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lol, getting upset are we?
Hey, I was insulted first off by you, as anyone who uses drugs responsibly should be.. Your first reply, this is quoted from what you said:
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| ...then u said that it implys that all drug users are bad people...well that is not entirely false...the majority of people who use drugs tend to be criminals or degenerates..that is a fact...and drugs have shown OVER AND OVER again that they lead to criminal behavior...NOT all the time...but the majority of time... |
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| And why is that i posted proof of the corralation between drug use and crime and you wont even reply about it...and u call me one sided....i showed u tons of proof and stats... |
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| i dont wanna argue with you either....i really dont...infact...and i will act in the manner of your earlier posts to me...I think you are a complete idiot and i pray to God you dont preach your pathetic retoric to kids.... |
So your manner wasn't very nice now was it? The fact you think I'm an idiot doesn't bother me one bit, insults only hurt if they come by people I respect, and I think you know that I don't have any respect for you | quote: |
| so dont call me one sided you havent addressed my stats nor have you given one reason why drugs are good or beneficial....you arguement was a joke I will agree with you that DEVBERT had some good points and tlaked in a manner that is normal as oppose to you that jumped down my throat...how sad you,...hes 17 and is not involved in the prodrug thing as you are and his point was VERY clear..your point is a waste of space on TA.....all you did was rant and tave that i am dumb....that jus shows your ignorance and shows WHY ur efforts will go absolutley nowhere.....get a new hobby...your argument is lacking |
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 DUDE...beleive me when i say i have had fun with drugs back in the day...i am 24 now and i guess i out grew it.....but through all the years i experimented i never gained anything and neither did ANY of my friends...some lost jobs, some drop out of school, some stole and 2 died...thats not saying thats like everyone...but its just in my experiences i have seen only bad come from them in the long term....yes they are fun to do but in the end whats the point.... I RESPECT YOUR opnion alot...i liked your arguemnet and you had some REALLY good points that are still making me think....seriously for someone as young as yourself you showed me things i hadent seen before...maybe you should take over Thor's website and efforts..because if you made me think you could make aLOT of peole think...Thor's approach was very hardcore and had no basis except that he was prodrugs,... I hope you and I have no hard feelings toward each other...and i thank you for sharing your opinion with me...be cool man |
boy I'm soooooooo glad my parents gave birth to me in Holland
PARADISE!!!!!!!!! TOLERANCE!!!!!! WOOHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
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| Originally posted by Devbert Hehe, you have to admit though: Trance is fucking awesome when your stoned! |
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| Originally posted by Miss Proximus boy I'm soooooooo glad my parents gave birth to me in Holland PARADISE!!!!!!!!! TOLERANCE!!!!!! WOOHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! |
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 you said this "Why is it that if I'm 21 or older, I can smoke 10 packs of cigs a day, drink 2 gallons of Jack Daniels, then eat 4 cubes of butter wrapped in bacon, yet I can't smoke a joint?" .....WELL because its the LAW in America....laws that have been set forth to to rectify a safe and normal society...that the MAJORITY of American citizens agree upon....yes there are the few moderate drug users who use soft drugs who are not hurting anyone but it is still the law... |
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 I can see that marijuana could be lagal but not those other drugs...maybe u guys should go visit the hospital and take a look at a crack baby or go to a psyc-ward and visit all the people who took mind-altering drugs that can no-longer function in our world cus they are far gone... |
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 ...or maybe u should go to crime scene where people are beaten or murdered for drugs...then u might have a glimpse of what drugs do... |
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 drugs should not be legal...and u CAN NOT compare the effects of Crack, Coke, PCP, Dust, Shrooms, Crank, or Acid to the effects of cigarrettes...those drugs are mind altering garbage that in most cases lead to violence, crime, and/or poverty....they are no good and to make them legal would do absolutley nothing but cause more problems.... |
). Supply would go waaaay up, price would go waaaay down, and people wouldnt have to rob a gas station or mug someone in the street to get money for some weed. No longer would cops have to die trying to fight a fight even THEY say is pointless! Imagine if you woke up tomorrow and cigerettes and alcohol were outlawed. How many people would be robbed just so someone could afford a nice mug of beer? How many people would get shot because tobacco farmers had to move to mexico or columbia or something, farm their crop, deal with rival farmers, smuggle it back into the U.S, and have shootouts with the cops in the trying to get it there? I bet the reason they dont ban cigs/beer is 50% because people would be in an uproar, and 50% becuase our legislation gets all sorts of cash from taxes and kickbacks and what not from tobacco farmers and breweries. The gov't could just sit back and tax the shit out of drugs like they do to beer and cigs. Then they can use those taxes for useful things, like setting up rehab centers for people who _really_ need help (they should do this anyways from beer/cig tax). | quote: |
