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Posted by Mike_Foyle on Jul-19-2006 23:35:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J

i often agree with your posts when i see them around but you are being pathetic at the mo. there is no need for you to be posting in this thread. You are being provocative and there is no need for it. its not just you and its not just this thread. people need to stop being so political about all this crap and just enjoy what you enjoy, and let others enjoy what they enjoy. that way peoples differences in taste will never really have a negative impact on anyone else.

back on topic. I think its nice when a label releases a compilation packed with full length playable tracks. especially when most of them have only ever seen a vinyl release. some people prefer cds to vinyl.

Posted by trancedanne on Jul-19-2006 23:49:

wow some people just take music to seriously, im so glad im not one of them.. Enjoy the music & be happy, i dont give a fuck what people think about my music taste, as long im happy with it thats all that matters

Posted by JasonThomas on Jul-19-2006 23:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Foyle
i often agree with your posts when i see them around but you are being pathetic at the mo. there is no need for you to be posting in this thread. You are being provocative and there is no need for it. its not just you and its not just this thread. people need to stop being so political about all this crap and just enjoy what you enjoy, and let others enjoy what they enjoy. that way peoples differences in taste will never really have a negative impact on anyone else.

back on topic. I think its nice when a label releases a compilation packed with full length playable tracks. especially when most of them have only ever seen a vinyl release. some people prefer cds to vinyl.

for the love of god yes.

well done.

Posted by isoterra on Jul-20-2006 00:08:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Not automatically no, but that isn't what you said. You said they'd discard these tracks because they're outdated and scarcely familiar. How exactly can a classic be outdated? And if someone discards something because it isn't familiar, then they're being close-minded. How the fuck will they ever expand their tastes if they discount anything unfamiliar?

i'll forgive you for misinterpreting me since i was somewhat ambiguous..

i meant 'outdated' in terms of the production quality; ALOT of people value it, and find it hard listening to older stuff when the music they're used to is so much tougher & cleaner with tighter instruments & a fuller stereo field. i don't want to get into a debate regarding that since i'm fully aware of the opposing arguments (production shouldn't matter when the music is good/older rougher sounding stuff has more character to it, etc etc).. but it's an issue nonetheless

and 'scarely familiar' referred more to the style; trance back then was practically a different genre, which the music of the ASOT generation drafts little influence from. my point was that fans of ASOT trance like their music because of characteristics that might not be present in the majority of older trance... so including older trance in a collection of ASOT trance would be irrelevant to a degree. i think it's pretty safe to assume the majority of tracks on this cd will be from around the 98-99 era, since that period has shaped the current trance scene more than those prior to it

conclusively i'd argue that anyone with a sound knowledge of trance from ~97 onwards would have a valid enough insight for this cd

Posted by isoterra on Jul-20-2006 00:13:

quote:
Originally posted by trancedanne
wow some people just take music to seriously, im so glad im not one of them.. Enjoy the music & be happy, i dont give a fuck what people think about my music taste, as long im happy with it thats all that matters

tis the way forward!

to be honest i've stopped caring about the state of trance, accepted that the majority of people like crap & that alot of stuff i like doesn't get acceptance/recognition. the scene's been segregated into many different paths and i just focus on the stuff i like now

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jul-20-2006 01:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Foyle
i often agree with your posts when i see them around but you are being pathetic at the mo. there is no need for you to be posting in this thread. You are being provocative and there is no need for it.

I haven't actually directly addressed anyone in a negative way for quite a few posts now. My point is that a genuinely comprehensive collection of unmixed trance classics would be an awesome thing to own, but the likelihood is that it'll be anything but, yet it'll give itself the pretentious title of "Classics" to sell a few more copies.

Posted by Ted Promo on Jul-20-2006 01:36:

Posted by r5a on Jul-20-2006 01:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Foyle
... its not just you and its not just this thread. people need to stop being so political about all this crap and just enjoy what you enjoy, and let others enjoy what they enjoy. that way peoples differences in taste will never really have a negative impact on anyone else.

Well said mate. Seconded.

Should be intresting, ASOT has been running a long fucking time (anyone want to tell me how long exaclty) so it should give them a lot to work with, I'm cerious to see what they do come up with.

Exicted.

