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I guess that you could say that there is still some real drugs in parties over here, but none of them are being sold, there all headies hehe

man you guys make me laugh.

You are each voicing your own opinions about a subject, and then attacking each other for having those opinions.... LoL.... and these are the TA natives. Come on guys. Let people say what they want to say instead of everyone living in fear of being ridiculed....

what i've noticed reading 3rd person in this thread is the "pro-drug" users are in a "seeming" defense-mode attacking everyone who says they don't use drugs. Unless you get personally attacked, why do you feel the need to attack others? Oh yah, must be all the drugs.


LoL, jk.

Calm down people.... all you druggies, smoke a spliff or somethin

-ABT-

Hey, I'm not attacking anyone, i'm just telling how things are over here

ABT..this military stuff is playing with your head!!!

No-one is attacking anyone!! We're just trying to talk about a delicate subject here..no need to ruin it there buddy

You wanna fight?

*sits back a lights up, goin to join MIss P*

I party drug free too! Always have, and always will, but to each his own Trance is my only drug, and I am extremely addicted

Exactally Miss Proximus! Them's fightin' werds!! Here is a question for you Miss Proximus. All of my friends have been to Amsterdam like twice and shit, and I'm am gonna go sometime in the near future, i was wondering when do you think i should come down.... i mean like what in your opinion is the best party in Amsterdam every year?? I might as well go there when some awesome party is happening!!!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 ok that is a stupid statement...saying that u bought stuff from people u didnt know and you are still here and u didnt die... its like Russian roulette...yes u may have a gun that holds 6 bullets with 1 bullet in it and yes u may put that gun to your head and pull the trigger 5 times and nothing happens...but that bullet is still out there waiting to get you....it may take many tries to get it ot it may take just 1...dont be that naive

I was just playing baby

As I said earlier, my dealers are my friends, but I did buy some stuff from strangers in the old days....but I think some of us had already concluded that the drug-scenes in Holland (Europe even maybe) and the US are quite different!

But I'm not in denial or smth...I see the risks and I mainly try to avoid them (I'm a liar...how can I try to avoid risks if I just swallowed the biggest risk )
Anyway....I hope everyone out there knows what he/she is doing, and not only when taking drugs, but also when drinking, or having unsafe sex etc...or even playing wiv daddy's gun or so....life is full of risks..ouch! my wrist starts to hurt..I'm goin to bed (finally)

Nite nite TA-kewlies


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Originally posted by Freeza All of my friends have been to Amsterdam like twice and shit, and I'm am gonna go sometime in the near future, i was wondering when do you think i should come down.... i mean like what in your opinion is the best party in Amsterdam every year?? I might as well go there when some awesome party is happening!!!

I'd say go to Sensation! Sensation White (dresscode) = on the 6th of July, and is for trance/prog geeks, and Sensation Black (dresscode) is on July 13 and mainly for Techno/Hardtrance/NL Hardhouse geeks

Dancevalley (Aug. 3)is an outdoor day-festival but it's somehow sold out before the presale date has started off

Then there's hopefully the Awakenings-festival again, same hours as Dancevalley, same area....only prolly in the end of August, It's a techno-festival.

Other than that I'll have to look on some party-agenda's tomorrow
Very sleepy rite now

Anyway...feel free to pm me for more info
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Originally posted by Miss Proximus ABT..this military stuff is playing with your head!!! No-one is attacking anyone!! We're just trying to talk about a delicate subject here..no need to ruin it there buddy You wanna fight?

no i don't want to fight. I just think (and please if anyone disagrees with THIS, let me know) that if someone says they don't need drugs to enjoy trance, they are NOT saying that *you* DO need drugs to enjoy trance, or that its pathetic if you do. They are simply stating about THEMSELVES. There has been like 2-3 people in this thread that have been attacked that didn't say "you are weak if you need drugs to enjoy trance", or anything of the sort! They just stated that they didn't personally use drugs. YET their comments get quoted and they get drilled by the "defenders".

Not to mention look at the TITLE OF THE THREAD! most of the people who have posted in here have been attacking (or quoting and drilling, pick whichever sounds better to you) those who have honestly replied that they don't do drugs at parties. Well, if you do casual drugs at parties, then why are you getting involved in the discussion of this thread? its not like people in here are saying "we are better than drug users".... no conspiring going on.

I don't think you are lesser of a person if you do drugs. I do think you are lesser of a person if you criticize someone for not doing drugs.

-ABT-

Oops sorry ABT, I missunderstood you

** Does not do Drugs @ parties ! ** or anywhere else come to that . .

i do smoke an occasional cigerette and have the occasional beer but thats it . . . .

So lame.......man.......can't ppl have their opinions and the ppl not resort to flaming. Ppl behave and wake up!

Pills suck in my opinion! I tried one once and it did nothing to enhance my night. It always amuses me when u see people who have caned druz lying about in the chillout rooms when all i need is a little red bull and i am off all nite. No laying around looking like a space cake!

If this offends anyone I am sorry. Had a really bad day!