| Originally posted by tiesto14 I HAVE SEEN 2 FRIENDS DIE OF DRUGS...1 FROM "E" AND THE OTHER FROM ACID THAT MADE HIM JUMP OUT OF A FUCKING WINDOW TO HIS DEATH |
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| Originally posted by apri_peelthese kinds of ads are there for a reason, they were inteded to be stupid. see, a regular ad against smoking or drugs wouldnt make you go 'OMG this ad is soooooo dumb' but these ones do. they are noticible (what the gov't wants), ppl see them and talk about them with their friends eventually talking about smoking and drugs and discussing issues associated with them as well as their effects (what the gov't wants). |
). Theyre just like all those "join the army" commercials that seem to have quadrupled since 9/11 (do you ever pay attention to those either?). Ask your (Grand)parents about it, theyll tell you all about the Uncle Sam "I want you" posters and whatnot. ) )
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 ...tiesto looks like he is a "cracked out heroin addcit that wants to rob me" |
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 LOL LOL...nah i like it better drunk then stoned.,...LOL LOL and Thor thank you but i grauated college....and sorry i was so broad in my FIRST post.. ok guys forget this shit.....i think we have all gone too far on this one reminds me of the war on terrorism posts....anyway lets end it on a good note.... so i am sorry if i offended anyone and someone tell me how to chnge my avator back to my old one...tiesto looks like he is a "cracked out heroin addcit that wants to rob me" |
Off to sleepy I go.
Well I debated with you gentlemen, I managed to read half of Hamlet, write an essay on the "Players" speech, download some new trance, do 100 push-ups and 200 sit-ups, all the while listening to the first 6 hours of DJ Tiesto - Live @ Dutch Dimension.
A good night had by all. I'll check back in the morning to see if any more flame wars have started
Get some sleep people 
hehe. P/O
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| Originally posted by ABTsportsline are you saying that its good to do drugs Tiesto14? and BTW to change your avatar, just go to user options and at the bottom where the avatar controls are, click "custom avatar", then enter in the URL where your new avatar is. TA will save it on its hard drive so its not remotely loaded everytime. -ABT- |
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| Originally posted by Thor Cool, I hate when things get heated, debating shouldn't be about insults etc, and I am guilty of that unfortunately this time... But please do take the time to read that thread "Drugs (tripping on NRG)" .. It was a long thread, but an interesting one.. It made me realize using 'legalization' broadly as a term to be very wrong, and now I am very carefull to only say decriminalization I take back what I said about not respecting you, in fact you remind me VERY much of how I was when I was around 21, hugely anti-drugs but not dumb about it. Anyhow, no hard feelings, I just think this all got off on the wrong foot. |
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| Originally posted by biznology The war on drugs is completely misguided... late/ |
Wow, i Just spent the last 45 minutes reading through this thread. Very interesting debate. In the event that it will be continuing, I look forward in participating. If it wasn't so late right now, I would probably post about it now, but since i don't want to jump in without proper factual support and a clear and feasible argument, I will hold off until the next chance I get to sit down and gather thoughts and facts. Until then gentlemen...
We need to get a weekly debate going in the chill room about current events. Debating is good stuff.
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| Originally posted by Devbert We need to get a weekly debate going in the chill room about current events. Debating is good stuff. |
Hehe, create another Trancaddict Alias and keep backing yourself up under the psuedonym in order to make yourself sound smarter
Here's some good reading, firstly an answer to some common drug war myths such as the one about legalization/decriminalization showing big increases in drug use (just not true)...
http://www.csdp.org/research/dwdist.htm
The UK abandoning the 'Just say No' anti-drug campaign in favor of real education.. (this is why I was so snippy about your comments earlier with Reagan's Just So No campaign)
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v02/n380/a07.html?397
more info on that subject, an article called "Scotland Minsters Declare War on Drugs is Over"
http://www.mapinc.org/norml/v02/n374/a10.htm
A good example of how the USA won't even use logic in policy, the heated debate of "Hemp Farming" ... Hemp is a non-active brother to marijuana, this plant when farmed can be used in foods, made into clothing.. Once hemp farming was prolific, but due to drug paranoia its been banned in the USA.. Even though the rest of the world makes a distinction between hemp and marijuana, the US government chooses to ignore science and logic
http://www.mapinc.org/norml/v02/n344/a07.htm?134
Reaction to the Superbowl ads and the White house policy, really good article
http://www.mapinc.org/norml/v02/n334/a10.htm?134
Again, a great starting point for articles/stories involving drugs. Remember most of these articles are from news sources, this isn't pro-drug articles, but of course read anything with a grain of salt.