Posted by RapidFire on Jul-20-2006 01:52:

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jul-20-2006 02:17:

quote:
Originally posted by RapidFire
silence was also written by sarach mclachlan and its more a trance classic than it is a new age/ambient one.

Delerium & Sarah, actually. And it's not a trance classic just because the Tiesto remix might be.

Posted by RapidFire on Jul-20-2006 02:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Delerium & Sarah, actually. And it's not a trance classic just because the Tiesto remix might be.

the point is both tracks were written by someone else and both were hits when they were trance records.

Posted by Mike_Foyle on Jul-20-2006 06:41:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I haven't actually directly addressed anyone in a negative way for quite a few posts now. My point is that a genuinely comprehensive collection of unmixed trance classics would be an awesome thing to own, but the likelihood is that it'll be anything but, yet it'll give itself the pretentious title of "Classics" to sell a few more copies.

your over-crtical and provocative posts arent welcomed by most of the people interested in threads like these. your general "know-it-all" attitude upsets and annoys people. we have all been made quite aware of your opinions, we are all arare that the chances are you won't like this cd. whether or not your negativity is directed at any particular individual is irrelvant, it's quite clear what message you are trying to convey and it isnt what people here want to hear. Trance music isnt the only important thing in everyones lives, not everyone has been listening to it for as long as others might have been and so of course not everyone will be as knowledgable as others about the history of trance music. But why does that matter? People who listen to A state of trance style music listen to it because they love it, they dont need anything more, they dont need something different. i cant see how anyone can justify being critical of that. It's been said so many times. If you don't like something then don't buy it. Instead of throwing a tantrum and going off on one about how you and your musical tastes are so much more advanced and clever than everyone elses, just let them be. It's not the quality of the music that is destroying the trance community as much as the negativity and competition amoungst the people who listen to it. There is no longer a close knit community as such because there are so many negative opinions and so much hatred towards other peoples preferences contaminating it. There are ways of being critical without being provocative. If you really feel the need to criticise something you havnt even heard yet then doing so in a bit more of an adult and respectful manner would be appriciated by everyone here im sure.

At the end of the day, it's not achieving anything. You moaning about a kind of music you don't like isn't going to change the fact that it exists. You are upsetting people and offending them by critisising their tastes in music. Like I said, it's by no means just you, and this is directed at alot more people than just you.

Mike

Posted by lucasp_10 on Jul-20-2006 08:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Foyle
your over-crtical and provocative posts arent welcomed by most of the people interested in threads like these. your general "know-it-all" attitude upsets and annoys people. we have all been made quite aware of your opinions, we are all arare that the chances are you won't like this cd. whether or not your negativity is directed at any particular individual is irrelvant, it's quite clear what message you are trying to convey and it isnt what people here want to hear. Trance music isnt the only important thing in everyones lives, not everyone has been listening to it for as long as others might have been and so of course not everyone will be as knowledgable as others about the history of trance music. But why does that matter? People who listen to A state of trance style music listen to it because they love it, they dont need anything more, they dont need something different. i cant see how anyone can justify being critical of that. It's been said so many times. If you don't like something then don't buy it. Instead of throwing a tantrum and going off on one about how you and your musical tastes are so much more advanced and clever than everyone elses, just let them be. It's not the quality of the music that is destroying the trance community as much as the negativity and competition amoungst the people who listen to it. There is no longer a close knit community as such because there are so many negative opinions and so much hatred towards other peoples preferences contaminating it. There are ways of being critical without being provocative. If you really feel the need to criticise something you havnt even heard yet then doing so in a bit more of an adult and respectful manner would be appriciated by everyone here im sure.

At the end of the day, it's not achieving anything. You moaning about a kind of music you don't like isn't going to change the fact that it exists. You are upsetting people and offending them by critisising their tastes in music. Like I said, it's by no means just you, and this is directed at alot more people than just you.

Mike

God, well said, this site has just turned into people that think their taste in music is so much more sophisticated than anyone else. (I'm talking about the people that you look at their profile and theres like 10-15 posts a day - well, some not all of them)

Don't like asot? no one cares, big deal, dont need to rave on and whinge about how much pvd, tiesto, armin, ferry suck nowdays (as dj's and producers)...