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline most of the people who have posted in here have been attacking (or quoting and drilling, pick whichever sounds better to you) those who have honestly replied that they don't do drugs at parties. Well, if you do casual drugs at parties, then why are you getting involved in the discussion of this thread? its not like people in here are saying "we are better than drug users".... no conspiring going on. I don't think you are lesser of a person if you do drugs. I do think you are lesser of a person if you criticize someone for not doing drugs. -ABT- [/B]

Well, yeah, but I think there is a subtle "holier than thou" attitude amongst some of the abstainers here (youself excluded) which is causing some the drug-users to jump onto their back foot and justify what they do. In the title, for instance, "leave your mark here if you party drug free!", there is a subtle implication that abstenance from drug use at parties is somehow demonstrative of a high moral-integrity that has been forgone by anyone who uses drugs (periodically or not) at any sort of a party.

To make it a bit more simple, take a look at the stance taken by some teetotallers (though, let me stress, not by all) where simply because they have chosen to go down a certain path, they assume they have a right to patronise those who do decide to drink alcohol. Their logic is that alcohol leads to violence, debauchery and, ultimately, to self-destruction. It damages the body, breaks up homes and contributes little good to society. Now, in a somewhat spurious sense, they are right. Alcohol does do a lot of damage. It kills a lot of people, and harms the lives of so many more. How many times have we all woken up from a big night out and immediately regretted something we'd done while under the influence? From this perspective, it's hard to think about anything good to say about alcohol at all. From the perspective of an outsider - one who has never drank - the consumption of alcohol must seem like a great evil. It doesn't cure cancer, it doesn't make anyone a better person, it just, in the long run, causes a lot of damage to a lot of people.

But this is where you kinda need to look behind the rhetoric and really analyse what's going on. Sure alcohol does do a lot of damage, but to what percentage of users? To what kind of users? Does going out to the pub after work for a few beers to any damage at all? The teetotaller perspective would be that you shouldn't need alcohol to unwind at all, but isn't that missing the point? If you've never drank alcohol before, how can you possibly have formed such an absolutist perspective? "I've never needed alcohol to unwind, therefore there must be something wrong with you". But they miss the point: the occasional beer isn't going to cause any damage to anyone, but excess consumption of beer over a prolonged period is likely to cause damage. There's nothing wrong with going to the pub and consuming one or two beers, but there is something wrong with going to the pub every day and consuming 10 or 20. Teetotallers fail to make this distinction between use and abuse, but it's still hard to justify any sort of alcohol consumption to them at all - I mean, what do you tell them? "I enjoy the feeling of getting drunk". Well that must mean that you must have some problems in your life that you need to escape, yeah? Shouldn't you be drunk on life? "It helps me relax/unwind/socialise". Shouldn't you be able to do all these things without alcohol though?

It's hard to justify the use of alcohol to those who don't use it, simply because it's impossible for them to understand how alcohol enhances the moment. I can enjoy myself without alcohol, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy consuming it anyway. Alcohol does cause a lot of damage, but only if it's used the wrong way. For everyone who dies from alcohol abuse, there's a thousand more enjoying, sensibly, for it for what it is, whether they're capable of justifying its use to the teetotallers or not.

Look, anyway, I'm not going to labour the point. I'm sure if you've read between the lines you'll understand my perspective on drug use by now, so I guess I'll just leave it at that. Each to their own.

Anyone fancy a pint?

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Miss i am sorry if i offended u in any way....you seem to be very nice...but i think i went off too hard on you and Biz because of the way Thor is talking to me in another thread about drugs....you both are NOT being rude to me nor have you insulted me in anyway...UNLIKE Thor who feels he needs to....so i apologize to you both...jus be safe

Yeah, your such a nice guy.. Your original post in my thread said that the majority of drug users are criminals and degenerates ...

So deal with it, I give respect to people that don't say ignorant and hatefull things just like you did..

People here know me, they know that I am passionate about educating people on drugs, you sir a fear monger who knows very little about what you speak of..

You have a lot to learn.

I party drug free and smoke free...though I drink sometimes.

I'm out...<---

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Originally posted by Spad So does that mean that you're never going to have sex again? I mean sex is great fun! But then you can have fun just by listening to Trance right? So why bother taking the emotional risk of having sex with somebody, not to mention the risk of STD's. Anyway you get what I mean.

hehe.....very eloquently stated....yeah...

i'm more than happy with listening and dancing to trance, as of now it's my choice not to 'drugs'...although i drink (usually friday or saturday nite when i go out) but not too heavily, although i'm aware too much alcohol aint good either....so yeah...

>JM<

I used to party with drugs now im at parties im too hammered to get a pill in my mouth or something up my nose =)....lol

but i still do smoke the weed and once in a while i take a pill...but i can seriously say i dont and never again will pack my nose with anything

i used to party w/ drugs.. now i just drink.. but when i go see trance dj's.. i am sober.. just high off the music

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Originally posted by Thor Yeah, your such a nice guy.. Your original post in my thread said that the majority of drug users are criminals and degenerates ... So deal with it, I give respect to people that don't say ignorant and hatefull things just like you did.. People here know me, they know that I am passionate about educating people on drugs, you sir a fear monger who knows very little about what you speak of.. You have a lot to learn.

dude you have SERIOUS issues...sorry but it has been prooven time and tiem again theat drug users (the majority which Miss and You are NOT) are criminals and degenerates...do you understand what the word MAJORITY means...it DOESNT mean ALL it means if you took all the drug users in the world then split up the criminals with the good people...you would have more criminals...that doesnt mean that ALL are bad....