http://www.csdp.org/
Oh, this was something worth checking too, stats on deaths in the USA... This shows how low drug related deaths are:
http://www.csdp.org/ads/causes.htm
The Racial problem with the US System and illegal drugs:
http://www.csdp.org/ads/kids.htm
The problem in perspective << I love this one
http://www.csdp.org/ads/keepdrug.htm
Do we focus on the right drugs?
http://www.csdp.org/ads/compare.htm
A POLICE VIEW ON THE
WAR ON DRUGS
Statement of Chief Hubert Williams,
President, Police Foundation, March 25, 1999
The president of the 'Police Foundation' speaks out against the drug war...
http://www.csdp.org/ads/police.htm
Proof on how a smart approach to drugs like in the Netherlands can not only solve many drug war problems, but have lower levels of drug use than the USA..
http://www.csdp.org/ads/dutch2.htm
Some Marijuana myths debunked
http://www.csdp.org/ads/mjtruth.htm
Drug Czar Mcaffery caught in one of his many lies, saying the Dutch drug policy doesn't work (cough cough, bullshit)
http://www.csdp.org/ads/dutch.htm
How Truth seems to be hard to find in the Drug War, more cases of Mcaffery pulling his best Pinochio impression.
http://www.csdp.org/ads/pinocchio.htm
Ok, thats plenty of food for thought. Remember one very important thing, these articles are put together by a pro-drug reform group, but they use statistics that the US government, FDA, etc.. have compiled
Statistics can exagerate and sometimes lie, but you'll see one thing common amongst these links is that many sources are used.
Sooo anyone check those links out?
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| Originally posted by Thor Sooo anyone check those links out? |
Good stuff. Nice information. Lots of it too.
I like how much of it is laid out nicely to read, so that people who read it don't have to read an essay to get an idea of the situation.
I especially love the comparisons to the Dutch, considering how well they do with illegal drugs, its quite eye opening to see the drug czar Mcaffery saying its worse over there.. The boss of the drug war who doesn't know what he's saying, that can't be good
Yes I found them statistics very intresting Thor
About the problems of drugs in society, I've got some little facts myself, from crime figures in London about arrests made, over 90% of violent crimes in Central London were caused by people under the influence of alcohol, 5% were sober people, 3% were mentally ill, and only 2% were under the influence of drugs.
Legalising Cannabis in the UK would be a great thing for starters we are over taxed the tax here in the UK is major, now if the government legislated it and taxed Cannabis the government has more money and less of a problem for the police to focus on. It cost �10 roughly for an eigth here, and probably under a third of that is going into growing of the plants, the rest is making the dealers and distributors rich, giving them more richs to run empires, buy guns (adding to murder rate because they have rivals), and setting up criminal networks, now you think if the government employed farmers to grow it, firstly it will create work solving umemployment in farming regions, also a hefty amount of the money would go into the budget stopping people from being over taxed, and putting money into the Health Service, Schools, the Police force etc.
Now Speed, and E is a harder issue to tackle, because occasionally people die, now think of it like this, the deaths involving E in the UK have either involved mixing with other drugs i.e GHB, or crude pills made out of cheap chemicals. Now if the government decriminalised it they could easily prevent a vast majority of deaths, if it was made under government supervision if they had labs and they manufactured it, make correct pills of MDMA, then we wouldn't have pills on the street that kill people, legislate and tax it then it stops the dealers from getting rich and puts most of them out of business, then more money can be pumped into the budget, E is a class A drug in the UK and their looking to bring it down to Class B, Police claim their wasting their time busting people for taking it. And once its legalised you start up an agency simular to the ATF that enforce the laws on it, and make sure that the government get all the profit it making it.
Now look If you get rid of them 3 drugs, now the police has the time to tackle the drugs which cause crimes Herion, Crack Cocaine, and crystal Meth, there the drugs which cause misery, and suffering, there the drugs that cause the crime, I know areas in my town which are havens for Herion addicts my friend went to visit a member of her family who lives in one of these areas, and people are taping fucking syringes to banisters in high rise flat stairwells, the Herion trade starts from the East in countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan and it travels all the way through the west going through a big clandestine network, and trust me this drug is nasty I know 3 people who I used to go to school with who are hooked on the stuff, and I wouldn't even notice them on the street they look like AIDS victims. I would love to see this drug go out of the society and has a history like the whole British Navy were addicted to it, and had a war with China over it but those days are long gone, its not like a packet of cigarettes like it was back then, it makes big drug barons rich out of other peoples misery.
And the same goe's for Crack Cocaine thats bigger in America then the UK, but people still use it here, and the Gangsters and Drug cartels are the people who make the profit, and if its not causing havoc in your country look at the region of Medellin in Columbia a few years ago. if the lighter drugs are decrimalised then the police can chase the big fish who deal with the shitty drugs.
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