I bet most of the people that complain like that know jack shit about music (i mean the theory part of it, not jsut what a "breakdown" is)...and are just shitty dj's that play other peoples tracks...

In short, shut up no-one cares! Go outside and just enjoy yourself. Theres more to life then why pvd uses vocals, what the real definition of a classic is, and who writes tiesto's tracks.

Posted by DJ-Ande on Jul-20-2006 10:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Foyle
your over-crtical and provocative posts arent welcomed by most of the people interested in threads like these. your general "know-it-all" attitude upsets and annoys people. we have all been made quite aware of your opinions, we are all arare that the chances are you won't like this cd. whether or not your negativity is directed at any particular individual is irrelvant, it's quite clear what message you are trying to convey and it isnt what people here want to hear. Trance music isnt the only important thing in everyones lives, not everyone has been listening to it for as long as others might have been and so of course not everyone will be as knowledgable as others about the history of trance music. But why does that matter? People who listen to A state of trance style music listen to it because they love it, they dont need anything more, they dont need something different. i cant see how anyone can justify being critical of that. It's been said so many times. If you don't like something then don't buy it. Instead of throwing a tantrum and going off on one about how you and your musical tastes are so much more advanced and clever than everyone elses, just let them be. It's not the quality of the music that is destroying the trance community as much as the negativity and competition amoungst the people who listen to it. There is no longer a close knit community as such because there are so many negative opinions and so much hatred towards other peoples preferences contaminating it. There are ways of being critical without being provocative. If you really feel the need to criticise something you havnt even heard yet then doing so in a bit more of an adult and respectful manner would be appriciated by everyone here im sure.

At the end of the day, it's not achieving anything. You moaning about a kind of music you don't like isn't going to change the fact that it exists. You are upsetting people and offending them by critisising their tastes in music. Like I said, it's by no means just you, and this is directed at alot more people than just you.

Mike

WORD!!!!

its the down fall of what was once a friendly TA.... it never used to be this bad few years back.......

Posted by Durrrtysouth on Jul-20-2006 12:56:

I heard most of the songs from the classic set on ASOT 250 will be on this. Out of the 40 tunes that are supposed to be on this....if 5 are useable....that pretty much means you are paying normal market price (20 euro = 4 euro per tune). chances are there will be alot more than just 5 tunes that eill mske this worth PAYING FOR. Of course the leetists will complain about the 5 tunes out of the 40 that they dont like.

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jul-20-2006 13:20:

Posted by Durrrtysouth on Jul-20-2006 13:25:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Actually, this is incorrect. Where have I said that:

A) I won't like this CD.
B) I do not like ASOT related trance by default.

Not just in this thread, but ever? You're very quick to label me the pointless cynic. Believe it or not, I do like modern trance, ie: everything epic and post-epic provided it is done well. Like almost everyone else branded as a "know-it-all" and a cynic, I'm merely exercising standards.

If the tracklist is good I will probably buy this because I'm always looking for unmixed trance on CD. However, the issue here is not the quality of the music, it's whether or not Armin will have the balls to do a more comprehensive "classics" disc (and this has got fuck all to do with my opinion of a classic- if he's not going to include any tracks from an era then he's not compiling a comprehensive disc) instead of playing it safe.

So Armin goes all leet on us and puts out a CD of "comprehensive" classics that most people have not heard or know of....that still leaves people in the position of trying to find the full unmixed versions of standard classics. I would rather have a CD of 40 standards and maybe the second compilation of classics can be a bit more comprehensive. Thats my opinion.

Posted by trancedanne on Jul-20-2006 13:30:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Actually, this is incorrect. Where have I said that:

A) I won't like this CD.

well if you could take the chance to eat your hands if it turns out to be bad its pretty much a sign that you wont like this cd even if you did not mean the eat part seriously i hope..

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jul-20-2006 13:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Durrrtysouth
So Armin goes all leet on us and puts out a CD of "comprehensive" classics that most people have not heard or know of....that still leaves people in the position of trying to find the full unmixed versions of standard classics. I would rather have a CD of 40 standards and maybe the second compilation of classics can be a bit more comprehensive. Thats my opinion.