You call me a fear monger...hahahhaha..well atleast i am going to read your articles..you on the other hand look at the first sentence of proof that i set forth and denounce it right off the bat....you wont even TRY and listen and be logical...you want to inform people about drugs...then by all means do it...but if i wanna inform people that drugs lead to nothing but SHIT then how dare you put me down for doing do..are you so high and mighty that your opinion means more then mine...

Education is one thing....but being CLOSE MINDED is another...i have seen first hand what drugs do in MANY instances..from friends usage, to my own experimentaion, to my brothers heavy usage, to articles i read in the newspapers and deaths and arrests i see on the TV ALL due to drugs...yes there are some people who use drugs and do NO harm to anyone else..but thats not who i am talking about...

I see you are very passionate about drugs,,,thats very strange to have such a passion for substances that in more cases then not lead to no good...maybe you should take your efforts and use them towards keeping kids in school...no wait thjats right u want kids to be free to experiment with drugs.,...fuck school...it would get in the way...i wonder how many kids a year drop out of school due to getting involved with drugs...it must be staggerng....

so keep ranting and raving and putting me down...its ok...i will just sit back and laugh at your pathetic efforts...cus they really are a joke...grow up and face reality without a substance to help you and maybe you will see what life is all about...cus the more and more you post the more i am begining to think you are some loser who sits home and concocts theorys on how or why drugs should be legal inorder to give meaning to your pathetic life as avid drug user....

and why dont u show reasons why drugs would be better legal then illegal..you have yet to do so...i have shown why they are bad...the only reason you seem to give for them being legal is because the drug war is a failure and its your right....well when your right stops hurting the people who want to live in society with rules that are written and unwritten and can maintain normal behavior using drugs then maybe we can make it legal...but we all know that cant happen...

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline I don't think you are lesser of a person if you do drugs. I do think you are lesser of a person if you criticize someone for not doing drugs. -ABT-

Wow ABT~! WELL SAID.

I go sober all the time now. Ive had my chemical fun.....Ive escaped un-harmed so why push it?

Renegade, you have a great point, although it still is from a defensive point of view. (about the reactions in this thread)

Some people do brag about not using drugs like they're better. This i agree with. I was not defending everyone that doesn't do drugs... I was defending the 2 or 3 people in this thread that simply answered the question then were drilled by others for it....

People, remember there are 2 fine lines we are teeter-tottering on here....

1) the difference between using drugs and abusing them.... (big difference)

2) the difference between casual drug users and habitual drug users..... (again, big difference)

So as i stated in the other thread, i think Thor and Tiesto14 need to keep the debate civilized instead of throwing insults back and forth.

keepin the peace
-ABT-

i haven't dropped in like 6 months. i haven't gotten drunk in like a year (i've had a social drink or two). as of late...i've been having a good time being sober but still hang with friends who either get high or drunk. am i finished w/ e? i dunno. i just haven't had the feeling to want to do it. i love to dance, but i can't do that if i'm high or drunk. but that's just me. i still have a good time and just because someone is high or drunk doesn't mean i won't talk to them or look down upon them...that's their choice. i have made those decisions in the past, so why would i be better than them.

one of my favorite compliments people have given me when i'm sober is, you've got a wicked vibe. i just love it when people say that to me. or people think i'm high cause i won't stop dancing. for me, i can reach a different sense of euphoria without chemicals. i don't say that to show off or anything, i say that with a sense of self worth and pride.

...it's late, i've run outta steam, no more ranting

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline People, remember there are 2 fine lines we are teeter-tottering on here.... 1) the difference between using drugs and abusing them.... (big difference) 2) the difference between casual drug users and habitual drug users..... (again, big difference) So as i stated in the other thread, i think Thor and Tiesto14 need to keep the debate civilized instead of throwing insults back and forth. keepin the peace -ABT-

Well i tryed to keep the peace but he jumped down my thoat calling me ignorant and this and that.....so i responded...

And you are right....i am NOT talking about casual drug users who smoke pot once and awhile or a kid at a rave who takes E every blue moon...i am talking about the users who are a danger to our society the ones who commit crimes..HENCE the MAJORITY....

i have given a very good resourse to back up my claims and he still cals that bullshit..so argueing with him is pointless he is on a cruasade or soemthing...i dunno...but then he comes back at me saying the US Justice Dept is not a credible sourse and posts links to half ass organizations that have nowhere near the same credentials as the USDJ...

i read all those links and soem things i agree with and some i dont...but my opnion is that drugs do NO good for our world...if they are used for MEDICINAL purposes then they do..other then that they are poisonous crap like alcohol and tobacco...

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