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Posted by EarnYourKeep on Jul-17-2006 19:10:

I've sort of lived this rule with the amount of income I'm currently receiving and think it's fairly acceptable through out a shared lifestyle.

The only time I think it's necessary to share a bank account is when there is a share in responsibilities. Meaning, if you file for a loan (as a married couple), it should be signed by both the husband and the wife thus meaning we are both accountable for this loan. In any way shape or form, if both names are on the loan agreement, both parties are responsible for up to half of what is loaned. Same goes for a mortgage on a house, a stock market investment or any venture capital investments going forward.

At this time, the budgeting of money is ultra important. Even if I (or she) for that matter made a significant amount of money more than the other, I think a joint account would only prove it's usage for these responsibilities that we have both signed for.

Until then, I think keeping independant accounts is fair enough until the decision is made to sign for something in both names. At a later (less risk) date when say a marriage is complete with children, then we can discuss the distribution of finances that should help cover the cost of living expenses and future investments for your children. I'm a huge advocate of saving money for my children right off the bat, meaning at the age of 18, they will have access to money that has aged over the course of their lifetime. The interest rates are outstanding for nominal investments.


Posted by RandomGirl on Jul-17-2006 19:24:

I think all of the money should be put into one account. In my opinion, when you marry someone, you are essentially merging into one entity that is working toward the same end, and therefore, all of what you have, and all of what he has becomes the both of yours. Having seperate accounts insinuates that something belongs solely to one or the other of the couple, and that to me defeats the entire point of marriage.


Posted by Nobody_Special on Jul-17-2006 19:54:

Joint accounts are very very very evil. Don't ask. Bad experiance.


Posted by Ygrene on Jul-17-2006 20:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Theresa
I think all of the money should be put into one account. In my opinion, when you marry someone, you are essentially merging into one entity that is working toward the same end, and therefore, all of what you have, and all of what he has becomes the both of yours. Having seperate accounts insinuates that something belongs solely to one or the other of the couple, and that to me defeats the entire point of marriage.


I dunno, I think everyone has to find their own happy medium. I mean, if I was still buying records, would that be fair to make that purchase out of a joint bank account? Keep in mind that this expense is around $150/month and is nothing more than a hobby.

I know if my wife was buying Hallmark collectible figurines at the rate of $150/month out of *our* money, I'd be like WTF!!

Since we have separate checking, separate savings, and joint savings....as long as she fulfills her end of the joint account, I don't care what goes on in her individual accounts and vice versa (sometimes, lol)


Posted by RandomGirl on Jul-17-2006 20:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Ygrene
I dunno, I think everyone has to find their own happy medium. I mean, if I was still buying records, would that be fair to make that purchase out of a joint bank account? Keep in mind that this expense is around $150/month and is nothing more than a hobby.

I know if my wife was buying Hallmark collectible figurines at the rate of $150/month out of *our* money, I'd be like WTF!!

Since we have separate checking, separate savings, and joint savings....as long as she fulfills her end of the joint account, I don't care what goes on in her individual accounts and vice versa (sometimes, lol)


Meh. Either way, that $150/mth is being taken away from the collective money used for the both of you.

I think there should obviously be an allowance/mth, and all large purchases above that allowance need to be mutually decided upon. You work for the both of you, not just for yourself. Therefore, the money coming in should be equally available to either partner.


Posted by Ygrene on Jul-17-2006 20:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Theresa
Meh. Either way, that $150/mth is being taken away from the collective money used for the both of you.

I think there should obviously be an allowance/mth, and all large purchases above that allowance need to be mutually decided upon. You work for the both of you, not just for yourself. Therefore, the money coming in should be equally available to either partner.


Agreed. Let's get married.


Posted by RandomGirl on Jul-17-2006 20:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Ygrene
Agreed. Let's get married.



*insert giddy school girl emoticon here*

O0o0o0o0o0ohhh!! Yay!!!

Ms. Theresa Ygrene

Has a nice ring to it


Posted by noikeee on Jul-17-2006 20:28:

personally, me and my right hand share the same bank accounts.


Posted by shaw on Jul-17-2006 20:33:

A: It depends on whether both people are working paying jobs.
B: Make 1 account.
C: Whoever is better at handling all of it, just by skill set alone, takes care of the finances. Keep each other informed (especially for investments), but the paying/budget-setting isn't going to go to the college dropout instead of the Finance major, just because he's male, or just so she can establish equality. That's silly.
D. If both people have jobs, get 1 account and treat the contributions as equal. Whoever makes more makes more. Doesn't get rid of the incentive to make more, but can account for other, non-monetary contributions.


...I'd still want a pre-nup, though. I don't want the decision to stay with someone to have to be based on convenience or financial consequences.


