, I believe in God.

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Originally posted by 5hiftn6ears

Fucking brilliant. I love Putty!

He's one of the best characters on that show! So great. and funny.

Some of you with your comments on origins could do well to brush up on memetic theory, amongst other things. Issues such as the Catholic dislike of condoms or the Jewish ban on pork can easily be explained when you have the proper historic context.

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Originally posted by basilisk Some of you with your comments on origins could do well to brush up on memetic theory, amongst other things. Issues such as the Catholic dislike of condoms or the Jewish ban on pork can easily be explained when you have the proper historic context.

very true. reasons behind their prohibition date back to policies that arose in different times where there were concerns that dont face us today.

they're still around out of traditions created long-past..

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Originally posted by HypnotEyez aahahaha!^^ this rises another question: do you believe that there is a hell? you know that place where if we do something bad we're gonna fry on a pan for our afterlife? with that big red guy whooping our ass?

You misunderstand hell. The image of hell that most of us have comes from the analogy Dante used in his epic Inferno to describe the pain and agony of hell. Hell (according to the bible) is not a physical location of fire and brimstone (sp?), rather hell is a state of existance outside of God's love. This is not to say that God does not love those who exist in this state, (scripture tell us) he does, rather those that exist outside of God's love do so because they have rejected that love. As all joy/happyness/love is simply a manifestation of God's love (the source of all love according to Christianity) a rejection of God's love is a rejection of everything that brings joy/happyness/love. In short, hell is a state of existance in which one experiences none of those feelings that make existance worthwhile.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard God's love (the source of all love according to Christianity) a rejection of God's love is a rejection of everything that brings joy/happyness/love. In short, hell is a state of existance in which one experiences none of those feelings that make existance worthwhile.

Man, I'm glad I"m not dependant on god for my happiness. That would blow.

Independent happiness is great.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar Man, I'm glad I"m not dependant on god for my happiness. That would blow. Independent happiness is great.

No no no, you have it wrong. God is the source of love as God is love. To accept love is to accept God, whether you identify that as what you are doing or not. To enter the state of hell one must reject all love thereby rejecting every form of God. If there is any truth to the tennents of christianity then your happiness is dependant on your acceptance of God's love in some form, however, your choice is independent. You choose love or you don't but happyness cannot exist in the absence of love and love cannot exist in the absence of God.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard No no no, you have it wrong. God is the source of love as God is love. To accept love is to accept God, whether you identify that as what you are doing or not. To enter the state of hell one must reject all love thereby rejecting every form of God. If there is any truth to the tennents of christianity then your happiness is dependant on your acceptance of God's love in some form, however, your choice is independent. You choose love or you don't but happyness cannot exist in the absence of love and love cannot exist in the absence of God.

You are misguided in your thoughts. That is an absurd notion, IMO.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar You are misguided in your thoughts. That is an absurd notion, IMO.

How so? Please elaborate.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard How so? Please elaborate.

The idea that love is something that IS god or stems from him/her/it or whatever is ridiculous to me.

Love is simply a state of feeling. An emotion. Same as hate. Same as jealousy. It just exists bc we exist and are capable to feeling as such.
(same as you believe god just exists -- something i differ with you on)

there is not higher power in the universe that formed shit.

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