Er... I think you miss the point. There are plenty of early 90s tunes you should have heard of, and are not scary and boring at all:

Age of Love
Stella
Caf� del Mar
Dark & Long
Love Stimulation

...for example. There's no such thing as "standard" classics. These tracks are all important to the development of trance and they aren't bad tracks. This is my point: it gives people the opportunity to hear classics they might not otherwise because of their age. That's surely the point of "classics" discs- to let you catch up with the past? From what's been said here it seems like you all just want a bunch of recent and easily-obtainable tracks put on one compilation. I mean, there's four discs to fill.

quote:
Originally posted by trancedanne
well if you could take the chance to eat your hands if it turns out to be bad its pretty much a sign that you wont like this cd even if you did not mean the eat part seriously i hope..

I said if it's comprehensive. Not bad. Again, that doesn't say anything about what I think about ASOT related tracks.

Posted by Durrrtysouth on Jul-20-2006 13:51:

Ok, now you have me confused...because the tunes you just mentioned I consider "standard" trance classics.

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jul-20-2006 14:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Durrrtysouth
Ok, now you have me confused...because the tunes you just mentioned I consider "standard" trance classics.

Yeah. Of course they are. So why not include some other classics from the same era? Some Dance 2 Trance, Hardfloor, Union Jack, Resistance D, Spicelab, Visions of Shiva? Some tracks which are classics, but because they're old a lot of people aren't as familiar with as they would be with Offshore, 1998, Out of the Blue, Communication, Netherworld and so on.

This is what I'm saying. I really hope Armin doesn't bias his tracklist towards the modern era and bypass all this great stuff. However, I doubt it because there's more money in the newer stuff. People are jumping down my throat about my "opinion" of a classic for no reason.

Posted by Luke Cartwright on Jul-20-2006 14:08:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
However, the issue here is not the quality of the music, it's whether or not Armin will have the balls to do a more comprehensive "classics" disc (and this has got fuck all to do with my opinion of a classic- if he's not going to include any tracks from an era then he's not compiling a comprehensive disc) instead of playing it safe.

There will be 2 major factors when it comes to compiling this CD and it doesn't have anything to do with Armin having the balls to do something at all.

First it depends on what Armin himself considers to be a classic not anyone else�s opinion, be it your definition of era�s of trance or my own it could be considerably different to his.

Most importantly it will come down to licensing issues and whether the artist will give him permission to use their tracks or if labels have gone bust or do not exist anymore to provide permission to use these tracks.

To me you are just talking crap, I can�t believe that a company is putting out a 40 track unmixed CD and there is 6 pages of bullshit and moaning without an official tracklist to even base your criticism on.

I will be looking forward to this and I�m sure it will be a good addition to any dj or easy listener�s collection.

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jul-20-2006 14:18:

Well I said on Page 2 that we should wait and see, but people wouldn't let it lie there.

Posted by Mike_Foyle on Jul-20-2006 14:33:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Actually, this is incorrect. Where have I said that:

A) I won't like this CD.
B) I do not like ASOT related trance by default.

Not just in this thread, but ever? You're very quick to label me the pointless cynic. Believe it or not, I do like modern trance, ie: everything epic and post-epic provided it is done well. Like almost everyone else branded as a "know-it-all" and a cynic, I'm merely exercising standards.

If the tracklist is good I will probably buy this because I'm always looking for unmixed trance on CD. However, the issue here is not the quality of the music, it's whether or not Armin will have the balls to do a more comprehensive "classics" disc (and this has got fuck all to do with my opinion of a classic- if he's not going to include any tracks from an era then he's not compiling a comprehensive disc) instead of playing it safe.

i think you are just trying really hard to come accross as mr fair now. the kind of music you like or the chances of you buying this cd are irrelvant. but lets not get into a big debate, thats what i was trying to avoid by making that big old post. i just think people should think twice before wasting their time and everyone elses by posting provocative posts in every ASOT related topic.

Posted by RebeL9 on Jul-20-2006 15:08:

IF and I'm saying IF Armin get's free hands to include any trance classic we shouldn't underestimate him because he have a good knowledge of what are the earliest and most important trance classics. Remember the first episodes of ASOT where he played tunes such as Capricorn - 20hz, Age of Love, Dark & Long etc.

But I doubt he will include these kind of classics because as the title of the CD says its all about ASOT classics. Which means it will be tunes such as ATRC and any random Armada release.

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