Posted by Zewad on Jul-17-2006 20:37:

i think every angle on this topic has been covered... so ill just repeat what has been said but in my own way...


quote:
Originally posted by Temperate
Seperate accounts are much better, because you never know if you will seperate or divorce.


slylee was right in it being a pessimistic attitude, but one cant be blinded by love... you have to open your eyes and realize what can happen to you if you dont have some sort of individuality

ygrene and all the wise time he's had being married... all of a few months seems to have the best plan with the joint account for all things that need to be paid to sustain life ie. bills, joint savings for the couple and/or future kids or whatever, etc. that is a set amt that you both agree on....and then your own personal account that is whatever is leftover from what you earn to spend korean hookers or garbage pail kids or whatever...

but each relationship is different and has different needs... slylee needs it to be joint so she can have an allowanace.... mrs. ygrene needs her account to by little halmark figurines...

there is no simple answer... the correct answer is what works for you and your spouse..


Posted by klingklang77 on Jul-17-2006 20:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
The way I see it is as follows;

Marriage is meant to be a total and equal partnership. In my view both of those need to be true in order for it to work (or work well anyway). The problem seperate accounts brings is that it inevitably leads to a financial dispairity between the partners. As we all know money is power therefore it follows that a difference in the financial footing of the partners creates a power inbalance. Now this can be great if you happen to be the one with more power, however, if one has more power then their partner the "equal" partnership simply doesn't exist. No one should ever have the upper hand in a marriage.... there should be no hands.


i agree with you. i also think it is just easier to have shared accounts. right now, between me and my husband, we have like 6 accounts (we have so many b/c of 2 different countries). it is kind of confusing, and the shared account is a lot easier. i think it is a personal preference, but if you can make it work between 2 different accounts, then fine, but it confuses me.


Posted by Fast Turtle on Jul-17-2006 20:40:

Right now we have a joint account with one checking and one savings. Once I'm done with immigration and can get a job up here, I plan to open another checking account, and then from there we plan to pool a savings account as a certain percentage of our wages.


Posted by igottaknow on Jul-17-2006 20:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Theresa
In my opinion, when you marry someone, you are essentially merging into one entity

the borg? you must be assimilated get away from me bitch i'm my own man and you aint tellin me how to spend my cheeese.


Posted by Zewad on Jul-17-2006 20:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Inconspicuous
...I'd still want a pre-nup, though. .


if you think you are currently worth enough at the beginning of the marriage that you might be worried she'll take if you divorce,... if not b/c most of us here on TA now i wouldnt think are the multi-millionaires that would require said pre-nup..


Posted by noikeee on Jul-17-2006 20:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Theresa
In my opinion, when you marry someone, you are essentially signing a piece of paper.


fixed


Posted by shaw on Jul-17-2006 20:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Zewad
if you think you are currently worth enough at the beginning of the marriage that you might be worried she'll take if you divorce,... if not b/c most of us here on TA now i wouldnt think are the multi-millionaires that would require said pre-nup..


Wouldn't now, but plan to at some point.

EDIT: Besides, that's not really what I meant. Even if it's gonna save me $50,000 (or $500,000, or $50,000,000), I don't want money to play into any decision as to whether or not to stay with someone. If it's not working, I don't want to think, "well, I really don't love her at all any more, but it's gonna cost me $100,000...I guess I can stick it out for a while."


Posted by RandomGirl on Jul-17-2006 21:01:

quote:
Originally posted by paranoik0
fixed


True, but that isn't what marriage symbolizes to me.


Posted by igottaknow on Jul-17-2006 21:12:

quote:
Originally posted by Theresa
True, but that isn't what marriage symbolizes to me.

what? little pink hearts, rainbows, and unicorns?


Posted by asfdz on Jul-17-2006 21:23:

keep everything separate.
weigh the pros and cons btwn separate or joint accounts and you'll see.
think in terms of if u split, and if you don't think in those terms, that's just being in denial and dumb.


Posted by RandomGirl on Jul-17-2006 21:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Azia
keep everything separate.
weigh the pros and cons btwn separate or joint accounts and you'll see.
think in terms of if u split, and if you don't think in those terms, that's just being in denial and dumb.


Isn't it kind of stupid to plan for divorce? If you think you're going to get divorced, why get married at all?

You're already setting the marriage up for failure by assuming that it wont work out.

No wonder the divorce rate is through the roof.


Posted by RandomGirl on Jul-17-2006 21:29:

quote:
Originally posted by igottaknow
what? little pink hearts, rainbows, and unicorns?


Exactly.


Posted by klingklang77 on Jul-17-2006 21:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Azia
keep everything separate.
weigh the pros and cons btwn separate or joint accounts and you'll see.
think in terms of if u split, and if you don't think in those terms, that's just being in denial and dumb.


having a separate account isnt going to really help out in a divorce. if you own a house and other assets then you have to split that too. then you have to pay lawyers and other fees. a bank account wont matter in the long run really.


Posted by Slylee on Jul-17-2006 22:14:

the whole attitude like, "well if u get divorced, then bla bla bla" so non-challantly, like it's more of a "when" and not "if" is disturbing to me. no wonder the divorce rate is so high. it's sad.


Posted by shaw on Jul-17-2006 22:18:

It's still afact though. I'd rather be prepared for it & then not have to deal with that than not think about it and get slapped in the face by it.


Posted by Slylee on Jul-17-2006 22:46:

sorta like Clarance Worley's mentality in True Romance.


It's better to have a gun and not need it, than to not have a gun and need it.


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